Successful PP'er returns to the plan

[Improper_Username]

A long time ago, in need of losing post-pregnancy fat, I purchased a copy of Michael Eades' 'Thin So Fast'.

What appealed to me then was the idea that you could simply commit to losing the pounds, and get it over with, at the rate of 5 pounds per week.

I was very successful with the diet and went from close to 200 pounds down to 125. I am 5-9. 125 was really a little too thin, but I was also jogging 50 miles a week at that time. After I stopped jogging and took up other types of excercise, my weight settled at 135 which I was content with.

Then the years passed and I went through middle age and then menopause, and here I am at 51 and too fat again. While getting ready to go to a horse show on Sunday, I had to try on several pairs of jeans to find a pair that I could fit into. I decided, "enough of this!"

I found my old copy of 'Thin So Fast' and went shopping for the shake ingredients.

I also was curious to know if Dr. Eades had written any other books, so I went to Amazon and ordered 'Protein Power' and the exercise book. Like the 'Thin So Fast' diet, the exercise book appeals to me because I can make a commitment and just get it over with without having to think about it too much.

Then I googled and was delighted to find this forum. :)

I have a very busy lifestyle. I have lots of interests and I stay active all day long. I ride and train several horses a day and clean stalls, stack feed, etc. I would do more if my body would let me. I have a lot of enthusiasm and excitement about life.

I'm not the bubbly type, though. I've struggled with fibromyalgia my whole life (from when there was no diagnoses for it) and I also have osteoarthritis. I move slow, but I keep at it!

I started the TSF diet yesterday and overnight, lost 2 pounds. I can see the difference in my face already.

I'm very happy to have found this forum. It will be terrific to have online buddies in the same or similar diet programs while getting fit this time!

[Billie]

Welcome aboard! There are many books by the Eades, Protein Power, Protein Power Life Plan probably are the two basic if you will.

There's alot of knowledge here, caring and support, join us often!

[SherryJ]

Hm-mmmm.... when you're comfortable with us, would there be another name that we could call you instead of... "improper"? ;)

WELCOME! So glad you found us...

I was surprised to find you described yourself as "not the bubbly type", as that's how you SOUNDED in several instance! Well, whatever "type" you are, we'll take ya! :p

Join in anywhere, any time, and we'll help in whatever way we can! :)

Sherry

[Missy]

Hi Improper! ....lol....I'd really like to hear the story behind that name! lol

Welcome to our board, I'm glad you found us!!! :) I just love the fact that there are so many "newbies" that are really just people returning to this woe because they had found success with it the first time. I'm a brand new newbie to this plan...and I'm very encouraged by hearing about others experiences!!

I just ordered "Thin so fast" and their "Comfort Food recipe book"....but I find PP and PPLP most valuable. Pretty soon though, I'll have them "all". :D

[Improper_Username]

Hi Improper! ....lol....I'd really like to hear the story behind that name! lol



Thanks for the welcome, folks! :)

There is an ASP coders' forum I sometimes post on that allows unregistered users to post. However, its post submission form checker always demands that "You must include a Proper Username."

For awhile, I used "Proper Username" until I decided that "Improper Username" is funnier. :D

I see how Missy signed her post with dates and weights. That's a nice idea and I think I'll mimic it.

[Shadow]

Welcome, Lil! Just jump right in and join us - we're always ready to hear success stories :D!

[Belfrybat]

Welcome, Lil. I was on Thin so Fast many years ago and lost well. I still occasionally will go back on it for a time of recovery after a time of excess. Actually I've been thinking about doing it again since I am really struggling with staying faithful. It's nice not to have choices at least for a few weeks. I know some of the information in the book is now outdated, but I think it's still a viable option for folks who need to see fast results. I hope you might consider transitioning to PP or PPLP after you've lost a fair amount of weight as it seems to me the Eades have grown in their understanding of nutrition and exercise and the newer books reflect that growth. They also have a more gradual transition than Thin so Fast.

[Viking Dan]

How does This So Fast differ from Protein Power?

[Improper_Username]

How does This So Fast differ from Protein Power?

The focus of Thin So Fast is that one may lose up to 5 pounds per week without feeling deprived or stressed.

The diet consists of 4 shakes a day made with the TSF recipe and one meal a day of 6 oz chicken or beef, 1 cup of luttuce, and 1 cup of low-carb veg such as broccoli or cauliflower.

I like it because of the simplicity and because I make a commitment to lose the weight and just get it over with.

I have ordered a copy of PP and will read it for advice on eating well after the weight loss.

[Viking Dan]

Might I ask what the TSF recipe is?

Is this a PSMF of some kind?


Protein Sparing Modified Fast: A special weight loss program called Protein Sparing Modified Fast was introduced in the late 1970's by Dr. George Blackburn and co-workers at the New England Deaconess Hospital in Boston.37 (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=858966) This program consists of a special low carbohydrate, low fat, high protein diet designed to protect body protein mass while selectively using body fat as an energy source. It is supplemented with extra vitamins, minerals, and electrolytes. A weight loss of between 2 and 3 pounds a week has been observed. Compliance with the diet is problematic due to the unpalatability of the restricted diet. Regaining weight is the rule if the diet is discontinued.

[Belfrybat]

Yes, it's a PSMF but a bit different from some others that were around at the time it was written (1989) and especially different from those in the '70's that folks died from.

The recipe for the shakes is:

1 pkg. dried milk power (or enough to make 1 qt)
4 TBS high quality protein powder (or enough to equal 32 grams protein)
1 tsp. granulated fructose *
1 tsp. Mortons no-salt or other potassium salt substitute

This makes enough for four shakes -- one day's worth. It can be added to water, diet soda, coffee, tea, etc.

*I would imagine Dr. Mike would now recommend not using the fructose due to new information about the dangers of it. I leave it out and use a bit of Stevia instead.

In addition to the four shakes, as Missy wrote, you are to eat a meal of 6 cooked oz of lean meat, 1 cup salad, 1 cup LC veggies.

This provides about 40 ECC a day and 1000 calories. One also must take a high quality multi-vitamin daily, drink an additional 64 oz of non-caloric beverages and exercise 3 - 4 times a week. Interestingly, he recommends aerobic over isometric exercise which definitely dates the program.

He handles transition differently than in Protein Power. A person stays on the PSMF until all or most of their weight is lost, then transitions in three stages:
20 ECC a day for two weeks
40 ECC a day for two weeks
60 ECC a day for two weeks

Maintenance is similar to PP: find the ECC level where you neither gain nor lose, which for most folks will be between 50 and 90 ECC. One difference is Thin so Fast does not stress protein in the later stages as much as PP. My take is he developed TSF, then with more knowledge developed PP and PPLP. But even though some of the information is a bit dated, it's still a very good program for fast safe weight loss.

The book provides suggested menus for each stage and some very good recipes.

[Viking Dan]

So its about 150 grams of protein/day and 4 grams carbs from the fructose. And the other 380 or so calories are from any incidental fat and the salad?

Does he scale these #s based on weight at all?

[LisaS]

how do you get 150g protein?

[Viking Dan]

Whoops. I thought it was 32 grams protien/shake. My bad.

[Belfrybat]

So its about 150 grams of protein/day and 4 grams carbs from the fructose. And the other 380 or so calories are from any incidental fat and the salad?

Does he scale these #s based on weight at all?

No, he doesn't match protein levels and weight, which is one reason the information in the book is dated. He has it broken down as follows:

PSMF: 1000 cal
Protein 40% 400 cal 100 grams
Carb 16% 160 cal 40 grams
Fat 48% 480 cal 53 grams

Figures are rounded off.

[IrishTheresa]

I did the TSF shake plan about 10 years ago and lost 12lbs in 12 days! I was never hungary and enjoyed the shakes. I used lemonade Crystal Light...it came to taste like lemon pie to me! Anyway, I've since lost 70lbs on Weight Watchers, but I am having some problem sticking to my meal plan lately, so I am going to try a week on TSF and see if it motivates me any.