6 Week Cure ???

[mcsblues]

Originally Posted by Roadstr

Sure, np, here is the link.

We seem to have a rather different ideas on what constitutes evidence. If a book and a brief chat with a talk show host who is getting a cut (she wrote the foreword!) constituted evidence, then every half baked, money grabbing, dietary lunacy is based on solid science

Specifically, what tests have you had done/can you have done to determine whether you have been "alkalized" or not? What scientific evidence is there which tells you your organs need 'protecting from acid'?

[maxlharris]

First lesson in amateur skepticism:
If it sounds to good to be true, it is.

Application:
Here's a short list of things cured by the Alkalizing diet:
EVERYTHING.

Cancer, obesity, diabetes, MS, heart disease, etc.

A second lesson:
If your major review is by someone who is not skeptical, you cannot trust the interview.

Application:
If the journalist wrote the forward to the book, they won't be critical. It is essential to real journalism that the interviewer treat the subject with some level of skepticism.


If you consider the Ph Diet, it is essentially a low protein, vegan diet, exempting whey. Eat lots of high fiber veggies, eat very little "alkalizing" animal protein or fat. You might read up on what lack of protein does to a body. Or lack of fat. Specifically, lack of fat is the kind of thing that erodes the brain. Where your BS detector resides. Making you more prone to non science like this and the Master Cleanse.

I think a lot of people consider Andrew Weil to be pretty stand up.
http://www.drweil.com/drw/u/QAA98873...te-Health.html

[Roadstr]

The only reason I brought this up is because after few days on the 3+1 whey diet I noticed an increase sense of smell. When one does the Master Cleanse diet (a very alkalizing diet) around day 5-6 the sense of smell is very dramatic. It's too the point of being overbearing at times with some people. Well, I had that same sense of smell increase, not as extreme, but it was there. I have no references for you, just offered another point of view that you can reject or consider. It's a subjective experience and an explanation why increased VAT fat may be targeted.

Anyway, I like all of your positive energy and support.

Thanks!
Be well.

[S Bear]

I have no opinion on alkalizing diets, though what little I have read makes me skeptical.

On the other hand, I'm not at all surprised at your report about a heightened sense of smell on the 3+1 portion of the 6WC.

I and a number of friends have all noted a terrifically heightened sense of smell at the outset of regular low-carb diets.

I think this contributes substantially to my increased satiation from eating low-carb; the smell of everything is so much more intense.

But, like I said, I wouldn't immediately connect it with "alkalizing," especially since when I start up a low-carb WOE I'm downing tons of eggs and milk products (especially cheese), which, according to what little I've heard about alkalizing diets, are "acid-forming foods."

[Roadstr]

If you consider the Ph Diet you are correct. If you consider eating foods that reduce acidity in the body then that's a different story. I certainly don't want to erode my brain. So, you think vegans have eroded brains... Take Sting, his brain probably looks like swiss cheese, eh? But, man what a voice! Anyway, I think some of your statements are like, far out man!
I think the BS detector needs re-calibration when thousands of others experience comes up against what you think the truth is. In that case the truth doesn't set you free, it becomes a box.
No matter, interesting and love the banter.
Wishing you well and healthy.

Originally Posted by maxlharris

If you consider the Ph Diet, it is essentially a low protein, vegan diet, exempting whey. Eat lots of high fiber veggies, eat very little "alkalizing" animal protein or fat. You might read up on what lack of protein does to a body. Or lack of fat. Specifically, lack of fat is the kind of thing that erodes the brain. Where your BS detector resides. Making you more prone to non science like this and the Master Cleanse.

[Roadstr]

Yeh, those foods would not be alkalizing. The reason people take Potassium on the PP diet is to get the alkalizing effects. This in turn prevents side effects of the PP diet. It's because you aren't taking in the alkalizing foods to prevent cramping in the legs that Potassium supplements are recommended.
But, Bear... you are a bit different than others. From what I've read you practice an extreme yoga and are very fit at a lower body fat. Congrats on that, BTW, and that certainly increases your quality of life.
I'm skeptical of everything. Nothing is the perfect fit for everyone for all time. There are some things that work tremendously well that one cannot deny. If it doesn't make money though, there's no study and out come the nay-sayers.

Originally Posted by S Bear

I have no opinion on alkalizing diets, though what little I have read makes me skeptical.

On the other hand, I'm not at all surprised at your report about a heightened sense of smell on the 3+1 portion of the 6WC.

I and a number of friends have all noted a terrifically heightened sense of smell at the outset of regular low-carb diets.

I think this contributes substantially to my increased satiation from eating low-carb; the smell of everything is so much more intense.

But, like I said, I wouldn't immediately connect it with "alkalizing," especially since when I start up a low-carb WOE I'm downing tons of eggs and milk products (especially cheese), which, according to what little I've heard about alkalizing diets, are "acid-forming foods."

[maxlharris]

Uhm, what thousands of others experience is irrelevant to fact when the may not be able to interpret their own experience.

The brain is like 90% fat. So, when I call you a fat-head, I'm not slurring you, I'm just pointing out that your brain (like mine and just about everybody's) are made out of fat. That fat has to get there somehow. As to Sting: Uhm, you might want to reconsider your facts: http://www.ivu.org/people/music/sting.html Sting isn't exactly Ted Nugent, but he eats animals he raises on his farm. Fail, not epic.

PS- If Sting were so smart, he'd've figured out how to make it work with Andy Summer and the Police would still be bigger than U2 (rather than a nostalgia act) and U2 would be #2 band from the 80s and where would Coldplay be without U2 being #1.

As to vegetarians and their brains:
http://bit.ly/8fDAOX
And Dr. Mike's Take:
http://bit.ly/5RKsfx

I know Dr. Mike shared another one, but actually, the Brain Miracle thing that he was pitching for a couple years ago sums it up pretty well. A brain made of fats needs some fats to be maintained. Ditto a body with cell walls made of saturated fats. Unless you're not one of us (human), you got both.

Just for fun:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbwQ0Wy3ljQ

You may look like we do
Talk like we do
But you know how it is

You're not one of us
Not one of us
No you're not one of us

Yours in fun, jest and some knowledge you may find inconvenient.

[maile]

Originally Posted by Roadstr

The reason people take Potassium on the PP diet is to get the alkalizing effects. This in turn prevents side effects of the PP diet.

first I've heard of that. in my experience potassium is recommended on a low carb diet because the body flushes so much out with this woe.

a couple of years ago I did a few months of hcg through a clinic in Canada, the diet is low carb, low fat and low calorie and patients are recieve an RX for quite a bit of potassium. the diet combo depletes the body quite substantially and you end up with muscle cramping.

[S Bear]

Originally Posted by Roadstr

I'm skeptical of everything. Nothing is the perfect fit for everyone for all time. There are some things that work tremendously well that one cannot deny.

I'm with you there. This is all empirical.

I had a friend who was overweight, in the early stages of Type II diabetes, and with horrible blood chemistry. I convinced him to give Atkins Induction a try, and the next time his doctor saw him, the doc said, "I don't approve of this diet in principle, but I'm not going to be so foolish as to argue with your results."

Apparently some people do superbly well on low-fat diets. For some people, the key to health seems to be occasional fasting. Some people seem to do great running marathons, and for some people extreme endurance exercise seems to gradually ruin their health.

I think all kinds of things can work for some people--and different things may work for different people at different times.

One thing Atkins said stuck with me. He said a diet wasn't like a bus, which you got on and off of. He said you should always be on a diet, and even said that if a low-carb diet wasn't working for you, that you might want to try something completely different; that the real danger was in not having any strategy at all.

I recently read a book that mentioned there was some research that suggested the health effects of various foods seemed to be moderated to some extent by whether or not the eater believed the foods were healthy.

If you think it's good for you, then it helps it be good for you. Very interesting, isn't it?

[mcsblues]

Originally Posted by Roadstr

The reason people take Potassium on the PP diet is to get the alkalizing effects.This in turn prevents side effects of the PP diet. It's because you aren't taking in the alkalizing foods to prevent cramping in the legs that Potassium supplements are recommended.

Again this is nonsense. Can you show one low carb author who specifically recommends potassium for this reason?