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Always
12-21-2006, 05:23 PM
Hi all: Some of you already know me (http://www.proteinpower.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1567). I have been low carbing since Nov of 2000, own a low-carb store and will preach to anyone who will listen about how great this food lifestyle is. That said, I get a lot of headaches, some morphing into migraines, and have embarked on a journey to find out if there are foods that may be triggering them. I know that some of you have already been down this road.

A customer of ours is a doctor who runs a clinic for Autism and because Autism is very connected to food allergies and food sensitivities (which he’s branched off into), has taken me on as a patient. After the first visit of 3 hours and several vials of blood later, he told me to look into salicylates and go on a low salicylate diet.

What are salicylates (http://users.bigpond.net.au/allergydietitian/fi/salicylates-list.html) you ask....They are chemicals that occur naturally in many plants and act as preservatives to delay rotting and act as protectants against harmful bacteria and fungi. They are stored in the bark, leaves, roots, and seeds of plants and can be found naturally in some foods and its compounds are used in various products. Aspirin is a salicylate.

He gave me a list of foods that are low-high in salicylates and I was totally bummed to find the majority of low carb foods that I've been eating for 6 years on the high end of the list...almonds, coconut and olive oil, raspberries, cinnamon, blueberries, peppers, strawberries, cranberries, romaine, peanut butter, tomatoes. The lowest salicylate fruit...banana...sigh! Could I have been poisoning myself these last 6 years thinking I was eating well? Again...sigh!!! I stopped eating iceberg lettuce because there aren't many nutrients in it and went to romaine...now I'm back to iceberg as it's low in salicylates.

To make things more confusing, he recommended reading the book Eat Right 4 Your Type (http://www.dadamo.com/) which is based on the premise that each blood type should avoid some foods and eat others. We have several customers who swear by this method. Michael and I both read it and I have to say it was very interesting. The doc typed my blood and I am an "O"...the oldest blood type known to man. “O” type people do well on protein (no pork) but minimal dairy and no wheat and if you're trying to lose weight, no cauliflower or cabbage (both ironically low in salicylates).

And to make matters worse, a urine test came back with a high ratio of casomorphin which is a peptide derived from casein, a milk protein (and acts as an opiate for God’s sake to keep us addicted to dairy). I might have to give up dairy and for a low carber that is…welll…a big time bummer!!!!! But then it follows my blood type.

Then he threw out glutamates (i.e. msg) and free-glutamates…again…deep sigh! So many ingredients…so little time!!!!

Needless to say my head has been spinning. I have been to a million web sites on all of these subjects and I have to say that sometimes too much information is a bad thing. I have been eating carefully for the entire month, but it is a challenge and I have not always succeeded. I didn’t look at the Jimmy Dean Sausage Patty ingredient list to see it had MSG in it and I didn’t think that the blackened chicken I had at a restaurant could have had MSG in it…was that why I got a migraine???? My next appointment with him is next week and I will learn more about the blood work and where to go from here. Stay tuned.

Is anybody else out there sensitive to salicylates?

laughingW
12-21-2006, 06:04 PM
I'm not allergic to salicylates but I'm a type O and I LOVE how I feel on the Purist level (no dairy or cereal grains). You said no dairy for a low-carber was a bummer.... well I am one low-carber who LOVES the feeling of being dairy-free, it feels so good. I also actually prefer iceberg lettuce. It has potassium so it's not as low in nutrients as its lowly reputation would have you think.

Also, as a Purist I don't have peanuts or foods that have "natural flavors, vegetable broth" or any of those pseudonyms for intense manufactured flavors, and let me tell you, the improved feelings are way more exciting than any feeling of "having to give up."

I have thought more than once that the language in the PPLP about the "Purist" level makes it sound "more restrictive" when really is it is more freeing and lets your body get closer faster to our birthright of wonderful health.

To me now it's like having to give up licorice. Something that's icky and i don't like anyway - compared to how good I feel on this level.

Missy
12-21-2006, 06:37 PM
Oh goodness Mary! I hope you get it all worked out. I don't have anything helpful to add to your post...just wanted to know that I saw it and I'm thinking of you! Missing your presence...but I understand too!

I'll keep my eye on this thread to keep up with what's added! Interesting!

Have a Merry Christmas...you Avatar STILL cracks me up! :D

gitfiddle
12-21-2006, 09:38 PM
Mary, good luck. I've read the book and it made some sense to me. The doctor who recommended PP to me said he eats a combination of ER4YT and PP. We are both O type. I was not surprised a bit.

I've read that the very foods we crave can be the ones we need to avoid. I'm almost afraid to start experimenting for fear of what I'll have to give up. I do know that the first step is usually the most difficult.

virginia
12-22-2006, 03:28 AM
Mary, go on!! I'm sure you'll find the cause very soon!!! Chin up!!!;)

Always
12-27-2006, 11:14 AM
Thanks for all your comments. I received a copy of the blood work in the mail yesterday and they tested me for reactions to about 90 foods. I don't have any obvious full blown allergies which is good.

But I have a moderate hypersensitivity to coconut and egg yolk. Coconut is a definite no-no for a Type O which is very disappointing as I've read it has so many good qualities and I have been eating the oil and milk...sigh! And egg yolks for God's sake...I've been eating eggs all my life...what's up with that?

I also have a low hypersensitivity to papaya (never eat), casein (also bad for type O's), barley (no biggy), egg white (arghhhhhhhh) and yogurt (I just added yogurt back into my diet...will probably have to take a pill to get the bacteria now)

Anyhow...the doctor appt is tomorrow and hopefully we can put this all together in such a way that I can figure out the reason for migraines.

See ya!

Gaelen
12-27-2006, 10:05 PM
But I have a moderate hypersensitivity to coconut and egg yolk. Coconut is a definite no-no for a Type O which is very disappointing as I've read it has so many good qualities and I have been eating the oil and milk...sigh! And egg yolks for God's sake...I've been eating eggs all my life...what's up with that?

Mary, I wonder if there's some sensitivity in your system to aracnadoic (sp?) acid...that would account for the sensitivity to eggs, and coconut (and also red meat...?)

Always
12-31-2006, 02:36 PM
Interesting observation Gaelen...I went back to the PP books and read up on it. I'll look into it further.

As for now, I have been told to give up casein (dairy) as well as eggs for 3 months to see if it helps. Also, I need to give up coconut, barley, and papaya. The doc found it odd that the reading was high for barley and papaya when I haven't eaten barley much since low carbing and don't remember ever eating papaya...he said it must be a very strong reaction for my body to remember it.

I'm also giving up wheat gluten and pork as recommended for my blood type. This will definitely be a new adventure.:(

Since reducing my salicylates for the past month didn't reduce my headaches, they're back in my diet which will make it easier.

The dairy restriction is going to be tough...I tried soy milk for the first time yesterday and wasn't trilled...found a egg free mayonnaise that I liked...found some casien free ghee. All of this begins Jan 2 so wish me luck. I will survive and maybe even get rid of my migraines and feel better and lose some more weight. :)

Anniesnan
12-31-2006, 04:27 PM
Mary,

very interesting and informative post.
I hope you can pinpoint what is causing the headaches.

I've suffered from them my entire life, up until the time I started PPLP about 5 years ago. Even though I went off PP, I stuck with eliminating the one thing which triggered my headaches - wheat products.

I used to practically live on bread and cereals (all kinds) combined with eggs.

I'm also type 0 and ironically, the first "meat" of any kind that my mother could get me to eat (at about age 12) other than bacon and ham was fresh pork... I still eat a lot of pork, both fresh and cured, w/o any apparent problems.

I had allergy testing for my headaches (and constant nasal drip) and they couldn't pinpoint anything, but I discovered on my own that I have allergic reactions to chalk and chalk dust, which kind of put a big damper into me when I was teaching :eek: .

Now I only get headaches about 5 times a year, instead of having one about 350 days a year, although when I do get them now, they are doozies! Most of them have been triggered by a wheat binge of some sort, though. I do crave it!

Good luck in your experimenting!

shulameet
03-06-2007, 11:29 AM
Dear Mary,

Since salicylates are related to aspirin, which is a NSAID and stomach irritant, are these foods also stomach irritants? I'm new to the PP forums and I'm trying to sort out all this new info.

I have reflux and find that I get headaches from ingesting NSAIDs because they upsety stomach, which, in turn, causes referred pain muscle spasms in my neck and upper back. Topical application, however, has been sucessful for me.

Always
03-12-2007, 09:50 PM
Sorry shulameet...I haven't been on the boards for a while. I would suggest that you visit this site (http://salicylatesensitivity.com/), to find out what the symptoms are if you are sensitive to them. It's a pretty long list. The salicylate issue is not related specifically to low carbing, so don't stress yourself about it in relation to low carbing.

You will find that a low carb diet should eliminate your reflux...at least that's the case for many many people.

As for me....I have been dairy free, egg free, pork free, coconut free and wheat free since Jan 2 and have DEFINITELY had fewer headaches. I still get a few sinus headaches, but only 1 or 2 have morphed into a slight migraine...nothing I couldn't control. I will be going back to the doc in April to see what the next step is. I believe he will suggest adding some of these foods back in my diet to see which trigger migraines...this is not something I look forward to doing though.

I do FEEL better and I have been more emotionally stable (but this could be because I added a B-100 complex to my supplement mix). The thing I miss most is eggs...much more than the dairy.

I'll leave you with this funny story (http://www.lowcarbcentral.biz/id38.html) I wrote about our attempt to find a pancake recipe to replace the one we were using that uses no eggs, dairy or wheat. See ya!