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		<title>By: mrfreddy</title>
		<link>http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/weight-loss/reality-check-for-the-lad-down-under/#comment-145312</link>
		<dc:creator>mrfreddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 12:47:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Raz, you&#039;re confusing me, it seems, with Fred Hahn, the slow-burn guy. I know Fred, I work out at his studio, but I am, alas, not him. For one thing, I&#039;m much better looking! (Ok, he&#039;s a lot more muscular, but I got more hair, on my head anyway!).

btw, Anthony never did respond to Fred&#039;s final caning, it&#039;s a doozy: 

http://tiny.cc/4ARwC

&lt;em&gt;The caning from Fred was a good one.  Poor AC.  He&#039;s likely covered with welts from the drubbings he&#039;s recently taken.&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Raz, you&#8217;re confusing me, it seems, with Fred Hahn, the slow-burn guy. I know Fred, I work out at his studio, but I am, alas, not him. For one thing, I&#8217;m much better looking! (Ok, he&#8217;s a lot more muscular, but I got more hair, on my head anyway!).</p>
<p>btw, Anthony never did respond to Fred&#8217;s final caning, it&#8217;s a doozy: </p>
<p><a href="http://tiny.cc/4ARwC" rel="nofollow">http://tiny.cc/4ARwC</a></p>
<p><em>The caning from Fred was a good one.  Poor AC.  He&#8217;s likely covered with welts from the drubbings he&#8217;s recently taken.</em></p>
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		<title>By: Razwell</title>
		<link>http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/weight-loss/reality-check-for-the-lad-down-under/#comment-144793</link>
		<dc:creator>Razwell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jun 2008 23:22:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>mrfreddy


Don&#039;t worry about Anthony Colpo. You gave him quite a caning a few months ago . So bad a caning in fact Colpo could not take the heat, that&#039;s the only reason you were banned. You made the &quot;Almighty Colpo&quot;  look mortal. 


I can vouch for you that he edited what you say and then bans because he did it to me too, the ( formerly , stupidly, and never again) biggest syocphant of his forum- &quot;Razzi&quot;. The fact that I vouch for you speaks VOLUMES about Colpo&#039;s integrity- he has none.


If Anthony Colpo needs to do as many sets and volume of an exercise that he says  he must NOT be training that hard . 


Keep on super slowing and putting Anthony Colpo&#039;s puny build to shame.


Sincerely

Razwell</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>mrfreddy</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t worry about Anthony Colpo. You gave him quite a caning a few months ago . So bad a caning in fact Colpo could not take the heat, that&#8217;s the only reason you were banned. You made the &#8220;Almighty Colpo&#8221;  look mortal. </p>
<p>I can vouch for you that he edited what you say and then bans because he did it to me too, the ( formerly , stupidly, and never again) biggest syocphant of his forum- &#8220;Razzi&#8221;. The fact that I vouch for you speaks VOLUMES about Colpo&#8217;s integrity- he has none.</p>
<p>If Anthony Colpo needs to do as many sets and volume of an exercise that he says  he must NOT be training that hard . </p>
<p>Keep on super slowing and putting Anthony Colpo&#8217;s puny build to shame.</p>
<p>Sincerely</p>
<p>Razwell</p>
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		<title>By: mrfreddy</title>
		<link>http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/weight-loss/reality-check-for-the-lad-down-under/#comment-143844</link>
		<dc:creator>mrfreddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 12:12:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>it&#039;s sad and it&#039;s tedious. However, I still don&#039;t know why I shouldn&#039;t believe him when he says these metabolic ward studies absolutely prove the metabolic advantage doesn&#039;t exist.

Of course, I don&#039;t care, it&#039;s just a minor academic point to me. If it does exist, in my case, it&#039;s too small to even notice at all. 

I don&#039;t know why he gets himself into such a lather over it (except to promote his book, of course, but it seems to go deeper than that with him).

I&#039;m glad to see the name I coined for him, the adhomnivore, is finally catching on! I still can&#039;t believe he has the -nads/lack of self awareness/impaired memory/whatever- to attack anyone for ad hominem attacks. Jeeesus.....

Hey mrfreddy--

&lt;em&gt;Don&#039;t worry.  The metabolic ward studies quoted don&#039;t put a stake through the heart of the metabolic advantage idea.  Only his interpretation of them.  I really will get around to dealing with them.&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it&#8217;s sad and it&#8217;s tedious. However, I still don&#8217;t know why I shouldn&#8217;t believe him when he says these metabolic ward studies absolutely prove the metabolic advantage doesn&#8217;t exist.</p>
<p>Of course, I don&#8217;t care, it&#8217;s just a minor academic point to me. If it does exist, in my case, it&#8217;s too small to even notice at all. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know why he gets himself into such a lather over it (except to promote his book, of course, but it seems to go deeper than that with him).</p>
<p>I&#8217;m glad to see the name I coined for him, the adhomnivore, is finally catching on! I still can&#8217;t believe he has the -nads/lack of self awareness/impaired memory/whatever- to attack anyone for ad hominem attacks. Jeeesus&#8230;..</p>
<p>Hey mrfreddy&#8211;</p>
<p><em>Don&#8217;t worry.  The metabolic ward studies quoted don&#8217;t put a stake through the heart of the metabolic advantage idea.  Only his interpretation of them.  I really will get around to dealing with them.</em></p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 21:37:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to say, it does surprise me that the Ad Homnivore would bite on this.  Even in your post, &#039;Learn Why AC is MAD&#039; you explained that the only disagreement you two had was in your belief that MAD exists.  You said, even then, that you had to have a caloric deficit in order to achieve weight-loss.  I would have figured that he would have read that post a thousand times.  All of your posts about MAD have all been very clear in that it was only about a maximum 300 kcal but that an overall caloric deficit was necessary for losing weight.

It seems as though he&#039;s not as critical a reader as he claims.  

My only guess is that he jumped to a conclusion and grouped you in with Atkins without really reading more into it just as he apparently reviewed Taubes without reading his work.  He must have just read that you believed that MAD existed and that you disagreed with him on that one issue.  Then he must have assumed that by MAD that you meant that you could &#039;eat all the low-carb you want and still lose weight.&#039;  

I&#039;m just stunned that he would stake his reputation on this one issue when you&#039;ve clearly agreed with him on this.  

That being said, someone who would actually change, edit, post and then ban people publicly without giving them a chance to reply is despicable.  It&#039;s one thing for your readers and supporters to speak ill of him but reading Razwell&#039;s comments speaks volumes about the guy.

&lt;em&gt;Nothing surprises me about the Ad Homnivore an longer except that I can always count on him trying to exploit anything I write for his own self-promotion efforts.  It&#039;s sad, really.&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to say, it does surprise me that the Ad Homnivore would bite on this.  Even in your post, &#8216;Learn Why AC is MAD&#8217; you explained that the only disagreement you two had was in your belief that MAD exists.  You said, even then, that you had to have a caloric deficit in order to achieve weight-loss.  I would have figured that he would have read that post a thousand times.  All of your posts about MAD have all been very clear in that it was only about a maximum 300 kcal but that an overall caloric deficit was necessary for losing weight.</p>
<p>It seems as though he&#8217;s not as critical a reader as he claims.  </p>
<p>My only guess is that he jumped to a conclusion and grouped you in with Atkins without really reading more into it just as he apparently reviewed Taubes without reading his work.  He must have just read that you believed that MAD existed and that you disagreed with him on that one issue.  Then he must have assumed that by MAD that you meant that you could &#8216;eat all the low-carb you want and still lose weight.&#8217;  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m just stunned that he would stake his reputation on this one issue when you&#8217;ve clearly agreed with him on this.  </p>
<p>That being said, someone who would actually change, edit, post and then ban people publicly without giving them a chance to reply is despicable.  It&#8217;s one thing for your readers and supporters to speak ill of him but reading Razwell&#8217;s comments speaks volumes about the guy.</p>
<p><em>Nothing surprises me about the Ad Homnivore an longer except that I can always count on him trying to exploit anything I write for his own self-promotion efforts.  It&#8217;s sad, really.</em></p>
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		<title>By: Megan Bagwell</title>
		<link>http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/weight-loss/reality-check-for-the-lad-down-under/#comment-142839</link>
		<dc:creator>Megan Bagwell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 12:20:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael Richards,
I will say, after I&#039;ve done the fat fast for a couple days I&#039;m SO HAPPY to go back to eating salads and chicken legs!!  The induction phase is like a TREAT after that and the cravings are gone and ketosis is doing it&#039;s magic!  But you&#039;re right, definitely not a party.  The first day is always good for me then after that I dry heaving at the thought of having a cup of coffee with 4 tbsp of heavy cream in it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael Richards,<br />
I will say, after I&#8217;ve done the fat fast for a couple days I&#8217;m SO HAPPY to go back to eating salads and chicken legs!!  The induction phase is like a TREAT after that and the cravings are gone and ketosis is doing it&#8217;s magic!  But you&#8217;re right, definitely not a party.  The first day is always good for me then after that I dry heaving at the thought of having a cup of coffee with 4 tbsp of heavy cream in it!</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Richards</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Richards</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 04:04:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Megan Bagwell

Just a quick note from someone who did the Fat Fast a couple of times last year to try and get rid of that last, pesky 5 kg using it. It does work, but -- as it&#039;s low on protein -- it is not muscle sparing. Quite the opposite. Then when you stop it, because you&#039;ve not been ingesting much in the way of food weight, your weight then goes up (because you&#039;re then eating more weight in food) and you have to cross your fingers that you maintain at least some deficit. I&#039;ve had far more success with Dr Mike&#039;s suggestion in the previous post &quot;Low-carb and calories&quot; of eliminating nuts and cheese (damn!). The weight for me came off quicker and stays off.

The trick appears to eat enough cals to maintain your rate of metabolism while providing a enough deficit to lose. Well, I haven&#039;t done any calcs, I&#039;ve just held off the Ns &amp; Cs and apparently got that balance right through sheer dumb luck.

But I will say this in favour of the Fat Fast: you actually don&#039;t feel hungry, so it&#039;s not torture. The amount of food you eat is so small it&#039;s freaky, but it&#039;s doable without a serious sense of deprivation. But it&#039;s hardly a party either!

Michael.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Megan Bagwell</p>
<p>Just a quick note from someone who did the Fat Fast a couple of times last year to try and get rid of that last, pesky 5 kg using it. It does work, but &#8212; as it&#8217;s low on protein &#8212; it is not muscle sparing. Quite the opposite. Then when you stop it, because you&#8217;ve not been ingesting much in the way of food weight, your weight then goes up (because you&#8217;re then eating more weight in food) and you have to cross your fingers that you maintain at least some deficit. I&#8217;ve had far more success with Dr Mike&#8217;s suggestion in the previous post &#8220;Low-carb and calories&#8221; of eliminating nuts and cheese (damn!). The weight for me came off quicker and stays off.</p>
<p>The trick appears to eat enough cals to maintain your rate of metabolism while providing a enough deficit to lose. Well, I haven&#8217;t done any calcs, I&#8217;ve just held off the Ns &amp; Cs and apparently got that balance right through sheer dumb luck.</p>
<p>But I will say this in favour of the Fat Fast: you actually don&#8217;t feel hungry, so it&#8217;s not torture. The amount of food you eat is so small it&#8217;s freaky, but it&#8217;s doable without a serious sense of deprivation. But it&#8217;s hardly a party either!</p>
<p>Michael.</p>
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		<title>By: Megan Bagwell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Megan Bagwell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 03:44:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m feeling quite good on 803 net calories and only 21 grams carbs (after subtracting fiber)...  I love knowing the exact numbers, it&#039;s a sick obsession now, even if the site is a PIA, I agree, it can be.

I feel like a rhino if I eat 1500 calories now.  I just don&#039;t know what a good calorie range is.  I know if I eat carbs I don&#039;t lose at all unless I&#039;m netting some crazy practically starvation number and just losing lean muscle...so I&#039;m going to really work at making this low carb lifestyle happen.  I&#039;m really good at the visualization part...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m feeling quite good on 803 net calories and only 21 grams carbs (after subtracting fiber)&#8230;  I love knowing the exact numbers, it&#8217;s a sick obsession now, even if the site is a PIA, I agree, it can be.</p>
<p>I feel like a rhino if I eat 1500 calories now.  I just don&#8217;t know what a good calorie range is.  I know if I eat carbs I don&#8217;t lose at all unless I&#8217;m netting some crazy practically starvation number and just losing lean muscle&#8230;so I&#8217;m going to really work at making this low carb lifestyle happen.  I&#8217;m really good at the visualization part&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Megan Bagwell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Megan Bagwell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 03:07:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.thedailyplate.com/diary/who/SweetSunni  Ok, maybe this one will work!

Thank you, Dr. Eades for clearing up that it&#039;s probably not dangerous (the fat fast) other than feeling like I might FREAK out on any given person by the 3rd day if I eat one more handful of macadamia nuts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.thedailyplate.com/diary/who/SweetSunni" rel="nofollow">http://www.thedailyplate.com/diary/who/SweetSunni</a>  Ok, maybe this one will work!</p>
<p>Thank you, Dr. Eades for clearing up that it&#8217;s probably not dangerous (the fat fast) other than feeling like I might FREAK out on any given person by the 3rd day if I eat one more handful of macadamia nuts.</p>
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		<title>By: Megan Bagwell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Megan Bagwell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 02:59:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok, it didn&#039;t take you to MY plate.  Well, if you want to see a low carbing stranger&#039;s plate, my screenname on the site is SweetSunni.  Anyways, I again, I highly recommend it to everyone now, b/c it&#039;s helping me keep track easily.

&lt;em&gt;Got it.  Thanks.&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, it didn&#8217;t take you to MY plate.  Well, if you want to see a low carbing stranger&#8217;s plate, my screenname on the site is SweetSunni.  Anyways, I again, I highly recommend it to everyone now, b/c it&#8217;s helping me keep track easily.</p>
<p><em>Got it.  Thanks.</em></p>
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		<title>By: Megan Bagwell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Megan Bagwell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 02:56:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Everyone needs to check out  www.thedailyplate.com    It&#039;s a great way to count carbs and calories (and fat, protein ).   Anything you eat is already in the database OR you can add it yourself.  I love seeing everything in front of me that way, and even in a little pie chart if you&#039;re really visual!   http://www.thedailyplate.com/users/myplate/?when=2008-06-23  Here you can see MY daily plate today and how awesome this site is!

&lt;em&gt;Yes, it&#039;s a great way, but kind of a PIA (pain in the you know what).  I did fiddle with it though and discovered that my food intake today (rib eye steak, tomato, asparagus, cucumber, about a third of a roast chicken, 3 eggs, 3 slices of bacon, and a half an avocado) provided me with 1437 kcal and 12 grams of usable carbohydrate.  And to think that Ancel Keys&#039; subjects were starving on 1560 low-fat calories.

Thanks for the link.&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Everyone needs to check out  <a href="http://www.thedailyplate.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.thedailyplate.com</a>    It&#8217;s a great way to count carbs and calories (and fat, protein ).   Anything you eat is already in the database OR you can add it yourself.  I love seeing everything in front of me that way, and even in a little pie chart if you&#8217;re really visual!   <a href="http://www.thedailyplate.com/users/myplate/?when=2008-06-23" rel="nofollow">http://www.thedailyplate.com/users/myplate/?when=2008-06-23</a>  Here you can see MY daily plate today and how awesome this site is!</p>
<p><em>Yes, it&#8217;s a great way, but kind of a PIA (pain in the you know what).  I did fiddle with it though and discovered that my food intake today (rib eye steak, tomato, asparagus, cucumber, about a third of a roast chicken, 3 eggs, 3 slices of bacon, and a half an avocado) provided me with 1437 kcal and 12 grams of usable carbohydrate.  And to think that Ancel Keys&#8217; subjects were starving on 1560 low-fat calories.</p>
<p>Thanks for the link.</em></p>
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