June 8th - Taming the Monster [Archive]

Anniesnan

06-08-2009, 04:46 AM

"The foods we eat exert a profound influence on what happens within our bodies hormonally-both for good and for bad." Protein Power Part 1, Chapter 1

I saw no one started a thread, but I needed a little inspiration and my original PP book was handy.

It is a simple statement, easy to remember, easy (for me) to relate to - I know how crappy I feel if I over indulge in carbs, how good I feel when I'm following the plan and yet ... so hard sometimes to face down temptation.

Yesterday I did so-so, today, I am going to do better.
Already did my "extra" exercise and had a large glass of water.

I'm off to conquer the rest of my day:D

Mitra

06-08-2009, 06:02 AM

Thank you for getting us started today, Agnes. As you say, that's a very simple but effective reminder of why we're doing this. Just the thing to keep me on the straight and narrow while I work out what to have for lunch :).

Belfrybat

06-08-2009, 06:36 AM

Another week and another chance to "do this right". I know the week officially started yesterday but I worked for so long that I still think of Monday as the start of a new week.

I finished mowing the front of the property last evening so have another truckload of grass clippings to take to the new property. But I'm out of sawdust so will have to wait to start another raised bed. I sure hope this lasagna gardening method works as it's a lot of work.

Food is planned: protein shake for brekkie, left over brisket, veggie casserole, and salad from yesterday's potluck for lunch, and perhaps the same for supper. I'm going to lay off the nuts, wine, and chocolate for a couple of days as I'm up a few pounds. I'm making a trip out of town next week and when I get back I'm going to go back on Intervention level to see if I can't get this yo-yo syndrome under better control.

Have a great day, everyone. :)

LulaZula

06-08-2009, 08:10 AM

Morning,
I repeated the pattern of 'perfect day, sinful night' again this weekend. I should follow suit and 'not dwell' although I'm one to dwell and get hard on myself for it...

I'm going to IF this week as much as I can. I have a light work load and more control of my daytime schedule than last week, which I hope will help, as well as no external lunches planned. DH gets back in town Wednesday, and on Thursday we'll go on a 'date' to dinner and maybe a movie. On Friday we are invited to our friends' house for dinner. Those are potential risks, carbage wise. But of course the plan is to stay on plan.

I plan to get 5 workouts in this week.

There. Now I'll enjoy my breakfast of coffee. I may have a shake after I work out, later.

good day!

Ammy

06-08-2009, 09:16 AM

It's so funny you should note that quote this morning.

I was driving through the construction to work to day and some idiot barrelled past me (not following the crowd, being dangerous) and I started honking and swearing and really laying into the guy. The traffic stopped and he had to slam on his brakes so he didn't hit the guy in front of him which means I had to slam on my brakes (it has rained steady for three days) and I was sliding for TOOOoo long. NO, I didn't hit the guy, but it made me pause.
I'm not usually a very aggressive driver, and although I have been known to swear and flip fingers, it's usually very justified and done from a distance. This was VERY close and VERY much an overeaction. Something that made a dangerous situation even MORE dangerous.

All this, the morning after eating off plan ALL WEEKEND....:rolleyes:.

But I need to get back in gear. I'm tired of coming back on Mondays and saying...here I am, then fading by Thursday and COMPLETELY gone by Saturday. Then back on Monday "swearing" I'm going to be back on plan.

GF asked me last night why I'm eating...I couldn't tell her it was financial insecurity, that and just because I can...:frown:.
Oh, did I mention I'm a food addict???????

Anyway. I have a plan today. I am only thinking about today. And today I have a plan!

8am cauli-turkey casserole, diet v8 juice, lc scone
11:30am lc lasagna, 5 asparagus spears
3pm 2 deviled eggs, iced coffee
6pm broiled chicken (no coating), 2oz dreamfields with butter/parm, 1cup green beans

Pro: 146.6
Ecc: 33.3
Fat: 136.2
Cal: 1914

I'm really going to work on keeping my food so my fat and protein are even. Even if that means my calories are higher. I really think it makes a HUGE difference in my willpower!

maxlharris

06-08-2009, 10:21 AM

For me, the monster is not hunger. It is more boredom.
Extra Time is my nemesis.

Strategies to be discussed in my journal area, when I have time (not bored at the moment).

Morning,
I repeated the pattern of 'perfect day, sinful night' again this weekend. ...

I'm going to IF this week as much as I can.

If the problem is being good all day, then losing control at night, I do not understand why the solution is going to involve not eating all day, then eating larger the normal at night. To me (and I could be wrong, it's been known to happen), this seems like the opposite of a solution. If your problem were hunger, and you thought IF was going to fix that, I suppose. But I don't think your problem is hunger (just as hunger isn't my monster). In which case, I think IF is setting yourself up to feed your problem.

Personally, I think it's WAY better to work the basics as far as they are going to take you before trying the exotic options (like IF, which Dr. Mike has pretty much dumped).

Ammy

06-08-2009, 11:05 AM

gitfiddle

06-08-2009, 11:11 AM

It is a simple statement, easy to remember, easy (for me) to relate to - I know how crappy I feel if I over indulge in carbs, how good I feel when I'm following the plan and yet ... so hard sometimes to face down temptation.
It's a magnificent way to start a Monday, Agnes! Thank you for that thought! And the title!

As you say, that's a very simple but effective reminder of why we're doing this. Just the thing to keep me on the straight and narrow while I work out what to have for lunch :).It's always good to have a reminder, isn't it?

...and when I get back I'm going to go back on Intervention level ...I know that's the best place for me! :nod:

I repeated the pattern of 'perfect day, sinful night' again this weekend. I should follow suit and 'not dwell' although I'm one to dwell and get hard on myself for it...!Keep your eye on the prize, Lula! :)

Anyway. I have a plan today. I am only thinking about today. And today I have a plan!Amy, that's the best way to handle it. One day at a time.

Personally, I think it's WAY better to work the basics as far as they are going to take you before trying the exotic options...I agree. I tend to look for the "magic bullet" as much as anybody, but I need to acquaint myself with the basics on a regular basis. Agnes was inspired this morning!

I'm on a different schedule for the summer, which stretches me between meals. I'm probably going to need to plan a (strict) mid-morning snack as well as a late-afternoon snack just before I go to the gym. I'm very tired of almonds and walnuts, but that's probably going to be one of them.:rolleyes:

Breakfast today was a strawberry protein shake. Lunch was a turkey/sausage/mozzarella cauli bake. Kinda ho-hum; not enough italian seasoning. Dinner will be ham steak and vegetables.

Have a good day!

gitfiddle

06-08-2009, 11:15 AM

It reminds me of The Carbohydrate Addicts Diet (http://www.everydiet.org/diet/carbohydrate-addicts)...what I remember (not exactly what it says, but it's what I did) was "for your third meal, eat whatever you want, but only eat for one hour"...what a fiasco for me, an absolute food addict!!:evil: Oh boy, I can eat a LOT in an hour!!!!! :D Remind me to stay away from that one!

Anniesnan

06-08-2009, 11:16 AM

breakfast great

did my stairs - and did more than usual on top of my extra this morning:)

lunch was chicken

dinner is out - sis' birthday

Martha

06-08-2009, 11:44 AM

But I need to get back in gear. I'm tired of coming back on Mondays and saying...here I am, then fading by Thursday and COMPLETELY gone by Saturday. Then back on Monday "swearing" I'm going to be back on plan.

Then don't. Amy.. I don't know you at all, but you are a great inspiration to many of us and you are on a plan.....It's a different plan than many. In reviewing your posts, your plan is be super conscientious and conservative, M-W so that you are able to do other things over the rest of the week and weekend, at this time in your life. If your ticker is accurate, you are staying within a 5lb range doing what you are doing.
Yes, I know it would be very easy to slip back into old ways, but you aren't. Yes, I can read between the lines in your posts that you would like to lose the last 20, but maybe, now it isn't the time.

If it really is your goal, then maybe we/I can take it on as a challenge to help plan the the other 3 and 1/2 days like it seems you plan, M-Thursday morning/noon. But remember, there isn't any crystal ball that says that making a change, any change is going to bring exactly the results you want. Remember, there is comfort the knowledge of your own personal cause/effect relationship to what you/I did this weekend.

Work, works for me, being home, doesn't.

This is a vacation day for me... and I can't wait to get back to work, can you tell?

I know this is pretty intense, but I hate to "hear" you beating yourself up when clearly, what you are doing, is working...just not exactly the way you want it to:o

Nam

06-08-2009, 11:50 AM

I did really well on the Carb Addict's Diet as far as weight control issues. But it didn't say eat just anything in that dinner hour. It said eat with a balance of protein, carbs, fats. Somehow I didn't read the balanced part and ate all the bad stuff I wanted. I have now changed to more nutritious choices. But to be honest I really miss eating all the junk I wanted to in one hour every day.

maxlharris

06-08-2009, 11:53 AM

But Max, I think for some of us, it's where our brains say we need to go.

I found myself looking up fasting this weekend. I KNOW fasting doesn't work for me...but I was feeling so bloated that I wanted to do the opposite to fix it!
Ate too much on Sunday, not eating anything on Monday.

I agree though...absolutely NOT the right thing to do, if your reasoning is anything like mine.

It reminds me of The Carbohydrate Addicts Diet (http://www.everydiet.org/diet/carbohydrate-addicts)...what I remember (not exactly what it says, but it's what I did) was "for your third meal, eat whatever you want, but only eat for one hour"...what a fiasco for me, an absolute food addict!!
Here's the thing.
If you have a problem, you need to do something to address that problem, right? Or you can live with the problem. Assuming you want to change, you have to tailor the solution to the problem.

My problem this past week, was general disinterest in eating right. So, I have to address that. When I travel, I tend to lose interest in eating right. So, I have my chance, today, since I'm leaving work in an hour for travel to DC for an overnight. That's 3 meals on the road. Let's see if I can stay motivated for that. If I can't, I'm going to have to develop a system. Maybe a daily reminder of why I care. Maybe something else. But something to tell me why I do this at home and that travel (for anything other than vacation) is a time to care. (And maybe vacation... I might think my body is as smart as my brain, but I suspect it doesn't make fine distinctions, like vacation, work, or family matter).

My general problem, over my whole life, has more to do with getting bored and not knowing what to do with myself. Clearly, I need a go to hobby, fidget, or really, anything to keep my hands to busy to want to graze. I don't think IF would be a good solution for this, but who knows, maybe it would be.

If I were the type of person who eats fine for 2/3rds of the day, and then bonks on the remaining third (which I'm not... Typically, I am fine, or I don't care... occasionally, I will make a mistake, like miscounting something I don't have regularly, but I don't tend to do heavy carbs without being in the wrong mindset all day). If I were that type of person, I dunno that fasting is a good answer. Why?

Well, think about this. 18/6 fast/eat system. Tweak the numbers however you like. But at an 18/6, you are sleeping for 8 of your no eat hours. 10 waking hours of no eat, and 6 of eat. Doesn't this raise the stakes on the part that you are already struggling with? I suppose you could structure it for breakfast and lunch, then skip the dinner, but if you're getting hungry in the evening, or getting antsy for food in the evening, this seems like a bad strategy. Or, you can skip breakfast, eat lunch and dinner. Again, I think it raises stakes on the part you're struggling with.

This isn't a bash on fasting (I have looked at it). I just think you need to tailor solutions to your problems and situations.

maxlharris

06-08-2009, 12:16 PM

Sorry for running on at length, but here's the simple analogy...

Your problem is an animal. Maybe it's a tiger, maybe it's a dolphin, maybe it's a dog. Your solution is how you go about training your animal to do a trick. You might want your animal to roll over. Clearly, there are going to be some similarities in your approach in training an animal, but clearly, if you go about treating a dog like a dolphin, you are probably doing some things that are counterproductive. Some things that are productive, as well, but, ultimately, your training solution has to be tailored to your animal.

LulaZula

06-08-2009, 12:17 PM

This isn't a bash on fasting (I have looked at it). I just think you need to tailor solutions to your problems and situations.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts. They are provocative, in a good way. You raise good points. My main objectives in trying this approach are (1) a faster reversal of damage done by binges; and (2) an exercise in heightened self-awareness and self-control.

While you may be right, and I will keep thinking about it, the one thing that seems to characterize me is 'all-or-nothing' thinking sometimes. Not that I condone that - I think it stinks. But, sometimes having STRICTER rules that are HARD to keep can work for me for a short period. So as a temporary fix, it can (and has) actually work for me.

I've had a protein shake for lunch, and 6 almonds. I'll have eggs for dinner unless I get the energy to go buy ground meat and make meatballs with zucchini noodles. Or I may hold off until tomorrow to make that. We'll see...

laughingW

06-08-2009, 12:34 PM

But Max, I think for some of us, it's where our brains say we need to go.

...what a fiasco for me, an absolute food addict!!
Ammy, you sound so much like how I used to be. You have probably heard me share that I got off the addiction and brain roller coaster with the PnP plan (which calls for more carbs than Protein Power.) I had those impulse control and road rage moments, the good week and the lost weekends, identifying as a "-holic", all that.

You have lost way more than me so take this with a grain of salt.

After doing PnP, my moods were great, no foods called to me, I wasn't falling off any cliffs or facedown into anything. I got the brain chemistry in balance (food affects not just our hormones but our neurotransmitters). They're still in balance and it's wonderful. (Nowadays I don't say I'm in addiction. I will always be carb sensitive, but addiction is a disease end of the continuum and I will never say "I am that", any more).

But! I wasn't losing - no surprise from Eades point of view, too many carbs for me.

What is finally working is, surprisingly enough, Kwasniewski's plan, with the majority of carbs in one meal. So in a way it's like Carb Addicts, because I have like 20 g of starch (even potatoes!!) at lunch. And I have a big salad with just a bit of cheese.

If I ate like your plan I would be a basket case. That much protein, and all the ECC in slow-carb-release veggies, would have me using up serotonin faster than I can make it.

My meals now are:

B = high fat, protein, maybe veg
L = high fat, most of ECC in starch, leafy veg, maybe a teeny protein
D = high fat, protein, leafy veg for sure

Isn't that weird? Like PP except a blob of ECC in the middle. Like Carb Addicts except no junk. Like food combining except fat everywhere.

The Drs. Eades do not agree with the idea of keeping protein down (as recommended by Groves, Rosedale and Kwasniewski). The Eades also use more alcohol than I would which I think compensates in mood for keeping ECC low all day.

But in my vague mental model, I think that extra protein plays into the HPA axis (Schwarzbein also goes into this) keeping me hopped up in the fight-or-flight metabolic pathways that are sugar-based, and that's one way the brain chemistry gets involved. Hence I would get poor impulse control and cravings would be kept alive and well.

SandyHanson

06-08-2009, 01:35 PM

I seem to sense a trend here.

I myself am a bit hungover today - not from alcohol, but from overindulging yesterday. Part of it was planned: a birthday dinner out with hubby, MIL, BIL, Son and his wife. I had a burrito, which included things I normally avoid, but I ate sensibly and only ate half of what was served (and no tortilla chips). But although they weren't told, the staff picked up on clues and figured out that it was my birthday. They brought a plate of churros (they smelled so good). Even then, I only ate one and passed the rest around to others. Then when we got home my MIL brought up a rhubarb pie, and I had a small piece of that. All of that combined to cause a bad night, and am feeling kind of crappy this morning.

One good thing, though. Next time we go to that restaurant I know exactly what I'll order. My son order a fajita dish that looked wonderful. The main part was meat and veggies. I'll just ask them to hold all of the side things - tortillas, beans and rice.

Anyway, I guess I've been staying on plan closely enough that my body doesn't like all the sugar/starch, and is letting me know. And I need to develop a plan for dealing with my MIL's disapproval when I choose not to eat what she serves.

Ammy

06-08-2009, 02:15 PM

LaughingW...I am so glad you found what worked/works for you!
I do know that when I follow the plan, I do not have those rage moments. In ANY part of my life, not just on the road.

I do willingly and accurately call myself an addict. I am VERY senstive to carbs, but I am addicted to certain foods. That is why you'll hear me say I don't eat chocolate of any kind. I am deeply addicted to it. I cannot stop once I start. C.A.N.N.O.T. And my abstinence plan I have to follow.
But reducing my carbs...that is something I SHOULD follow.
For many reasons.
1. Weight loss
2. Mental regularity
3. Intestinal happiness :o
4. Energy
5. Freedom from guilt (I feel such guilt and physical/mental remorse after eating too many carbs).

So, it is the plan for me. But because I'm a food addict, I can't always stick to it. That is the nature of the beast for me...
And although it sucks...Because of dealing with my food addiction, I AM a better happier person, and THAT I wouldn't trade for the world!!

But I LOVE to have these discussions...the "what works for you" scenerios! The Eades give us the guidelines, but YMMV, so as long as you mimic the basics, we get to adjust if/when necessary!
Do you think?

LulaZula

06-08-2009, 04:01 PM

What is finally working is, surprisingly enough, Kwasniewski's plan, with the majority of carbs in one meal. So in a way it's like Carb Addicts, because I have like 20 g of starch (even potatoes!!) at lunch. And I have a big salad with just a bit of cheese.

If I ate like your plan I would be a basket case. That much protein, and all the ECC in slow-carb-release veggies, would have me using up serotonin faster than I can make it.

My meals now are:

B = high fat, protein, maybe veg
L = high fat, most of ECC in starch, leafy veg, maybe a teeny protein
D = high fat, protein, leafy veg for sure
LaughingW, thanks so much for sharing your plan and the way you transformed it to match a low carb scheme. I experience similar symptoms to those you and Amy described. I'm intrigued by what you described, and would love to see an actual food depiction of a typical day... Would you mind posting a menu or 2 or 3 of what you are eating?

Thanks in advance!!

TiF1974

06-08-2009, 04:01 PM

"The foods we eat exert a profound influence on what happens within our bodies hormonally-both for good and for bad." Protein Power Part 1, Chapter 1

Love this. I'm right there with you. This worked before. It will work again. Or, if you ike, I WORKED this plan before and I will WORK it again- it's not the plan, it's ME. I can choose to take care of myself by eating well and exercising (and after reading Taubes I can feel good about giving up miles and miles of slow running and bang out some hard sprints at the track instead!)

BTW I don't know the protocol for posting in the Challenge thread but I just liked the simplicity and honesty of the opening post...if there's something I am supposed to be tracking here (diet or exercise wise) please fill me in.

Mitra

06-08-2009, 04:18 PM

TiF, we don't tend to be very strict - the purpose of the challenge threads is to provide day to day support and encouragement, so those who find it helpful can use them as a place to track the details of their food and exercise, but it isn't compulsory.

For this month (and maybe the rest of the summer) the aim was to keep things simple, and focus your energy where you need it most - sticking to the basics of carb and protein as first priority, or some other aspect if the basics are already well established (the details were in the first thread of the month, but I should probably copy them into a sticky for easier reference). If you want to join in to help you stay on track, you'll be very welcome, but there's no problem with you joining in the discussions without filing any reports :).

laughingW

06-08-2009, 04:54 PM

But because I'm a food addict, I can't always stick to it.

so as long as you mimic the basics, we get to adjust if/when necessary!
Do you think?
But wouldn't you rather heal the addiction itself? It is possible is all I'm sayin. Well at least for me. And I know others who have got out from under, too. Perhaps just semantics. Addiction is just a model to describe things after all.

Mimicing the basics, and the YMMV thing - sadly, my personal plan breaks the rules of every plan out there in some way or another. Except JK I guess. It took a long time for me to get over that. I am such a rule follower, temperamentally. My kids cannot get over it. Waiting for the walk light in Portland for example. Unheard of!

I'm intrigued by what you described, and would love to see an actual food depiction of a typical day... Would you mind posting a menu or 2 or 3 of what you are eating?
Oh gee, okay, watch out it's really boring. Note that I couldn't have done this before the PnP program. I tried and I kept blowing it. But afterward, no problem. I think now that coming slowly back down from the precipice of addiction worked better for me. My brain had time to catch up to my enthusiasm as they say.

I only have 4 hours between breakfast and lunch is why breakfast is small.

Breakfast
2 hot dogs (grass fed if I'm in funds, Hebrew National if not)
half slice of swiss cheese
3 tomato slices

Lunch
20 g fried potatoes
Mixed salad greens
ginger&almonds sauteed in olive oil and butter as a salad dressing

Dinner
4-5 ounces of meat loaf, 2/3 beef, 1/3 pork, grass-finished
1/2 organic avocado

----------------
Breakfast
meat loaf
other half of avocado

Lunch
10 oz Leek and rutabaga/parsnip/potato soup with cream (real "cream of" soup!)
mixed salad greens
oil, vinegar, apple dressing

Dinner
4-5 oz chuck stew meat, braised, grass finished
cup of chopped dark green veg like broccoli or kale
almonds&ginger sauteed in olive oil and butter on the veg

LulaZula

06-08-2009, 05:03 PM

Note that I couldn't have done this before the PnP program. I tried and I kept blowing it. But afterward, no problem. I think now that coming slowly back down from the precipice of addiction worked better for me. My brain had time to catch up to my enthusiasm as they say.
Thanks! So, let me ensure I understand: what you are saying is that you would suggest first following the PnP program (in its higher carb format) to correct the addiction, and THEN (after - how long?) moving to the current format of lower carb, peaked at lunchtime? I have the PnP book from a long long time ago, and I seem to recall a big deal about having the potato at bedtime: is this true, and if so, how are you faring since you don't have carbs before bed or upon rising?

TiF1974

06-08-2009, 05:26 PM

Hey- just FYI to all my fellow food addicts out there-(for whom boredom, stress, sadness, etc. are more likely to initiate a face-down-carbage-blowout than, say, actual hunger...)

a great read on why we eat is Geneen Roth's "If You're Going to Eat at the Refrigerator, Pull Up A Chair"- it's "lighter" than some of her other emotional-eating tomes, and even though she is really anti-diet, it has helped me immensely in getting a handle on binge eating as entertainment, therapy, anger management, and so forth. Plus it's very amusing.

That said, I had a great day today-

sausage-cauli-mozz casserole for lunch
handful of peanuts and some swiss for snack
chicken with salad for dinner- olive oil with a splash of pomegranate dressing on the salad
more water and more water and more water!

(I think getting in my swimsuit after a long hot day teaching was...motivational)

laughingW

06-08-2009, 05:27 PM

Thanks! So, let me ensure I understand: what you are saying is that you would suggest first following the PnP program (in its higher carb format) to correct the addiction,
Thank you so much for asking for clarification.
I wouldn't suggest for you, maybe you could do it better.

I will say, that is what I did, and I like how it worked.

and THEN (after - how long?) moving to the current format of lower carb, peaked at lunchtime?
Maybe 3-4 months? It's smart to get used to feeling good before tweaking yet again for more fat loss. The more stable you are beforehand, the better you handle an experiment that doesn't pan out. I tried a lot of bonehead things. Like reducing starch and fat simultaneously. :( old calorie-head rearing up.

The peaking on carbs in the middle of the day is just the way it feels best for me. It's too much in the morning and feels too heavy at night too.
I'm a morning person if that means anything. It seems to me that maybe the old Carb Addicts had something in the idea of picking one time of day that seemed to work, and sticking with it. I know some IF people who have big dinners and that just doesn't work with my early-ish bedtime.

I have the PnP book from a long long time ago, and I seem to recall a big deal about having the potato at bedtime: is this true, and if so, how are you faring since you don't have carbs before bed or upon rising?
There is a new edition of the book out; I recommend the new one. It has all the learnings after the first 10 years if you're interested.

The potato at bedtime is step 4 on that plan and helps restore serotonin. Yes, that step is still in there.

How am I faring? I do have carbs at morning and evening. Just the veggie kind, not starches.

Well, the other part of step 4 besides just using the potato is, you learn about the income and outgo of serotonin. Once I restored mine to a healthy level, I don't let it get low any more, so I don't need to "restore" serotonin like I did. For me this includes sleep, big time. The potato was temporary for me and I want it that way.
Also I believe now that lots of fat is as good for mental health as the carb hit. I like both.

LulaZula

06-08-2009, 06:16 PM

There is a new edition of the book out; I recommend the new one. It has all the learnings after the first 10 years if you're interested.
Ok. Thanks - I just placed my order on Amazon. We'll check it out! I figure it's worth an experiment if it has a chance of fixing my crazies! :rolleyes:

laughingW

06-08-2009, 06:52 PM

Yes, what the heck! our own experiments! good luck to you.

LulaZula

06-08-2009, 08:45 PM

B: coffee w/hnh
L: protein shake w/coconut milk, 6 almonds, 1/2 cup coffee w/hnh
S: salami and cheese, 6 almonds, 1 tbsp peanuts
D: chinese - sauteed fillet of cod w/pine nuts, szechuan string beans w/garlic and ground pork, scrambled eggs w/chives and shrimp. Asked for "no starch" in the sauces. Ate 1 tsp rice. CarbSmart fudge bar for dessert at home. 1 tsp peanuts, 1/2 cup coffee w/crm.
*noticed that the salty of the chinese made me crave sweet. Then after the fudge bar, I craved salty again... Conquered with those few peanuts, but dangerous cycle has the potential to start, so must watch it in future*

Did not get to exercise today. Got a nice 1 hour massage, though...:cool:

ECC 32
Protein 149.3
Fat 99.2
Cal 1,658

I'm good with that! Good night!

stellar230

06-08-2009, 11:24 PM

Hello all. Back after the weekend. The discussion today was great to read. It makes me feel like I'm not the only one (i do feel down sometimes and like I'm the only one struggling with this) It make it seem less difficult to know that others are doing it too and having the same struggles. Thanks!!
I didn't do to well this weekend. I had all the excuses!! Thanks for sharing Ammy, I feel like that too. It's like enough is enough already!!

Ammy

06-09-2009, 08:25 AM

I'm very happy to report I survived yesterday. The only thing I did that wasn't on plan was ONE tablespoon of broccoli-slaw which I don't know how to record in fitday...

Final counts
Pro: 146.2
Ecc: 32.6
Fat: 134.5
Cal: 1894

gitfiddle

06-09-2009, 10:51 AM

Did not get to exercise today. Got a nice 1 hour massage, though...:cool:
Sounds good to me, Lula!

It make it seem less difficult to know that others are doing it too and having the same struggles. Stellar, everyone has a monster of some kind to tame. ;) I think there are as many ways to do it as there are people! We're all individuals with a common goal, eh?

I'm very happy to report I survived yesterday. The only thing I did that wasn't on plan was ONE tablespoon of broccoli-slaw which I don't know how to record in fitday...Yay for survival! Too bad that Fitday doesn't have software that can interpret tablespoons. It would probably want to know "heaped", "rounded" or "level". :jawDrop: