Freaky Friday!! March 28th

[Ammy]

Good morning!!
I have just gotten to work and am watching the video Max posted in another thread, about the woman who eats 33,000 calories a day. That is the thing that is stopping me from eating the leftover scones from yesterday...
Yikes...how sad...

Anyway...I'm alone this weekend, GF went off skiing, so it will be challenging for me not to overdo it! ARGH...
I am very busy on Saturday, meeting, 4hr conference, then supper and dancing, so I should be fine tomorrow. It's tonight and Sunday that I must be careful with what I eat!

Today things are planned...
7am 2eggs, 3.5oz turkey taco meat, 2tbsp s.cream, 1oz cream
10:30 6 slice salami
workout
12:30am lc goulash, 2 pickles
5pm double burger, no bun, mayo, salad with ranch
2 popsicles at some point

Pro: 116
Ecc: 29
Fat: 118
Cal: 1642

[Karole]

Yep, 33,000 calories a day would be a little excessive for a few of us !!
I just can't imagine anyone eating that many calories, can you. Wow.:eek:

I have no plans for the day, will just have to do my regular house work and see what develops . How is that for "unplanning" !! I am retired so I do tend to do things sort of casually.:)

A thunderstorm swept by last night and dropped our temps here. We had almost 80 yesterday, but it is supposed to be a lot cooler today. If we get to see the sun I don't care if it stays on the cool side for a bit.

I need to get with it-- the bed just won't make itself for some reason. :confused:

See ya later-- and Ammy, stay away from those scones--think of them as dry, tasteless, moldy and icky all day. Ugh.:eek::jawDrop::eek:

[Lucille]

Amy I will have to go see that!
I cleaned out my fridge from those items that tempt me, I even threw out my Aunt Jemima syrup, sob sob,
but I dont want to stay fat, or get fatter. I have a goal to lose at least 100 lbs. but for a short goal, I am aiming for 20. :)
this morning I have lost 9 lbs. it has taken me a while to do it, but I am happy. love what i am eating...and remind myself how unhappy I was eating sweets and bread.
yesterday I cooked a turkey, i got half the meat frozen now, the other half am making plans for the next few days meals.
and this morning I got up early and walked 25 min! my poor knees, but I am gonna keep moving. Hey, I am dancin around to my 50s/60s cds, no one can see me dancin to the TWIST! lol
oh those were the days, when I was a young teen and weighed 90 lbs.

[Rhyme'n Reason]

I checked out the video. When I see that, I am reminded that I was on that path at one time. Don't plan to go there again.

I am still dealing with my scale being stuck. I have stayed within a five pound range for the last month and I'm getting tired of it. I know my carbs and protein are fine--just not sure if I need to change things up to get my body moving or what.

Breakfast--protein shake
Lunch--wrap with hamburger and pizza topping
Supper--not sure; probably going out with a friend
Snack--LC cranberry cheesecake

Have a good day!

[Ammy]

I don't ever remember weighing 90lbs...ever...I think I skipped over it :rolleyes:.

So far, no desire for scones (thanks Max). I have a business meeting this am, I'm prepared, so now I'm just kind of hangin til it happens. I love my job.

It's sunny here...26 degrees, but going up to 44!! WOOHOO!! I'm wearing jersey-sleeves right now, but may have to put on a sweater for the rest of the morning BBrrrrrrrrr.

Come on everybody...up and at'em...check in for the day, tell us what's up with you, your food, your exercise, your day!

[gitfiddle]

Good morning! Bright and sunny, but ice on the cars and the roads this morning. It'll be 40F by noon, supposedly. Michigan weather can be very weird.

Amy, those scones are STALE and dry and you deserve a much better snack than that. How about a cheese omelet?

Lucille, easy on the knees! Just kidding, but mine have issues and your post made them cringe. One of my favorite forms of exercise was "dancing in the kitchen" with rock music on the headphones. I never could do the Twist without falling over! :D

I can't believe it's Friday already! What a fast week! I have a music party tonight, so I need to get together an easy snack to take along. I will have an hour from the time I leave the gym to shower and get there. Most often they bring sweets, so I might just grab a tub of cheese spread and a box of flax crackers.

Have a good day, everyone!

[Mal Lady]

Hi all!

Sunny and soggy here, cold too. I hate it when the weather can't make up its' mind. 50 degrees sunny - 30 degrees rainy - then, sunny and 30 degrees. I WANT SPRING!!!!! :( At least it is suppose to warm up by the end of the week.

BF: eggs, bacon, fruit w/ whipped cream
Lunch: pulled pork, cottage cheese
Dinner: goulash w/ dreamfields elbows

This is what I have planned for meals today - but, most of the time, things change. I am going through a time when meals are so hard to plan - and it's just me being lazy. :o I guess I am just sort of in a rut. Scale hasn't moved in over 3 weeks and I just feel the "blahs".:confused: It must be spring fever. I hope I shake this feeling pretty soon. I just feel like I'm is such a slump right now. I hope I can discipline myself pretty soon to get past this.

Well, at least I am on my way to the gym.

Toodles!
Sharon

[maxlharris]

The woman in that video I think only eats about 9000 calories a day. At that point. The 33,000 calorie guy was this enourmous Englishman who eventually required intervention and they had to cut the side of his house out and bring in the firemen to bring him to the hospital. The poor guy has lost a couple hundred pounds and is still pretty much bed ridden. And they have him on salads. Small salads.

What always amazes me is this: Here you are, like that woman and trailer ridden. Right, she can get up but I dunno that she can get out of her house. How does she afford 9000 calories a week? What does she do for money that she can do it from her mobile home and afford to eat 9000 calories a day? The 33,000 kcal man, he was eating like $50 in Snickers bars. Even figuring the dollar to pound conversion, and that Snickers are cheaper here than in England, that's still an amazing amount to spend, on candy bars, in a day, for a man who can't get out of bed. How does that happen? And how do I get that job. I can guarantee, I'll put the money to better use than Snickers bars.

[Ammy]

I totally agree..how DO they pay for their food....?????

Wasn't such a great meeting...and although I still love my job, my feelings for my boss are not ROSY at the moment:peeved:. He didn't yell at me, he just yelled into the air and everyone around him felt it...my GF calls him the "whiney child"...yep, that's him.
But...the scones are NOT looking good at the moment. That's a small blessing.
I am struggling with my workout though, may have to get it in tonight instead of over lunch. Oh well, as long as I do it, right?

[Claudette]

The answer to the question, "how do they get their food?" is enablers, the family members or friends that go and get it for them and bring it to them.
I don't know how they pay for their food, either.

I can't even imagine eating that much a day....

Today, busy, meeting at 2.45 that I am presenting in.

Tonight, dinner at home, movie at home. After my exercise this pm, I am sitting on the couch.

Have a great night all.

[Ammy]

but that is the part I don't get...how DO they PAY for it??

I've worked in welfare, there's no WAY a welfare or disability check can pay for the monthly expense AND the food of these people??

Hey, maybe she has a sugar-daddy?

[Tresses]

What always amazes me is this: Here you are, like that woman and trailer ridden. Right, she can get up but I dunno that she can get out of her house. How does she afford 9000 calories a week? What does she do for money that she can do it from her mobile home and afford to eat 9000 calories a day?

That very thought crossed my mind. Wow. And watching her lay in bed and eat her bedtime snack (of over 1,000 calories worth of SUGAR) literally nauseated me. (I couldn't possibly sleep with that kind of sugar rush right before bed. My heart would be racing!) Very sad, though, for her and her son. :(

Feeling out of it today. Also feeling hungry. Don't know why. Trying to drink more water.

Breakfast: 2 eggs w/creamed chipped beef; 1 dark chocolate kiss
Snack: coffee, half and half, .75oz gouda
Lunch: spinach salad with ham, sharp cheddar, and sunflower seeds; .5 oz peanuts
Dinner: I've got chicken thighs and pineapple salsa in the crockpot. No idea what that's going to turn out like, but the salsa caught my eye when I went to the shelf for the intended can of tomatoes. "Let's see...chop up onions, garlic, and maybe peppers to add with the tomatoes...or dump in this jar of salsa?" I'm tired. Salsa won. :p

Have a good one. :)

[gitfiddle]

Tresses, that's my kinda cookin'.

[Tresses]

Tresses, that's my kinda cookin'.

It smells so good! :nod: I've cooked chicken with salsa before, it's the pineapple that made me hesitate. I'll love it. Hubby will probably love it. My only chicken eater (DS11) will probably wrinkle his nose at it. (But eat it after he scrapes off every bit of salsa he can.) And the other two? Who knows what they're eating for dinner...:rolleyes:

[Peachy]

Hi friends!

I took the day off of work today to spend the day with my kids on their spring break. We went shopping, to a movie, and to the library. It's been a fabulous day.

I'm looking back at March and I can't say that I'm happy with my progress. Once I stopped cycling my cals and carbs my weight just stalled. I'm fitting into smaller clothes -- maybe it's redistributing? Is that what it's called? Believe me, if I can be at a higher weight and a size 8 I will take it. That would mean more food for me. I think the cycling was working, but watching my weight go up, even though I knew it was water, was discouraging. I don't know if I should start that again or not. Maybe I'll give it a week and see what happens. As Max says, 'it's my experiment.'

[petra65]

Peachy-have you measured your body fat and LBM recently? It might give you another perspective. We women can sometimes becomes slaves to our scale when that really isn't what is important. What's important is being at a healthy weight for you.

I didn't watch the video. I don't think I want to. I have a feeling it confirms my belief that obesity is a substance abuse disorder.

I've noticed that since I've returned to low carbing, I don't have much of a need for snacking anymore. I do snack a little, but not like I did before. I think it is the satiating effect of fat and protein.

Good food day for me I think.

B: kefir protein shake, sugar free latte with CC milk
L: dreamfields pasta with vodka sauce (leftovers)
D: ribeye steak, cauliflower, glass of red wine.
S: pork rinds.

Pro:117
ECC: 35
Fiber: 17
Took doggies for a nice 30 minute walk. It's sunny, 75, with a light breeze here.

[Missy]

I didn't watch the video. I don't think I want to. I have a feeling it confirms my belief that obesity is a substance abuse disorder.



Petra...I'm living proof that it is. It's a substance abuse disorder, but, that's not the 'root' of the problem....as I noticed that people who 'abuse' some sort of something, it's only to cover up some sort of emotional turmoil that they don't know what to do about it...and use 'food' (in this case) to self medicate. Then things get so out of whack they can't get off the marry go round.

I saw that entire episode that that clip was from off a show on one of the cable network shows. It's so sad, but it's sad that they don't seem to understand that it's not JUST a 'food' issue...but a behavior issue, emotional issue, and mental issue.

[petra65]

Missy-yes, for a lot of people there are other issues but I think at it's simplist it is a brain disease. I know when I am eating sugar, something in my brain just takes over and I can't be rational about it. I know what it is doing to me, I know I should stop but I can't. It has nothing to do with "emotional things" at that point. Once I stop eating the sugar, I can look at the other things-the new job that I hated, the dog that died, etc. I have found that to be true with my substance abusing patients. When they are in the grasp of their addiction, I can't talk to them about anything else. They have to stop using first, then we can talk about "other things." In essesnce, the substance hijacks your brain.

[maxlharris]

In the show, the woman in question, they put a plate of chocolate chip cookies about 10 feet behind her. She has trouble carrying on a conversation because the cookies are calling to her. I'd say that's a hard core problem, if the cookies talk to you. We're not even talking like Entemann's here. Don't remember if it's in this clip or not.

[petra65]

That says it all Max. It substance hijacks your brain.

[Tresses]

In the show, the woman in question, they put a plate of chocolate chip cookies about 10 feet behind her. She has trouble carrying on a conversation because the cookies are calling to her. I'd say that's a hard core problem, if the cookies talk to you. We're not even talking like Entemann's here. Don't remember if it's in this clip or not.

It was.

Coming back to update my food. I never really got out of my fog today. :confused: Still dealing with the sinuses, so maybe that's it. When DH came home I mentioned that I've been unusually hungry (and unfortunately, nibblie) all day, and he said he was too. This has happened before to us. Weird.

Anyway...

Breakfast: 2 eggs w/creamed chipped beef; 1 dark chocolate kiss
Snack: 4 cups coffee w/3 to 4 TBS half and half; .75oz gouda
Lunch: spinach salad with ham, sharp cheddar, and sunflower seeds; .5 oz peanuts; low carb yogurt topped with a bit of whipped cream
Nibbled through the afternoon snacks: 1 tsp natural peanut butter w/half tsp mini choc chips; cheese stick; .25 oz peanuts
Dinner: 2 chicken thighs with 3 to 4 TBS pineapple salsa; buttered green beans.
Evening Snack: 2 cups of coffee w/1 to 2 TBS half and half

Totals:
Protein: 104
ECC: 35
Fat: 113
Cal: 1609

I hope I don't want to eat all day tomorrow, too. :o

[Missy]

Missy-yes, for a lot of people there are other issues but I think at it's simplist it is a brain disease. I know when I am eating sugar, something in my brain just takes over and I can't be rational about it. I know what it is doing to me, I know I should stop but I can't. It has nothing to do with "emotional things" at that point. Once I stop eating the sugar, I can look at the other things-the new job that I hated, the dog that died, etc. I have found that to be true with my substance abusing patients. When they are in the grasp of their addiction, I can't talk to them about anything else. They have to stop using first, then we can talk about "other things." In essesnce, the substance hijacks your brain.

Absolutely POSITIVELY. It's one of those, is it the chicken or the egg things. What comes first though...the 'pain' signal, or the 'medicate' with sugar (or like substance) to dull the brain pain. Petra...if you want to learn or listen too another Dr's theory on this very subject, read the books from Kathleen DesMasions series of books on this topic.

The Sugar Addicts Total Recovery Program
and
Potatoes Not Prozac (and she's got others too)

Kathleen DesMasion book describes this:

"Kathleen DesMaisons, Ph. D. coined the term "sugar sensitivity" to describe a unique biochemical profile that appears to be a gate to addiction and compulsive behavior. Dr. DesMasions started the field of Addictive Nutrition in 1996 and is now recognized as the leading expert in the us of nutrition to heal the biochemistry of addiction."

I found the insight in all of her books very helpful. I find her style interesting, but as a well bred PP'r I find her nutritional aspect of her book to be 'light' BUT in saying so, I appreciate her understanding and concern for the 'average' patient..and her plan is like our WW discussion...it's better the NOTHING. Lets face it, if you do PP and understand it and adapt to it, I say there really isn't anything 'average' about you. lol Her approach is directed too someone that recognizes that they have crossed the line into sugar addiction...and she speaks clearly and slowly and guides them in such a manner because again, let's face it, when your under a substance you don't think clear. Been there, done that.

If your interested, 'search' for Laughing W's posts....and/or contact her...she's the one that has helped me emensely get a better understanding, connection to this theory.

In my simplist of thoughts about my addiction.... it really doesn't have anything to do with the food. Something else was driving it..and that is the brain diease. The "dis" "ease" of some subject in life that we emotionally can't handle.

You are absolutely POSITIVELY on the right track Petra!

Also, I'm so glad that I got to 'see' for myself the show The Celebrity Rehab"..and I got to see the very thing your talking about with substance abusers...that is why in order to 'treat' people like this the bring them into a living circumstance for total treatment. So the Dr's can control their entire enviroment...so they can be watched as they come down and go through withdrawl...and THEN get them to the point that they are 'clean' and more clear headed so that then the Dr's can talk to them and they can be reassured that they are talking to the core person, NOT the addiction personality. Clean people talk different, act different, look different. SAME with me when I'm "on' or 'off'. I saw it for myself here recently.

Dr. Drew in his one on one therapy sessons would identify when the patient's addiction personality was trying to take over the conversation. It's at those very moments for us when our brain is trying to kick us back into our weakness to use.

[Missy]

In the show, the woman in question, they put a plate of chocolate chip cookies about 10 feet behind her. She has trouble carrying on a conversation because the cookies are calling to her. I'd say that's a hard core problem, if the cookies talk to you. We're not even talking like Entemann's here. Don't remember if it's in this clip or not.


Max..I've had that conversation with cookies MANY a times. Yes, hard core. Think back Max...remember when that incident happened with my sister and bil at the cemetery? Remember how I helped her at her food tasting party and the hostess had the luscious plate of cookies...and how I had to report here that I failed? I don't know if you remember, but I certainly do? My brain was in the WORRY mode (rightfully so) and I gave in to the self medication that I've come to know so well.

I've been that person MANY MANY times Max. Many times it's pop that is the 'cure'....just think how many times one can get a 'refill' at a restaurant?

[Karole]

I forgot to report in last night so will do it now,

fruits/veggies: grapefruit,spinach,cauliflower,mixed veggies,tomatoes,cabbage

Exercise: 30 min. on glider at #2 setting

Extra: several trips out to camper, several trips to basement to get out summer clothes, horse grooming, throwing large rocks from field over the fence.

[petra65]

One of those "smack me upside the head" moments I had not long before I decided to stop eating sugar again was when I still workiing at the VA here. That is the job I moved here for and I absolutely hated it. My patients were either drug addicted, very angry, felt the world owed them something people, or very very mentally ill. Some of the sickest patients I've ever seen. It was gruelling, thankless work. At any rate, I would listen to my drug addicted patients every day tell me how they "fell off the wagon." They had been doing so well and then this or that happened and the conversations they had with themselves telling themselves to stop and I realized I was having those exact same conversations with myself in front of the cupcakes at the grocery store! HELLO!! I have another job now.

[Missy]

I know. I know Petra, I know. Me too. At first I was trying to find the shred of difference between my addiction and of "those" people (don't you know)...but I can't any longer. It's the same.

My therapist just said to me that one difference between our types of addiction is that those addictions will kill you faster.

Last night on 20/20 they had a hour show on addiction and one happened to be Kelly Osbourne...and her addiction and recovery with drugs. And she gave a very interesting description of just how it is when your in recovery..and the TINIEST and SLIGHTEST thought about 'using' pops into your head the enormous thought process you find yourself in in self talk that begins to talk yourself out of that....or not.

It was really a worthwhile show. I'm finding I have a great deal more empathy for an addict...and I'm more thankful that I suffer ONLY from this. I make no judgements of others anymore. They know not what they do.

[Lucille]

i wasnt overweight until I quit drinking at age 40. i was using alcohol to numb my mental pain which was a ten out of ten. when i quit drinking, I then had nothing to numb my pain and i had a breakdown. but aside from a couple of falls, I stuck to sobriety. BUT I reasoned, well I cant drink, but I can EAT. and so I began eating, and my weight increased over the years until i got outrageously obese.
now i am dealing with my emotions and my pain still, but I have healed some so the drive isnt as strong, to medicate myself with food. but its still a drive. I want cake.
BUT i am learning to like the foods i am eating now. I feel so much better and i have only lost ten. how great will I feel when I have lost a lot more?
I cant wait to find out.

[Missy]

Stay strong Lucille. One good thing about coming to realizing this about yourself is that you then can change it. The more your self esteem rises, the more you want to continue doing all the right and healthful things...so more power to you, your doing right by you!!!

[petra65]

Lucille-do you go to AA or a similar program?

[gitfiddle]

BUT I reasoned, well I cant drink, but I can EAT. and so I began eating,...
Lucille, when I was in OA it was not unusual to have recovering alcoholics in our groups. Some said they had been advised to have a piece of candy whenever they wanted a drink.

There were also compulsive eaters who switched to being compulsive shoppers or compulsive gamblers after they got a handle on the food. It's a sneaky disease!

[Lucille]

i never went to AA, dont need it now, but i became a compulsive eater. i grazed like a horse, head down all day long munching munching...I am finding that my evening hours are the most difficult. just to plan meals ahead of time is a big deal for me, and to eat 3 proper meals a day is hard, but i am making new habits for my life. last night I had a really hard time again, kept wanting to eat more but was full and satisfied, and had eaten all my carb allowance, but just wanted to EAT. its actually getting harder for me, those evening hours between 7 and midnight. I resisted, but then woke up at 3 am starving, so ate another turkey sausage. and went back to sleep. anyway, I AM still fighting the desire to stuff my face.
I dont like to face the things that bother me from my past, and i have never been able to afford to get counselling except sharing little bits of it with people I trust, mostly at church. But I have healed a lot emotionally.
I do see the emotional pain as being behind my overeating. I still want to ease it, and maybe that chocolate cupcake will do it? but it never does...
but I am sticking to this WOE for sure.

[gitfiddle]

Lucille, check your private messages. I just sent you one. :)