So even a little bit of rice (2 tablespoons) would block glucagon fat-burning???

[RedTerror]

Hello all, i know that most of us doing the High protein, low carb diets are carbohydrate-sensitive and insulin-resistant, which means that even a little bit of carbs would increase insulin production in us. My question is related to white-rice. I know that rice is a high glycemic index carb, but i would like to know if it's ok to eat even a little bit like 2 tablesppons of cooke rice in my lunch would increase insulin levels too much and decrease the amount of glucagon we produce?


redterror

[maxlharris]

Too much? That's really only a question you can answer through experimentation on yourself, Red.

Personally, I could probably tolerate 2TBSP of white rice.

OTOH: Since I hold that white rice is a fairly low nutrient density food with not much redeeming value, I wouldn't see if I could tolerate it in the first place.

I have a new take on the "white foods" rice, pasta and potatoes. They are beloved because of the things we add to them. Think on your favorite way of eating potatoes. Baked? Is the baked potato good without your favorite combination of salt, butter, sour cream, bacon, cheddar, chili, chives, et al? For me, no. How about mashed? Are regular steamed then mashed potatoes that good without the cream, sour cream, butter, garlic, peppers, cheese or whatever else you use to make them creamy and tasty. I have examined this question and for me, the answer is no. My wife, when presented with this theory asked about fries. And really, it's the oil, the frying, (for others, the ketchup or mayonnaise), the salt, the paprika (best thing on fries), the garlic (even better than paprika) oh and the salt. And sometimes the breading. Wife remained unconvinced, but let me have the day.

On the rice, I love me some fine arborio rice made into a risotto with whatever we're doing at this moment. But it's the stock and additives that take this grain and make it good.

At any rate, if you are pursuing a protein powered existence, you might be asking the wrong questions. Instead of "(Is it) ok to eat even a little bit like 2 tablesppons of cooke rice in my lunch would increase insulin levels too much and decrease the amount of glucagon we produce?" you might want to ask, "Given that rice is a high GI carb, with not much actual nutritive value and next to no flavor, why would I both eating even 2 TBSP of it?"

Just trying to give you some perspective here.

[Mal Lady]

I'm with Max. Why would you want to eat just 2 TBSP. ? Doesn't make much sense? Then, why ask it again in a different thread?

JMHO!:confused:

Sharon

[RedTerror]

thanx for answering, i have another question: How much meat (chicken, beef, turkey, fish, tuna, etc.) can we eat in each meal? Because since my carbohydrates are so low in my lunch. I have increased the amount of chicken i eat from 7.5 oz to 9 oz.

Do u guys think 9 oz of baked-chicken for a lunch is ok? or is it too much protein per meal?

thanx


redterror

[LisaS]

why did you do that? What does low carb have to do with increasing chicken consumption?
Were you trying for more calories or more volume or what?

[maxlharris]

thanx for answering, i have another question: How much meat (chicken, beef, turkey, fish, tuna, etc.) can we eat in each meal? Because since my carbohydrates are so low in my lunch. I have increased the amount of chicken i eat from 7.5 oz to 9 oz.

Do u guys think 9 oz of baked-chicken for a lunch is ok? or is it too much protein per meal?

thanx


redterror

Try this:
Eat until satisfied, not stuffed.
Take a daily multivitamin.
Exercise.
Drink Water.
And follow the program as written (it's basically written to the above four things, except that you should always get more than your minimum protein per meal).

It's a lot easier to try the basic program, as written, for about a month, see how it's going, then start to design your own. You get a lot of knowledge from actually working the program as written.

[Gr82bthin]

I had some sushi for lunch which contained about 2 Tbsp. on rice. It was good and did not spike my blood sugar level. I know that is about how much I can eat without a reaction. I stay within that level and I'm happy. I get to eat sushi and my body doesn't explode.

[Gaelen]

Hello all, i know that most of us doing the High protein, low carb diets are carbohydrate-sensitive and insulin-resistant, which means that even a little bit of carbs would increase insulin production in us. My question is related to white-rice. I know that rice is a high glycemic index carb, but i would like to know if it's ok to eat even a little bit like 2 tablesppons of cooke rice in my lunch would increase insulin levels too much and decrease the amount of glucagon we produce?

Hi, RedTerror. In addition to the excellent advice you've received, a few other thoughts...


This is NOT a 'high protein' diet. It's an adequate protein diet, since most American menus are woefully short of good protein.
The glycemic index is generally considered scientifically meaningless. Glycemic load is slightly more reliable an indicator, but glycemic index has too many variables to be reliable.
On Protein Power at it's most basic level, you can eat anything in Protein Power appropriate servings. Nothing is forbidden, although the Drs. Eades recommend avoiding transfats and high fructose corn syrup and certain artificial sweeteners. So if you want 2tbsp of rice (white, brown, yellow, red or wild) and it fits within your per meal and per day ECC guidelines, go for it.
I like the sushi example. I love sushi. If having a few pieces of sushi, some of which included around 2T of white rice, would keep me on plan, then I'd have the sushi, count the rice, and cut carb corners elsewhere.


That would work for me, but mileage will vary. And I completely agree with Max's recommendation that you follow the plan, as written, for at least a month to find out what works (and doesn't work) for you BEFORE you start experimenting. You gotta understand the rules before you start messin' with 'em.

[OutdoorGuy]

I had some sushi for lunch which contained about 2 Tbsp. on rice. It was good and did not spike my blood sugar level. I know that is about how much I can eat without a reaction. I stay within that level and I'm happy. I get to eat sushi and my body doesn't explode.

I love Japanese food - but now when I get that craving for it I'll order sashimi - - same beautiful strips of fish but without the rice. I'll just order some veggies to go with it.

I did the Zone (Barry Sears) and lost a lot of fat with it. But for me even the modest levels of carbs in that program - (especially when compared to the usual American diet) seemed to make me hungry and thinking about the next snack or meal. And this was sticking to healthy choices as outlined in that program, not junk food. Of course, it was much, much worse years ago when I was on one of the popular low fat/high carb diets. I was constantly feeling famished on that. - - I've only been doing PPLP for a few days and I find that its sometimes hard to get all the food in ! For me, at this very early stage it seems that I do better with the lower carbs of the Protein Power approach. Guess it takes some individual testing to see what works for you. Regards, - -