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Songwriter
10-30-2006, 03:36 PM
I hope I don't bore you with this. I'm about to pull my hair out. Which is a bad thing for a vain, performing musician. But I can't imagine anyone reading this dissertation.

In January, I got diagnosed with heart disease and had a stent put in. More later.

PP background... I got the book I guess in 1995. Up until that point, for the previous eight years, due to my family history of heart disease in the men, I was somewhat of a health nut. That's when low-fat, high carb was going full swing. Running marathons and such. I think my tot chol was 180 to 200. I even went vegetarian for six months. My cholesterol was 126 after that but I don't remember what other numbers were.

When I got the PP book, it made sense and I did it. I was shocked! Just like they said, weight loss was easy and my blood work was the best it had EVER been. And I had MANY blood work profiles done during the prior several years.

As I look back, why did I not stick with PP? I have no explanation other than the next year or two are kind of fuzzy. My dad died, the biggest shock of my life. We were super close, it was quite a blow. I guess I kind of lost direction. Well, yeah. In every way.

Since he died in 1996, I became less and less health-conscious. Even thought I looked to be the picture of health, (6'2" and appeared to be "slim") I went back to a lot of bad habits eating-wise. I guess I did retain some good healthy habits but PLENTY of the old ways crept back in. Including drinking way too much. I would only drink a couple of days a week but they would too much. Always centering around music, having a good time. The life of the party. I wouldn't have just two, I'd often have ten.

This past January, chest pain. Called 911, the next two days, tests. Cath confirmed suspected blockage in LAD and a smaller branch. They put a drug-coated stent in the LAD. The other one, two surgeons tried for two hours to put a stent in but due to the sharp branch-off angle, they could not insert the cath. Finally, they said "it shut down." Meaning it closed off during their attempts. They said it might open back up again.

These were my lipids:

TOT, 175
LDL, 80
HDL, 32
TRI, 308
TOT/HDL = 5.5
LDL/HDL = 2.5
TRI/HDL = 9.6

I told my doc I did not want to go cholesterol med as I thought I could take care of it with diet. I said I guarantee I can get Tri way down by cutting sugars and cutting alchohol. HDL... I didn't know, since best I had EVER had was 44. Running marathons. (Maybe running doesn't work so good?)

He disagreed and said go on the chol med (Trichor) and we'll talk about what you want in six months. I said okay. I went back for 90-day checkup. New numbers:

OLD, then NEW:

TOT, 175 -- New: 135
LDL, 80 -- New: 68
HDL, 32 -- New: 51
TRI, 308 -- New: 79
TOT/HDL = 5.5 -- New: 2.6
LDL/HDL = 2.5 -- New: 1.3
TRI/HDL = 9.6 -- New: 1.5

I took the Trichor for two more months and went off of it. As I look back, I'm thinking uh-oh, maybe I should have stayed on it, those numbers look fantastic.

Anyway, I quite taking it. In August I started having minor chest ache sensations and noted that my blood pressure was getting too high. Finally, after too many scary aches and pains and blood pressure fluctuating too much and going way too high (I had not ever been diagnosed with high blood pressure before this), I went to a good GP who works at a nearby hospital. He immediately did a stress test. While doing it, he said the EKG was looking very good. Then after ten minutes, the nurse called out the latest BP reading -- 240/110. He stopped the test.

He gave me a prescription for Avapro blood pressure med and recommended I have another cath. I finally got a letter from the hospital saying it's scheduled for Dec. 28. Heck, I'll be dead or fixed by then.

Okay, so, in general, I do not want another stent, I do not want bypass surgery. I do not want to take drugs or any sort unless I have to. But I got too much to do, I don't want to die. While awaiting the cath, which I do NOT want to do unless I have to, here's what's happened.

My blood pressure started going down. Taking the Avapro and eating well (what I thought). At one point, I thought I'd beat it. I was eating lower fat diet but I was not yet even remembering about the PP plan. I was eating chicken / fish / low-fat veggies. Not crazy overdoing carbs but having too many, I know. Eating oatmeal for breakfast. Sardines, tuna, salmon often. I started taking supplements. BP was 110/75 many times I would check it. I had hoped I could beat it and get rid of the pains and lower my blood pressure. Looking good.

But... blood pressure has been going back UP and pains have not gone away. I occasionally take a nitro. Sometimes it helps, sometimes, it doesn't. I have had no pain like the first time when I called 911.

It's kinda hard to figure out what to do about chest pains. I mean, heck, if you follow what some of these well-known gurus say... DO NOT HAVE STENTS OR DO BYPASS UNLESS THERE IS NO OTHER WAY... it's hard to figure out when it's "okay" pain or pain to be worried about.

Lately, the higher blood pressure was first, hovering around 135/80 and now for the past five days, it is generally 140/85. As I look back through my daily journal, I cannot figure out why. I could not tie it to diet or supplements. WHY is it going back up? I have no clue; maybe it is a function of this new blockage manifesting itself. Hence, the fluctuations.

DRUGS:
I went back on Trichor chol med about a month ago.
I started the Avapro blood pressure med about three weeks ago.
I have taken one baby aspirin daily for about a year.

Supplements began 3-4 weeks ago:

Multi vit/min
Vit C
Cal-Mag
Potassium
Fish oil
coQ10
Hawthorn
Policosanol
Vit E
Physillium
Grape seed
Garlique garlic

After much reading recently, I got worried about potassium and blood pressure med, so I quit it since the Multi has 90 mg.

I got worried about fish oil and arrhythmias or something and I quit taking it, then figured it likely didn't apply to me and I started taking it again. CONFUSING!

All supplements are what I figure are good or at least decent quality. Like d-alpha vit E, not dl-alpha, etc. Decent brands.

Policosanol... read where it must be from sugar cane, not rice. Mine is from rice.

What to do, what to do. What on earth am I asking you people? I really don't know why I even posted this. I guess I'm thinking someone might have an idea about some of this. I've read so much, it's hard to even remember what is good and bad. Of course, good and bad is debatable. Who do you trust? I dunno, the Eades seem to so trustworthy!

My internal doc is a very conscientious, hard-working doc. But all he knows is drugs and surgery and he is not very open. I do not know any doc I could go to. I was all excited, thinking maybe I could somehow visit Drs. Eades in Little Rock. I am only three hours from there. But then I see that they moved?

I guess I am thinking that the PP plan is what I should be doing. My goals are to lower BP, make these pains go away and live happily ever after. Well, gimme me 20 more years, I'd be satisfied. (I will be 53 in two weeks.)

I want to beat this. I have cut drinking in half and hope to beat it by totally quitting or, at most, not more than two light beers, that's it. It ain't worth dying over.

WEIGHT:
218 -- when stent put in
212 -- 90 days later, up to two months ago
201 -- this morning

Whew, I'm tired after writing all that. I'm ready for a beer. (Kidding, even at my worst, I only drank on weekends.)

If anyone read this far, I will do you a song and dance if I ever meet you.

P.S. I do not smoke.
P.S.S. I sometimes play music in smoky bars. I hate that!

Thanks,
Bill, the songwriter

EDIT:
These weird heart sensations include a "fluttering" feeling. Like the heart is beating irregularly or something weird. I would have some of this while in the hospital and I would have them check the monitors and all would appear totally normal. STRANGE. Now, I'm wondering if this is blood trying to squeeze through a constricted artery. Maybe the one that "shut down" during stent attempt opened back up but now is blocking off again. Whatever, I am very surprised this has occurred in only eight months. I have eaten probably way better than 90% of all heart patients, I have exercised. Only "bad thing" is alcohol. Well, that and not being on PP for the whole period.

lizi145
10-30-2006, 03:48 PM
If anyone read this far, I will do you a song and dance if I ever meet you.

You owe me a song and dance! I wish I could offer some advice...maybe someone else can who follows...

mcsblues
10-30-2006, 04:56 PM
Hi. For obvious reasons you won't get medical advice here.

What I would say is that looking at your original cholesterol and triglycerides the only problem was your high TGs and perhaps your HDL could have been higher. Well I'm sure you know, a low carb diet slashes triglycerides, improves HDL numbers as well as the type of LDL - and on top of that many people find they no longer require blood pressure medication, so if I were you ;) - I do know what I would be eating from now on! Have you read PPLP? - if not it is a must and includes a great deal more info on the supposed cholesterol 'problem'.

With your supps personally I would lose the Policosanol - your cholesterol has never been high! - and include some fish oil/krill oil and chelated magnesium. I would also take a look at the side effects of your medication on the net - Tricor for instance has possible side effects;

"common side effects may include: Abdominal pain,
back pain, headache, respiratory disorders"

- also it may cause gall stones and affect your liver function!

http://www.healthsquare.com/NEWRX/TRI1550.HTM

Again if I were you I would discuss these things with your doctor and tell him/her you want to do as much as possible with diet and exercise. Remember you are in charge here - not your doctor! Your doctor can only advise you.

I really hope things work out well for you.

Songwriter
10-30-2006, 07:09 PM
Have you read PPLP? - if not it is a must and includes a great deal more info on the supposed cholesterol 'problem'.

I have read PP. Are you inferring PPLP has more info about this?

include some fish oil/krill oil and chelated magnesium.

I have been taking fish oil but got spooked on something but I am back taking it again.

I plan to add krill oil soon.

Magnesium... mine is magnesium oxide in my mag supp and also in my Cal-mag supp, made by Spring Valley. I wonder if that magnesium oxide is an okay kind?

I would also take a look at the side effects of your medication on the net - Tricor for instance has possible side effects

This is why, from day one, still in the hospital, I told doc I did not want to take a chol drug. That I can probably lick it with diet and controlling alcohol. (I remembered how well I had done with blood lipids years before.)

I don't like any drug that can mess up your liver. But he convinced me to take it. Which I did for five months. At 90 days, my lipid profile was terrific, as seen in my above post. But I got off the drug on my own after five months. RIGHT NOW, I am continuing the Trichor but I would like to get off of it. But RIGHT NOW, I am too spooked by these heart pains and blood pressure being too high. I just want to do every possible thing I can do to beat this; it's hard to figure out what to do with everything.

Thanks for responding, this is the type of response I hoped to get, tips on this and that. Anything people could gather from what I wrote that should be pointed out.

LisaS
10-30-2006, 07:18 PM
PPLP has a little more on the Eades cholesterol thinking and the need to look at the ratios rather than absolutes, and it mentions the ratios they like to see in patients.

mcsblues
10-30-2006, 07:34 PM
PPLP has a lot more detailed information. It includes a whole chapter on magnesium and it will tell you that magnesium oxide is not well absorbed (and why) - a chelated form is a much better option.

gitfiddle
10-30-2006, 08:24 PM
Bill, all I can give you is moral support, but it seems that it might be in order! I will take that song and dance--but wait until you feel like it! ;)

joanneb608
10-31-2006, 12:49 AM
Yes Bill, here's hoping the best for your better health!!

The Eades do explain that magnesium oxide is not well-absorbed and can have a more laxative effect, so they recommend any of the chelated ones - I have taken both magnesium citrate and magnesium malate, also magnesium aspartate they're all much better.

Also, in the newer Protein Power Lifeplan book the Eades recommend taking CoQ10 supplement, especially if you have had heart problems, but to be sure to get gelcaps that are filled with the oil form of it, so it is absorbed well into your body.

Keep us posted on your progress, Bill!;)

Belfrybat
10-31-2006, 08:23 AM
Welcome! I don't have much in the way of advice for you as there are folks a lot more knowledgeable than me on this forum. I have sinus tacchycardia and taking 600 mg. a day of chleated magnesium (mixture of citrate and aspertate in a divided dose), has helped tremendously. Now I tend to only have an episode when I drink coffee or wine, so I stay away from those. Previously I was was having several episodes a week with no discernible triggers.

Good luck on your journey.

dvdmon
11-28-2006, 12:02 PM
Bill, I already responded to your other thread in depth, but I was reading this one and saw your mention of fish oil being linked to arrhythmias. I'd never heard that, so did some searching and found a rebuttal to the study, albeit one from a source that has an interest in debunking it, a seafood group:

http://www.imakenews.com/vitalchoiceseafood/e_article000416752.cfm?x=b55B7wh,b1pTrCB7,w

Despite the fact that it is from a seafood group, the author brings up some good points, in that the group studied already had defibrillators implanted, were already O3-deficient, and had other constraints on their diet, etc. Here's another news article about it:

http://health.dailynewscentral.com/content/view/1130/63

What it seems to be saying to me is that you should be concerned about taking fish oil only if you an existing serious problem with arrhythmias...

wendyj
12-01-2006, 06:38 AM
Have you discussed trying some Cayenne Pepper for the High Blood PRessure. (monitor your meds carefully) Also, I didn't see any mention of physical activity. Are you doing consistent exercise for your heart muscle in a safe way?

Songwriter
12-01-2006, 07:58 AM
I walk 15-20 miles per week. (Four to five miles, three to four times per week.)

Cayenne pepper, forgot about that. I have remained on BP med (Avapro) for about two months now. Adhering to PP diet very well. But my BP is not down like I want it to be. It's not bad but it's not great. I want it to be great if I can get it there. My journal shows last week...

Best: 113/74
Worst: 140/84 and I see one at 134/92

Now I need to read up on cayenne pepper. I guess take a supplement.