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pete69
04-30-2006, 09:43 PM
I posted this on the blog site as well in response to one of Dr. Eades Q&A that dealt with thyroid issues. I've seen a study say that after adaptions to ketosis (3 weeks) thyroid levels return to normal, i've never seen any data showing this for sure.


It does seem 50g of carbs a day are necessary for proper thyroid function.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=1249190&dopt=Abstract

Effect of caloric restriction and dietary composition of serum T3 and reverse T3 in man.

Spaulding SW, Chopra IJ, Sherwin RS, Lyall SS.

To evaluate the effect of caloric restriction and dietary composition on circulating T3 and rT3 obese subjects were studied after 7-18 days of total fasting and while on randomized hypocaloric diets (800 kcal) in which carbohydrate content was varied to provide from 0 to 100% calories. As anticipated, total fasting resulted in a 53% reduction in serum T3 in association with reciprocal 58% increase in rT3. Subjects receiving the no-carbohydrate hypocaloric diets for two weeks demonstrated a similar 47% decline in serum T3 but there was no significant change in rT3 with time. In contrast, the same subjects receiving isocaloric diets containing at least 50 g of carbohydrate showed no significant changes in either T3 or rT3 concentration. The decline in serum T3 during the no-carbohydrate diet correlated significantly with blood glucose and ketones but there was no correlation with insulin or glucagon. We conclude that dietary carbohydrate is an important regulatory factor in T3 production in man. In contrast, rT3 concentration is not significantly affected by changes in dietary carbohydrate. Our data suggest that the rise in serum rT3 during starvation may be related to more severe caloric restriction than that caused by the 800 kcal diet.

http://www.pubmedcentral.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=371281

http://www.thyroidmanager.org/chapter5/5a-text.htm

(scroll down to starvation and fasting)

Composition of the diet rather than reduction in the total calorie intake seems to determine the occurrence of decreased T3 generation in peripheral tissues during food deprivation. The dietary content of carbohydrate appears to be the key ingredient since as little as 50 g glucose reverses toward normal the fast-induced changes in T3 and rT3.52 Replacement of dietary carbohydrate with fat results in changes typical of starvation.39,53 Refeeding of protein may partially improve the rate of T3 generation, but the protein may be acting as a source of glucose through gluconeogenesis.54

Any comments for those of us who are hypothyroid. Specifically, I am euthyroid stress syndrome, normal TSH, high normal t4, and very low (out of range) t3, suggesting low conversion. I also had low t3 uptake (wrong test for me) but it went along with high estrogen that I had, which might have been binding to thyroid hormone. Another test months later, with cytomel (50mcg) still showed out of range t3, despite normal estrogen. So either I have liver problems (ALT and AST were high normal, but b12 was high, so possible fatty liver) or the low carbs is inhibiting 5'diiodinase enzyme causing low t3.

Missy
05-01-2006, 06:49 AM
I'm hypo, on synthroid and Armour....and I'm noticing that I'm having to adjust my medication since on this program. I feel very "hyped" up mentally...and can't sleep. :rolleyes: I'm very curious about what you just wrote, and I'll look into those links as well. I have to pace myself, so it seems, to compute all of these messages. :rolleyes:

I'll be interested in what others think experience too!

Viking Dan
05-01-2006, 08:30 AM
It does seem 50g of carbs a day are necessary for proper thyroid function.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=1249190&dopt=Abstract

Effect of caloric restriction and dietary composition of serum T3 and reverse T3 in man.


In Life Without Bread they reccomend 72 grams/day as the ideal amount. I'm kind of fuzzy on how they arrived at that figure, but this seems to support that somewhat.

Belfrybat
05-01-2006, 09:26 PM
In Life Without Bread they reccomend 72 grams/day as the ideal amount. I'm kind of fuzzy on how they arrived at that figure, but this seems to support that somewhat.

According to the book, before the advent of insulin, the only way diabetics could manage their disease was by limiting carbs to 72 grams or under per day.

Gopherhead
05-31-2006, 08:52 AM
Any comments for those of us who are hypothyroid. Specifically, I am euthyroid stress syndrome, normal TSH, high normal t4, and very low (out of range) t3, suggesting low conversion. I also had low t3 uptake (wrong test for me) but it went along with high estrogen that I had, which might have been binding to thyroid hormone. Another test months later, with cytomel (50mcg) still showed out of range t3, despite normal estrogen. So either I have liver problems (ALT and AST were high normal, but b12 was high, so possible fatty liver) or the low carbs is inhibiting 5'diiodinase enzyme causing low t3.

Hi Pete. Have you ever had your cortisol / aldosterone levels checked? Do you have abnormally low BP?

If you were on Cytomel you shouldn't be having conversion problems; it's absorbed directly as free T3. Perhaps you were not on enough?

pete69
06-11-2006, 07:59 AM
Gopherhead, sorry for the delayed response. Havent been here in a while. Yes, my adrenal function seems to be shot. AM cortisol test showed very low (out of normal range) cortisol, and a DHEA-S blood test also showed out of range low levels.

Paleowoman
06-12-2006, 05:03 PM
According to the book, before the advent of insulin, the only way diabetics could manage their disease was by limiting carbs to 72 grams or under per day.

The book uses 72 grams as the starting point but goes on to say that you can then gradually go lower. If one gets results with 72 (way too much for me) then he or she obviously wouldn't go lower.