I need help with sources

[Phoenix]

Hi again,

I'm diabetic (Type II) as well as having chronic fatigue syndrome, Fibromyalgia (and the list goes on). I'm having a great deal of trouble finding the things I need.

One of them is magnesium malate (800 mg). I can't find it anywhere. When I find it on the internet it doesn't tell me how much actual magnesium is in the tablet. Has anyone successfully found a source of good quality Magnesium Malate? (According to the book, the malate form is the best for CFIDS).

Another problem I'm having is eating enough. I seem to manage reaching the minimum or more of liquid; but getting 120 grams of protein and 150 calories of veggies in me and still staying under 30 - 40 grams of carb and 1000 calories has proven to be too much for me - both to figure out and to consume. I have no appetite most of the time (and an ocassional unbelievable longing for the forbidden). I actually look at food and think "Oh God, I can't eat anything else!" I wind up not reaching minimum protein or vegetable requirements.

Any one else having trouble with stomach aches and indigestion?

I thought protein bars or shakes would help; but have had absolutely no success in finding bars which have very low carb content and high protein - including the Atkins bars. Has anyone found any; and, if so, where can I order them.? (I've checked out the local natural food stores and found nothing which still leaves me a little amazed. Boy, the word about magnesium certainly hasn't gotten out there has it?)

I'm also looking for good shakes which hopefully wont send me into a carb craving craze yet can be stirred into a glass of water or mixed in a blender and give me a source of protein I can use when I can't get anything else (or am not feeling strong enough to fix anything).

Any help here would be greatly appreciated as I'm really getting pretty discouraged and a little concerned that I am not getting enough of what my body needs.

Thanks for listening (cybernetically).

Hanging in there for health.

Phoenix

[maxlharris]

Hey, quick question:
Where does the 150 calories of veggies and the 1000 calorie limit come from? I didn't see it in PP(LP) so curious where it comes from.

I would suggest:
Work the protein for the number.
Keep the carbs under the carb number.
Do not worry about calories.

Good luck.

[maxlharris]

Oh yeah,

http://vitanetonline.com/description/TT1295/vitamins/Magnesium-Malate/

They have several brands with Mg content in the title.
NOW is a good brand with 1000mg of Mag Malate, and 150g Mg. That's what, 40% of your RDA per caplet? They recommend 3 tabs daily. I buy NOW other stuff on occasion.

[Phoenix]

maxlharris,

The answer to your question is that I am doing a slightly modified version of the PPLP. Basically it's the same. My friend is on it and has been since December. Her blood totally normalized in the first month; and she has lost 83 lbs. This LP is supervised by physicians who specialize in, as I said, a slightly modified version of PPLP. She and I are both in the intervention part of the plan.

Good Luck to you also.

Phoenix

[Mitra]

You're not likely to find people here with experience of navigating between all of those constraints - the 150 kcals from veg and no more than 1000 kcals per day aren't limits that the rest of us are working to. But some thoughts are that most of the cals in most veggies come from carbs. If you get 150 kcals from veggies, then you've used up all of your carb allowance unless you have high fat veggies like avocado and nuts - but then you're eating away at your 1000 calories.

520g of chicken breast or 675g white fish gets you 120g of protein for 575 ish kcals. Together with the 150 kcal from your vegetables, that leaves you with 275 kcals for fat - about 2 Tbs worth. You could use it as olive oil or butter or mayo to dress the rest, in cooking it, or choose a slightly fattier protein source.

If you choose non-fatty veggies (broccoli, green beans, tomatoes etc) then there's no need to count both carbs and calories, because almost all the calories in those non-fatty veggies come from carbs. There are four calories per carb, so 40g carb = 160 kcals.

[Gaelen]

The answer to your question is that I am doing a slightly modified version of the PPLP. Basically it's the same.

Hi, Phoenix.
First, welcome in! :)
I read through this whole thread, and your other one, before trying to decide how to respond. But I think just saying it is really probably better.

Physician supervised or not, 1000 calories per day as 120g protein/420 calories (without considering your actual lean body mass by measurement or calculation), and 30-40g carbs with 150 calories from veggies is absolutely positively totally NOT a 'slightly modified version of the PPLP.' Nor is it 'basically ... the same.'

It's an eating plan of these physicians' own design, and it may be fine under their supervision, but it is not PPLP, PP, or anything even remotely like it. Even "Thin So Fast," which was the Eadeses' original liquid diet + one meal plan, only shared the calorie restriction part of the plan you describe, and while Mike Eades has considered calorie restriction again recently, his method is to alternate periods of complete fasting with periods when he consumes without regard to caloric intake. The plan you describe is pure and simple calorie restriction, 24/7. That's not PP.

My friend is on it and has been since December. Her blood totally normalized in the first month; and she has lost 83 lbs. This LP is supervised by physicians who specialize in, as I said, a slightly modified version of PPLP. She and I are both in the intervention part of the plan.

Congrats to your friend on her success.
Just to be absolutely clear, what you described in this thread as an 'Intervention Plan' is NOT Protein Power, and no one reading this should be confused that the 'Intervention' plan you describe is what Protein Power ever intended.

The actual Protein Power Plan is based on recommended daily and per-meal carb grams intake, and recommended daily and per-meal protein minimums which are based on your measured and/or calculated lean body mass. They are emphatically NOT about counting or restricting calories. In fact, on PP, I routinely ate/eat more calories than on calorie restricted plans.

The complexity of your other health issues certainly indicates that you need to be under physician supervision, and I'm glad that you took that route and that you have a doctor working with you. :) That said, your doctor is misleading patients if s/he's leading them to believe that the eating program they recommend is a 'slightly modified' Protein Power. It's a plan they made up, and it ignores several principles of PP. It may work for their patients, but everything works for someone.

Hope you find the supps that you need, and that the plan you're pursuing gives you the results you're aiming at. And again, welcome in. :)

[sweetjami]

Hi...You are scaring me by the resrictions that you are putting on yourself. Maybe if you concentrate more on getting the protein you need along with the carbs and fats (why does it seem people are so afraid of fats? Some of them are good for you and absolutely esential). Forget counting the calories for now...just get the rest under control, and the calories will follow (at least it has for me).

As for a source on the web for protein bars etc, I use Bariatriceating.com. I have had bariatric roux-en-y surgery and developed hypoglycemia as a result (about 10% of us do), and I love the Power Crunch bars (chocolate has llg of fat, 9 net carbs, 15 protein and 195 calories. I find that if I carry this in my purse, and if I start to feel the shaking, cold sweats, etc, I take a couple bites and it is perfect until if I am, for instance, meeting someone for dinner in half an hour and my hypo won't wait! Also can recommend the New Whey Protein Bullets and especially like the orange-have used it in plain gelatin with a bit of cream for balance and it is a great desert, actually. I do hope I am not violating any rules by puting this info here. If I am, someone please tell me.

Hope this helps

[sweetjami]

I am very frustrated. I wrote a very long reply and when I entered it was told I was not signed in (but I was, but maybe timed out) and wiped it out - so am signed back in...will try briefly.

I had roux-en-y surgery and developed hypoglycemia as a result and had a horrible time trying to control it without gaining back the weight I lost. (one doctor even wanted to remove my spleen-no thank you!)

Anyway, bariatriceating.com is a place where you can get good protein info and products. I love the Power Crunch protein bars (11g fat, 9 net carbs, 15 protein). I also love the new Whey protein bullets. I use the orange and make it into a gelatin using a plain gelatin, and I also have used it for smooties and it is very good. hope that helps.

[Phoenix]

Hi Sweetjami-
I got your post. Thank you for your suggestions. Sounds like good sources!

Phoenix