Did I read the Eades were ...

[Sharvo]

... releasing another book this fall? Can't remember where I saw it ... maybe it was an old press release for PPLP.

Sharvo

[Mitra]

It's called, The Six Week Cure for the Middle-Aged Middle (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0307450716?ie=UTF8&tag=proteinpowerc-20&linkCode=as2&camp=1789&creative=9325&creativeASIN=0307450716), which explains as much as I know about its contents. The date currently showing on Amazon is 8th September. I think it was due out earlier, but the publishers postponed the release to avoid clashing with something else.

[Sharvo]

That's a big claim!! I'll be curious how they present it.

Now I've got to go do some menu planning - haven't done that in ages!

btw, nice photos!

Good health,

Sharvo

[Mitra]

I don't know whether the title of the book was picked by the Eadeses. Often it's the publishers who pick titles, not the authors. The contents of the book may be less dramatic than that!

Thanks - re photos :).

[mcsblues]

They also have an earth shattering announcement ... due any day now ... ok, any month now ... well, maybe this year ... still just time to enter the sweep!!:p

[Mitra]

Thank you, Malcolm. How could I have forgotten about the earth shattering ;) ?

[BawdyWench]

Dr. Mike said the title wasn't his idea, and that he doesn't like it -- sounds too much like a fad diet. He said the publisher picks the name. They pick a title that they think will sell books.

Yes, the book will be released on September 8, and the earth-shattering announcement will be on September 1.

Can't wait!

[nova202]

I have already ordered this book. It sounds like it will be about lossing the last ten or 15 lbs quickly

[BawdyWench]

Not really. Wait and read the book. It's really all about losing visceral fat that comes with age. But, there's a TON of other good info there, too. As he says, it's for anyone with a paunch!

I was chosen to be one of his test recruits and got the book early. I just finished my first week. I'm down 5.2 pounds and lots 3 inches off my waist.

Cool.

[SandyHanson]

"Cool" indeed! Can't wait to get my copy!

[Mitra]

Not really. Wait and read the book. It's really all about losing visceral fat that comes with age. But, there's a TON of other good info there, too. As he says, it's for anyone with a paunch!

I was chosen to be one of his test recruits and got the book early. I just finished my first week. I'm down 5.2 pounds and lots 3 inches off my waist.

Cool.

That's very good news, Bawdy - I know how hard you've tried to get that fat to shift!

[BawdyWench]

It's a start! What's great is that I have extra motivation to stick to the plan. After all, the Drs. Eades picked me to be one of their test subjects; I can't let them down!

[Mitra]

It's a start! What's great is that I have extra motivation to stick to the plan. After all, the Drs. Eades picked me to be one of their test subjects; I can't let them down!

I can see that the prospect of having your name and before and after photos used in public would be a powerful motivator to stick to the plan ;). I really hope this works for you - but 3" in the first week sounds pretty promising :).

[BawdyWench]

No "before" pictures were required. Phew!

All they asked for was to keep track of waist and hip measurements, another type of measurement you'll read about in the book, weight, and height. If you had recent lab work done, that was nice but not required. They also wanted to know about illnesses, supplements, meds, etc.

[Frank Hagan]

Not really. Wait and read the book. It's really all about losing visceral fat that comes with age. But, there's a TON of other good info there, too. As he says, it's for anyone with a paunch!

I was chosen to be one of his test recruits and got the book early. I just finished my first week. I'm down 5.2 pounds and lots 3 inches off my waist.

Cool.

I'm jealous! I was rejected for the grand publisher's trial. Now I'll have to watch from the sidelines as you become famous and start to pal around with the likes of Oprah and Jay Leno.

It must have been the dirty limerick!

[BawdyWench]

The limerick!!! That's what I thought, too! Dr. Mike says though they enjoyed it, it wasn't the deciding factor. He says I "fit the profile."

Great. I finally fit a "profile" and it's of an overweight meopausal woman. Sheesh.

I think it was the limerick. That's my story and I'm sticking to it!

[Mitra]

Great. I finally fit a "profile" and it's of an overweight meopausal woman. Sheesh.

:lol: Just what we all wanted to grow up to be :rolleyes:.

[maxlharris]

Great. I finally fit a "profile" and it's of an overweight meopausal woman. Sheesh.

:lol: Just what we all wanted to grow up to be :rolleyes:.

I know that was my dream. Since I was 8 years old, at least.

[gitfiddle]

It was a very good limerick, Bawdy! ;) Whatever got you on board, it was good fortune!

Janet, growing up to be a post-menopausal woman beats the alternative. :suspicious: I guess. Actually, except for the spare tire, I've never been so happy in my life! :)

[laughingW]

Not really. Wait and read the book. It's really all about losing visceral fat that comes with age. But, there's a TON of other good info there, too. As he says, it's for anyone with a paunch!

I was chosen to be one of his test recruits and got the book early. I just finished my first week. I'm down 5.2 pounds and lots 3 inches off my waist.

Cool.Hiya Bawdy, sorry to be coming in late on this one. But I listened to the Eades interview with Moore. I love the Eades but this program sounded more and more quick fix and gimmicky, like the Special K 2 week diet or something. 2 weeks for liver healing? 2 weeks for mostly meat? I know quick fix is not how the Eades operate in general.

So, you are a long-term low carber right? What was different about the 6W program? Did you find your previous program had drifted, or was your body changing?

I understand if this is too intrusive but I was curious.

[Gabriel Guzman]

Although it sounds 'too quick', 2 weeks for liver healing is inline with published results. Of course, it could be 2 weeks on average, which means that for some people it may take 6 weeks. The initial assessment and progress log chart they included in the book seems to be designed to document those changes. I remember that when Protein Power came out, there was skepticism towards their claim that triglyceride levels drop within 6 weeks (actually as it turns out it happens sooner than that but they tested patients every 6 weeks) when the program was followed closely.

When the body is getting exactly what it needs (and understanding how we handle nutrients), I've learned not to be too skeptical of certain claims. Anyway, we're getting ready to start 'The Cure' as they call it and we'll let you know how fast it worked :)

[BawdyWench]

I'm on Day 11 of The Cure. I lot 5.2 pounds the first week, but have been stuck at the same weight since then.

I'm following the plan to the letter, including all the supplements. After my first day I had sent Dr. Mike a food list of what I had eaten (3 shakes, each with 1 tsp Enova, 2 oz coconut milk; 2 shakes also had 1 egg yolk; dinner of 4 oz pork tenderloin, 1/2 apple sauteed in butter, and 1 cup broccoli with butter) and sent him the nutritional counts:

Calories: 1,653
Fat: 79 grams (43% of calories)
ECC: 31 grams (9%)
Protein: 211 grams (51%)

I thought it was high in protein, and I usually don't eat that many carbs.

Here's how Dr. Mike responded:


Really looks pretty good overall--maybe a little weighty in protein, so you might want to go to a scoop and a half instead of two scoops of protein. As to the fat, this isn't really intended to be a 'hi fat' scheme these two weeks; it's designed to be pretty low in calories, which makes the 30 grams of carb in the day doable.

What you've eaten here works out to about 1650 calories a day, which isn't bad. You could, if you like, drop the coconut milk to one ounce, particularly when you add the egg, since it's there mainly as a source of good fat to allow absorption of fat-soluble nutrients and the egg will do the same thing. That alone would drop you to about 1400 calories a day and if you drop the protein a little, then you'll probably be under 1350.

As long as you are not really hungry, those both may be good things to do. So let's see how you do in these first days.


I took that to mean that I should be shooting for cloer to 1350 - 1400 calories a day. I've dropped the protein powder down to 1 scoop per shake and the coconut milk down to 1 ounce per shake, and have an egg yolk only in 1 shake a day.

My counts now are more like this:

Calories: 1344
Fat: 79 grams (53% of calories)
ECC: 20 grams (7%)
Protein: 136 grams (40%)

I'm not sure if I've paused in the weight loss because after losing 5 pounds the first week my body is trying to catch up, or maybe I should increase my calories to more like the first-day levels.

I'll likely just keep doing what I'm doing. I've been low-carbing long enough to know that it's not the day-by-day that counts, it's the week-by-week, month-by-month, and year-by-year.

[laughingW]

Although it sounds 'too quick', 2 weeks for liver healing is inline with published results. Of course, it could be 2 weeks on average, which means that for some people it may take 6 weeks. Thanks Gabe. For some reason I had the idea that healing organs was slow - the liver and pancreas after carb poisoning for example. Or maybe I was extrapolating from my own experience of feeling better (not fast but slow) and feeling like my liver and metabolism is healing. I was pretty far gone too I think.

The more I learn, the less I know.

[laughingW]

Thanks Bawdy. What a gift to Dr Mike (and us) to follow it to the letter. The apple sauteed in butter sounds good, and the broccoli.

Is it helping you figure out what you'll need, to continue having no middle aged middle, when you are done? I don't want one myself. :)

[BawdyWench]

Once in "maintenance," you should do what we've always thought ... plenty of good quality protein, plenty of good quality fat, and easy on the carbs. No secret, just good sense.

He does suggest doing the first 2 weeks and/or the second two weeks on and off during "maintenance" whenever you feel you need a correction. In particular, he suggests doing the first 2 weeks (which cleanses the liver and gives it a break) on a regular basis. Something like once a quarter (at season changes). Sounds like good advice.

[laughingW]

If there is regular correction needed, doesn't that say there is something off in the regular program?

[BawdyWench]

No, not at all. The seasonal thing is for like after vacations, or holidays. He was referring more to the liver "cleanse" part of it -- to take a couple weeks off of coffee, alcohol, etc.

Sorry, I didn't mean to confuse you.

[laughingW]

Ah, got it. thanks again.

[mcsblues]

Although it sounds 'too quick', 2 weeks for liver healing is inline with published results. Of course, it could be 2 weeks on average, which means that for some people it may take 6 weeks. The initial assessment and progress log chart they included in the book seems to be designed to document those changes. I remember that when Protein Power came out, there was skepticism towards their claim that triglyceride levels drop within 6 weeks (actually as it turns out it happens sooner than that but they tested patients every 6 weeks) when the program was followed closely.

When the body is getting exactly what it needs (and understanding how we handle nutrients), I've learned not to be too skeptical of certain claims. Anyway, we're getting ready to start 'The Cure' as they call it and we'll let you know how fast it worked :)

Gabe!

Howdy stranger. Now you can't just sneak in like that ... where's your note? Where's Billie's??:p

Might I suggest as a penance you give us a brief run down as to what it is that is being 'healed' in the liver? You say their are published results so clearly there must be health markers being monitored?

I think this is needed, at least in part because I have just been pouring scorn on one of those programs that for a not inconsiderable amount of money for pills and powders offers to 'cleanse' and 'detox' your liver ... with no science at all to back up these claims - and this is not the PP/Eades/6W way at all ... right?

[BawdyWench]

I'm not Gabe. Will a BawdyWench suffice? ;)

I'll answer your last question. The recommendations in the new book have nothing whatsoever to do with purchased liver cleanses or detox regimens. The liver is cleansed in "The Cure" by staying away from caffeine, alcohol, and certain OTC and prescription meds for 2 weeks. There are also some supplements that are recommended (such as leucine, which is in many protein powders anyway) to boost liver function, but are in no way expensive or out of the ordinary. Regular stuff.

[mcsblues]

Thanks Bawdy, yes I wasn't in any way suggesting the Eades had joined the powder pushing, cleansing and detox merchants, and even before the book arrives I have ... with some trepidation it must be said ... been contemplating the 2 week caffeine and alcohol 'holiday'. But all the same I think some solid science would be nice to provide a bit more separation between 'us' ... and them :slywink: ... and Gabe still has to make amends for his unauthorised absence.:p

[BawdyWench]

Please, don't let me interfere with the punishment! :p

[Gabriel Guzman]

BawdyWench did it just fine.... I didn't mean to confuse or suggest anything else. Mike describes the studies done in animals about how fast rat and mouse fatty livers (actually caused by alcohol or fructose diets) heal when subject to diets that contain a significant amount of saturated fat (usually in the source of protein). And yes, Mike has always said that mice are not little furry humans so studies in mice can't be extrapolated directly to humans. I agree with that, however, the same effect seems to occur in humans with fatty liver. The approach in 'The Cure' seems to be based on that. In their book, an example of how fast these changes took place is in 'Angie's story' (p. 27), in which the nutritional 'cure' for her fatty liver was a 'nearly all meat diet'. There is a list of references at the end of the book; maybe we could tackle some of those here.

During this hiatus, I've collected some interesting articles that might also be interested to discuss them on the board... we'll see...

In the meantime, way to go BawdyWench! :thumbsup:

[SandyHanson]

(such as leucine, which is in many protein powders anyway) . . .

Does this mean that if the protein powder used contains the recommended amount of leucine no further supplementation of that is needed?

[mcsblues]

During this hiatus, I've collected some interesting articles that might also be interested to discuss them on the board...
Looking forward to it:)

[BawdyWench]

Does this mean that if the protein powder used contains the recommended amount of leucine no further supplementation of that is needed?

I would assume that is correct. Why wouldn't it be?

[Roadstr]

You must have gained an awful lot of muscle! Three inches from say a 38" to 35" waist usually translates to 20-30 lbs. Can you tell us what the before and after waist measurements were?

Not really. Wait and read the book. It's really all about losing visceral fat that comes with age. But, there's a TON of other good info there, too. As he says, it's for anyone with a paunch!

I was chosen to be one of his test recruits and got the book early. I just finished my first week. I'm down 5.2 pounds and lots 3 inches off my waist.

Cool.

[BawdyWench]

Nah. Just carb bloat disappearing the first week. I had several all-day conferences at work the week before and friends coming by over the weekend and, since I knew I'd be starting the new program on Tuesday, I probably overindulged a bit.

I haven't lost any more inches this week, and probably won't for a while now. Remember, too, that I have the dreaded "meno-pot" going on. Lots of fluid retention in the area above the belly button. When I stay away from the grains and carbs, the bloat goes down fairly quickly.

[Roadstr]

I see... good for you, sounds like it's working for you even under a busy schedule. Good luck on your progress!

[BawdyWench]

Those three inches were probably an anomoly. This week I haven't lost even a fraction of a pound, and no inches. I actually have 2 more weigh-ins to be exactly two weeks, but it's not looking good.

Plus, I'm getting sick to death of the shakes. Looking forward to some real meat that I can sink my teeth into!

[Roadstr]

One thing that's always worked for me is a session of intense aerobics. Get moving really fast and you will drop the pounds. Depends on how bad you want it because intense means a little discomfort. I have a hard time working intensely, other than first thing in the morning, on a low carb diet. Add the carbs and my body is raring to go... the problem is add the carbs and I don't go I gain fat. LOL!!!
Stick with it, sometimes it takes the body a 3-6 weeks to adjust.

[BawdyWench]

That works for some people. For others, doing intense aerobics increases the appetite so it ends up being moot.

I know it can take time, espcially since I've been low-carbing for more than 10 years.

Tomorrow I start Weeks 3/4 of the plan. Switching up menus and macronutrient ratios. Also increasing caloriess. Meat, meat, glorious meat! CANNOT WAIT!!!

[Frank Hagan]

That works for some people. For others, doing intense aerobics increases the appetite so it ends up being moot.

I know it can take time, espcially since I've been low-carbing for more than 10 years.

Tomorrow I start Weeks 3/4 of the plan. Switching up menus and macronutrient ratios. Also increasing caloriess. Meat, meat, glorious meat! CANNOT WAIT!!!

Are you sure you don't want just one more day of shakes? :D

[BawdyWench]

NOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!

YOU CAN'T MAKE ME!!!!!!!!!!!!

I just want to CHEW something again!!!!!

IS THAT SO WRONG?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

[mcsblues]

... our world-changing project has been slightly delayed through no fault of our own. The new date for revelation has been pushed back from Sept 1 to Sept 15. Sorry. It’s been a real PITA for us, too.

Hate to be the one to point this out but we are halfway through the 16th here ... and you guys aren't that far behind ...

[nougat]

i was wondering about that 'world- changing project' too and this was the only place i found mention of it.....any info anyone?

[Mitra]

Hate to be the one to point this out but we are halfway through the 16th here ... and you guys aren't that far behind ...

I think all of the US is in the 16th now. Luckily I didn't stay up to wait for the big announcement ;).

[BawdyWench]

Nothing on the website yet.

[rainyday]

Guess there was not any earth changing project lol, rainyday

[SandyHanson]

In Dr. Mike's most recent post he says:


I’ll have the meat-eater post up as soon as I’ve got a little consolidated time to finish it.

And the post immediately after the meat-eater post will be the post on our change-the-world project MD and I have been working on for a year and a half.

[rainyday]

thanks for the Inf . I will read the blog again . rainyday

[Frank Hagan]

They also have an earth shattering announcement ... due any day now ... ok, any month now ... well, maybe this year ... still just time to enter the sweep!!:p

Its out today ... a Sous Vide cooker for the home kitchen called the Sous Vide Supreme. See Dr. Mike's blog post (http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/good-eating/sous-vide-supreme/) about it, and the Sous Vide Supreme (http://www.sousvidesupreme.com/) website.

Not sure I could get the family to go along with this, but being able to make luncheon meat out of inexpensive cuts of beef is certainly a plus.

[mcsblues]

Oh no! 'We' guessed months ago!:p

[BawdyWench]

Is this such a good thing? The last thing I need in my kitchen is yet another HUGE contraption taking up counter space.

[mcsblues]

Hardly huge - the blender towers over it - and who has a blender like that these days anyway - get yourself a Bamix - there counter space free!:p

Oh and yes - they are supposed to be good - as Mike says all the top chefs use them these days.

[nc77girl]

Do they really cook in plastic bags?

[mcsblues]

Yes, but at very low temperatures

[nougat]

well it seems very interesting.
however there is no way this will arrive here before many years....
the price tag - whilst very probably worth every penny - isn't exactly pocket friendly for everyone.
it does take up a chunk of kitchen space...
and really in plastic bags?? oh you also have to purchase a vacuum machine which may be a cheap item in usa is not always in other countries...

world shattering it may be - dissappointing it certainly is for me....

[BawdyWench]

I was kind of hoping for a TV show or something, maybe a cooking show. As I said, I don't need another kitchen gadget, no matter how earth-shattering it is and no matter how great top chefs think it is.

I wish them all the luck in the world, though!

[maxlharris]

Lurk mode off:
Couple thoughts:
1- Botulisum. Inherent risk in any process where you keep meat warm for a long period of time.
2- Can do same thing in: a rice cooker (really), some used lab equipment, a decent oven (using a water bath). Have seen people online getting equipment to do Sous-Vide for $50-$99.
3- Infomercial feel. The difficulties of cooking a steak to medium rare or rare are highly overstated by Dr. Mike, along the lines of a patient with palsy being used to demonstrate the old way of doing things in an infomercial.

I am tempted by the gleaming new gadget. But then my logic kicks in.

Lurk mode back on.

[gitfiddle]

Lurk mode off: Nice to see you, Max!

3- Infomercial feel. The difficulties of cooking a steak to medium rare or rare are highly overstated by Dr. Mike, along the lines of a patient with palsy being used to demonstrate the old way of doing things in an infomercial.
My thought too. Perhaps it's because I'm not into perfect steaks. I appreciate them, but I can eat anything. ;)

[Frank Hagan]

There are several kitchen appliances I don't have, as we try to keep clutter to a minimum. I slice roast beef with a thing called a "knife" rather than buying a kitchen slicer even though I know a slicer would be much more efficient and result in better (thinner) slices. We have a blender/processor, but its up in the high cabinet and rarely used. I use that same tool called a "knife" for chopping and dicing. So I don't think I'm the target audience for the new appliance.

That being said, I often walk into and wonder about all those kitchen gadgets in the stores that cater to home cooks. They must sell, or they wouldn't be there. And the Eades' story, that they fell in love with the method of cooking and then couldn't find an easy to use appliance at home, is compelling.

I'll bet every kitchen that has a slicer and a food processor also has a knife. "Utility" is not the reason we buy things. Convenience often is, and it looks like this makes this particular method of cooking easy. I can see my brother and sister in law, who love to cook, getting one of these and torturing us with their culinary test runs.

Sales will depend on the price. If its less than $500, they have a market. If its between $500 and $1,000, its a much smaller market and over that, its a miniscule market.

[mcsblues]

My thought too. Perhaps it's because I'm not into perfect steaks. I appreciate them, but I can eat anything. ;)

There is a lot more to sous vide than just steak.