Reconciling an old Diet with Protien Power

[Seraffa]

I'm literally a walking therapy session here. You'll just have to excuse the mess....please......step this way.....I'm scattered all over the place....and a maid has been called in, too, to help pick up the pieces that have exploded all over the room we're in!!

OK.....call me crazy...but the diet I wound up loving, then hating, after the 1980's, actually had some roots in P.P. success, but the Dr. that wrote the book was advocating that people only had 4 basic body types - and that even the TYPE of meat you were eating at a certain time of day, for example, would help play a role in balancing your endocrine system and losing fat and excess weight. His name was Dr. Abravanel, and the weenie isn't in the USA anymore. He has run from the public eye and retired deep into mainland China -- for reasons known only to himself, because i can't see a true humanitarian refusing contact from people that still want to follow his book these days! But what I'm saying has actually happened, much to my chagrin. I hate a coward. Which is why I'm trying to do something about my weight and stop being a coward about my weight.
I'm trying to move forward.

Anyway - you can still order this book from Amazon and I think some wonderful things about it are true, except when you look at his allotments for whole grain carbs and skim milk - they would put a person who is doing carb reduction WAAAAAY off balance, and I'm trying to redeem some good from his book, because I really was a success "back then" on one of his diets. If I went to the chat board associated with him, people would run me off of there for trying to discuss what I'm discussing with you now!

You see what I am getting at? Here, a Dr. has identified that some people do not do well with a whole lot of red meat as their mainstay, while others will not do well with a lot of white meat as their mainstay, and others will do well as almost true vegans, and others simply have to cut almost all the way back on dairy products, if they are to stop overstimulating the major endocrine glands in their bodies (see A Types, G Types, T types and P types to delve into this.)

I think it does make perfect sense because we can OBSERVE the shapes of peoples bodies as he describes them and say "aha....yes I'm using P.P.
now, but the most dominant gland I had in the womb turned out to be my Thyroid [Adrenals, Pituitary, or Female Gonads], and this has set the framework for what sets me off balance and what does not set me off balance.

Call me schizophrenic, but I feel as if the wisdom of what I used in the past - although not all of what the Dr. advocated back then will work with my insulin resistance - is still of use.

Have you done this with other diets you have used in the past? Does your wisdom carry forward to Protien Power??

[Frank Hagan]

I've tried only three diets ... a low carb, higher protein "diabetic diet" in the 1970s (due to a diagnosis of low blood sugar, or hypoglycemia), then a low fat, higher carb diet in the 1980s due to a high cholesterol reading (it didn't work to solve the cholesterol problem, although I did lose weight.) Even now, I'm on a low carb diet because my regular MD recommended it to solve a specific problem I have (pre-diabetes, high triglycerides and excess weight).

I'm generally not one to try "alternative" diets or "alternative" medicine. I think that a lot of people are helped by chiropractors, but I'm not one of them ... they are like witch doctors to me, and I've never felt better going to one no matter how much they talk about "sublimation" and "energy". I'm the classic "hard sell" on things like diet, because I've seen so many people try diets for a particular type, like the "blood type diet", or try weird diets based on personality traits, etc. And I've seen plenty of people try fad diets like the cabbage soup diet, the ice cream diet, and liquid-food-replacement diets. Some of them ended up in the hospital.

The reason all these diets work for some people is that the people can tolerate them. Some people love the low fat diet, and they thrive on it. I hated it, and it didn't cure my cholesterol problem (even though I got to my "ideal weight" on it). I'm doing well on the low carb diet, my numbers are improving, and I'll stay on this diet as long as it works for me. When I get to my goal weight, I'll remain low carb, but go into maintenance.

The cabbage soup diet works for some people because they get sick of eating cabbage soup, and because the rule is that is all they can have, they just don't eat as much. They lose weight, but its not a diet you can stick with forever. Other diets restrict carbs or fat without telling you that's what they are doing, and you think its because you are on the "baked chicken diet".

Sorry for the long post ... I guess my point is that you don't really have to incorporate everything you've done in the past. If a LC diet works for you, do it. Its not a religion. Its a way of eating.

[maxlharris]

So, once, I got talked into the logic of the Eat Right 4 Your Type diet. Different foods based on your blood type.

It is non-science.

I have dumped it.

Your 80's diet sounds like science on loan from the 1600's, and the "humors" concepts of personality.

I would suggest leaving it in the past.

[maile]

So, once, I got talked into the logic of the Eat Right 4 Your Type diet. Different foods based on your blood type.

It is non-science.

I have dumped it.

Your 80's diet sounds like science on loan from the 1600's, and the "humors" concepts of personality.

I would suggest leaving it in the past.

actually it's more of a "body type" diet, you'll see references to similar diets in body building forums. The basis is eco, endo and meso morphic body shapes taken a step further with the addition of a female shape (Gonad) to fit in all the pear shaped women out there.

I recall the book, think it might be in storage somewhere, but recall it to be a bit more "low fat, low calorie" type diet with specifics to body shape.

@ Seraffa, in this case I would take what worked well for you from the plan (ie if you prefer less beef and more poultry then adapt PP to reflect that) but bring it up to date with the science found in PP.

[maxlharris]

Low fat is not compatible with a ketogenic diet like Protein Power.

There is not really any room for discussion around that point.

It is unsafe. Take a look at the fall out from the Kimkins diet. Very low calorie, low carb, low fat. Not healthy.

[back2me2007]

I'm literally a walking therapy session here. You'll just have to excuse the mess....please......step this way.....I'm scattered all over the place....and a maid has been called in, too, to help pick up the pieces that have exploded all over the room we're in!!

OK.....call me crazy...but the diet I wound up loving, then hating, after the 1980's, actually had some roots in P.P. success, but the Dr. that wrote the book was advocating that people only had 4 basic body types - and that even the TYPE of meat you were eating at a certain time of day, for example, would help play a role in balancing your endocrine system and losing fat and excess weight. His name was Dr. Abravanel, and the weenie isn't in the USA anymore. He has run from the public eye and retired deep into mainland China -- for reasons known only to himself, because i can't see a true humanitarian refusing contact from people that still want to follow his book these days! But what I'm saying has actually happened, much to my chagrin. I hate a coward. Which is why I'm trying to do something about my weight and stop being a coward about my weight.
I'm trying to move forward.

Anyway - you can still order this book from Amazon and I think some wonderful things about it are true, except when you look at his allotments for whole grain carbs and skim milk - they would put a person who is doing carb reduction WAAAAAY off balance, and I'm trying to redeem some good from his book, because I really was a success "back then" on one of his diets. If I went to the chat board associated with him, people would run me off of there for trying to discuss what I'm discussing with you now!

You see what I am getting at? Here, a Dr. has identified that some people do not do well with a whole lot of red meat as their mainstay, while others will not do well with a lot of white meat as their mainstay, and others will do well as almost true vegans, and others simply have to cut almost all the way back on dairy products, if they are to stop overstimulating the major endocrine glands in their bodies (see A Types, G Types, T types and P types to delve into this.)

I think it does make perfect sense because we can OBSERVE the shapes of peoples bodies as he describes them and say "aha....yes I'm using P.P.
now, but the most dominant gland I had in the womb turned out to be my Thyroid [Adrenals, Pituitary, or Female Gonads], and this has set the framework for what sets me off balance and what does not set me off balance.

Call me schizophrenic, but I feel as if the wisdom of what I used in the past - although not all of what the Dr. advocated back then will work with my insulin resistance - is still of use.

Have you done this with other diets you have used in the past? Does your wisdom carry forward to Protien Power??


I was curious after reading this post and decided to snag the book from the library.After doing the test I was a T type. Well besides the skim milk (I HATE milk) the rest of the guidelines for a T type fell right in line with PPLP. For a T type it was a higher fat diet of all 4 types. .

I have to say I found the book very interesting. All the characteristics of a T type were 99% right on. . I had dh do the test for me also as he may see something different than I do. Nope it was exactly the same.

Now would I follow that low calorie of a diet plan? No. However the part on exercise for the T type was right on target also.

I found the book interesting. I figure there is always a possibility of learning something:D

[S Bear]

So, once, I got talked into the logic of the Eat Right 4 Your Type diet. Different foods based on your blood type.

It is non-science.

I have dumped it.

Your 80's diet sounds like science on loan from the 1600's, and the "humors" concepts of personality.

I would suggest leaving it in the past.

Actually, I vastly prefer the four humors to the Eat Right 4 Your Type Diet. At least humoral theory has the charming patina of age, and reaches back into Classical Greek philosophy. (Humoral theory might not be true, but I find it easy to remain, well, sanguine about that fact.)

Mind you, I'm not arguing that humoral theory works. My preferene is purely an aesthetic judgment.

I also prefer crackpot religions whose origins are lost in the dawn of history to crackpot religions made up last week. Give me the Greek gods over Heaven's Gate any day.

[maxlharris]

Actually, I vastly prefer the four humors to the Eat Right 4 Your Type Diet. At least humoral theory has the charming patina of age, and reaches back into Classical Greek philosophy. (Humoral theory might not be true, but I find it easy to remain, well, sanguine about that fact.)

Mind you, I'm not arguing that humoral theory works. My preferene is purely an aesthetic judgment.

Basically, you like the good old snake oil over the new fangled snake oil.