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		<title>By: Robert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Mar 2007 23:43:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael,

did you see this? My goodness! Have they no souls?!

&quot;Heart Association Backs Statin Use for At-Risk Kids &quot;

AHA Scientific Statement: Drug Therapy of High-Risk Lipid Abnormalities and Adolescents A Scientific Statement From the American Heart
Atherosclerosis, Hypertension, and Obesity in Youth
of Cardiovascular Disease in the Young, With
Cardiovascular Nursing

Circulation. 2007;115:000-000.)

&lt;em&gt;Hi Robert--&lt;/em&gt;

&lt;em&gt;Yeah, I saw it and read about it.  Disgusting.  As soon as I get the chance, I&#039;m going to put them up for the Reckless Award.&lt;/em&gt;

&lt;em&gt;Cheers&lt;/em&gt;--

&lt;em&gt;MRE &lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael,</p>
<p>did you see this? My goodness! Have they no souls?!</p>
<p>&#8220;Heart Association Backs Statin Use for At-Risk Kids &#8221;</p>
<p>AHA Scientific Statement: Drug Therapy of High-Risk Lipid Abnormalities and Adolescents A Scientific Statement From the American Heart<br />
Atherosclerosis, Hypertension, and Obesity in Youth<br />
of Cardiovascular Disease in the Young, With<br />
Cardiovascular Nursing</p>
<p>Circulation. 2007;115:000-000.)</p>
<p><em>Hi Robert&#8211;</em></p>
<p><em>Yeah, I saw it and read about it.  Disgusting.  As soon as I get the chance, I&#8217;m going to put them up for the Reckless Award.</em></p>
<p><em>Cheers</em>&#8211;</p>
<p><em>MRE </em></p>
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		<title>By: James Hickman</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Hickman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Mar 2007 19:40:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, touche.  But yes, that rule is inviolable.  I guess my name is up there with the Brokebacks and the Bambergers but hopefully the easily distracted among us will someday honor me with a bronze monument beside the number 8 green at Rancho.

&lt;em&gt;I was at Rancho a couple of weeks ago, and the monument is already there.&lt;/em&gt;

&lt;em&gt;Cheers--&lt;/em&gt;

&lt;em&gt;M &lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, touche.  But yes, that rule is inviolable.  I guess my name is up there with the Brokebacks and the Bambergers but hopefully the easily distracted among us will someday honor me with a bronze monument beside the number 8 green at Rancho.</p>
<p><em>I was at Rancho a couple of weeks ago, and the monument is already there.</em></p>
<p><em>Cheers&#8211;</em></p>
<p><em>M </em></p>
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		<title>By: James Hickman</title>
		<link>http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/weight-loss/fen-phen-revenge/#comment-19684</link>
		<dc:creator>James Hickman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Mar 2007 17:47:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Bamberger name is taking a hit these days.  I wonder if this guy is related to one Michael Bamberger, the (talented) writer who agonized long enough about Michelle Wie&#039;s rule infraction in her first tournament playing as a professional to get her disqualified.  (Had he acted in a reasonable amount of time she would have only suffered the two-stroke penalty that she deserved.)  Like your chuckling about Joesph Bamberger, I&#039;m getting a laugh about Michael Bamberger&#039;s name finding it&#039;s way into golf jargon.  Just as hitting a weak, effeminate shot is now known as a &quot;Brokeback&quot;, taking a questionable drop (usually due to ignorance rather than dishonesty) and then having someone disqualify you for it well after the fact is now called a &quot;Bamberger&quot;.  I love that one -- goof up a penalty drop and risk getting &quot;Bambergered&quot; while sipping on a cold one in the clubhouse after the round.

&lt;em&gt;Thank God none of those in the group I play with would do such a thing.  Our only inviolable rule is ABSOLUTE silence when someone is getting ready to putt.  Break that rule and...&lt;/em&gt;

&lt;em&gt;Cheers--&lt;/em&gt;

&lt;em&gt;MRE &lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Bamberger name is taking a hit these days.  I wonder if this guy is related to one Michael Bamberger, the (talented) writer who agonized long enough about Michelle Wie&#8217;s rule infraction in her first tournament playing as a professional to get her disqualified.  (Had he acted in a reasonable amount of time she would have only suffered the two-stroke penalty that she deserved.)  Like your chuckling about Joesph Bamberger, I&#8217;m getting a laugh about Michael Bamberger&#8217;s name finding it&#8217;s way into golf jargon.  Just as hitting a weak, effeminate shot is now known as a &#8220;Brokeback&#8221;, taking a questionable drop (usually due to ignorance rather than dishonesty) and then having someone disqualify you for it well after the fact is now called a &#8220;Bamberger&#8221;.  I love that one &#8212; goof up a penalty drop and risk getting &#8220;Bambergered&#8221; while sipping on a cold one in the clubhouse after the round.</p>
<p><em>Thank God none of those in the group I play with would do such a thing.  Our only inviolable rule is ABSOLUTE silence when someone is getting ready to putt.  Break that rule and&#8230;</em></p>
<p><em>Cheers&#8211;</em></p>
<p><em>MRE </em></p>
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		<title>By: simon Fellows</title>
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		<dc:creator>simon Fellows</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Mar 2007 06:51:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Certainly so long as its not the title and i&#039;ll be wanting the obligatory few free copies if please and actually come to think of it a BMW 1200 Adventure would be a nice little thankyou too.

Pray how did you manage to find out how much Olestra is in the stuff ?

We wait with bated breath

Hi Simon--

I found the most recent paper on olestra I could find and started tracking back through the references listed, pulling those papers, checking those citations on back until I finally found a 1998 JAMA &lt;a href=&quot;http://jama.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/abstract/279/2/150&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;paper&lt;/a&gt; with the information I wanted.  Here is the relevant excerpt:
&lt;blockquote&gt;Overall preference for olestra potato chips was slightly lower, and this is probably reflected in the 22% lower chip consumption in the olestra group. Despite lower consumption, the olestra group reported being no less satiated than the TG chip group. This suggests a previously reported7 possibility that olestra use will reduce energy and fat intake, aiding weight control in those who consume potato chips. While the median consumption of olestra chips was less than TG chips, it was more than 57 g (2 oz), which is more than a typical single-serving snack-sized bag of chips, and there were 155 subjects who consumed more than 113 g (4 oz) of olestra chips (&gt;33 g of olestra). Thus, the consumption levels were adequate to ensure that enough olestra was consumed to evaluate potential GI effects. However, even in the participants consuming more than 113 g (4 oz), there were no differences observed in the frequency or severity of reported GI symptoms between groups, nor was there any indication of a dose-response relationship of increasing symptoms with higher consumption levels in either test group. The 2 statistically significant findings (increased upset stomach in the 0- to 57-g [0- to 2-oz] olestra group and increased incidence of any symptom in the 57- to 113-g [2- to 4-oz] TG group) appear likely to be due to random variation.

The information label on olestra products states that &quot;olestra may cause loose stools and abdominal cramping.&quot; The current study findings do not support this statement. The label primarily reflects the results from 2 clinical studies in which subjects were required to consume olestra at every meal for 56 consecutive days. In those studies there were statistically significant increases (19%-42%) in mild to moderate GI symptoms in persons eating &lt;em&gt;20 or 32 g of olestra per day in foods (equivalent to 68-111 g [2.4-3.9 oz] of chips&lt;/em&gt; relative to the current study) compared with placebo subjects. [My italics]&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Based on these figures, it calculates out that there is about 8.3 grams of olestra in an ounce of chips.

Cheers--

MRE</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Certainly so long as its not the title and i&#8217;ll be wanting the obligatory few free copies if please and actually come to think of it a BMW 1200 Adventure would be a nice little thankyou too.</p>
<p>Pray how did you manage to find out how much Olestra is in the stuff ?</p>
<p>We wait with bated breath</p>
<p>Hi Simon&#8211;</p>
<p>I found the most recent paper on olestra I could find and started tracking back through the references listed, pulling those papers, checking those citations on back until I finally found a 1998 JAMA <a href="http://jama.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/abstract/279/2/150" rel="nofollow">paper</a> with the information I wanted.  Here is the relevant excerpt:</p>
<blockquote><p>Overall preference for olestra potato chips was slightly lower, and this is probably reflected in the 22% lower chip consumption in the olestra group. Despite lower consumption, the olestra group reported being no less satiated than the TG chip group. This suggests a previously reported7 possibility that olestra use will reduce energy and fat intake, aiding weight control in those who consume potato chips. While the median consumption of olestra chips was less than TG chips, it was more than 57 g (2 oz), which is more than a typical single-serving snack-sized bag of chips, and there were 155 subjects who consumed more than 113 g (4 oz) of olestra chips (>33 g of olestra). Thus, the consumption levels were adequate to ensure that enough olestra was consumed to evaluate potential GI effects. However, even in the participants consuming more than 113 g (4 oz), there were no differences observed in the frequency or severity of reported GI symptoms between groups, nor was there any indication of a dose-response relationship of increasing symptoms with higher consumption levels in either test group. The 2 statistically significant findings (increased upset stomach in the 0- to 57-g [0- to 2-oz] olestra group and increased incidence of any symptom in the 57- to 113-g [2- to 4-oz] TG group) appear likely to be due to random variation.</p>
<p>The information label on olestra products states that &#8220;olestra may cause loose stools and abdominal cramping.&#8221; The current study findings do not support this statement. The label primarily reflects the results from 2 clinical studies in which subjects were required to consume olestra at every meal for 56 consecutive days. In those studies there were statistically significant increases (19%-42%) in mild to moderate GI symptoms in persons eating <em>20 or 32 g of olestra per day in foods (equivalent to 68-111 g [2.4-3.9 oz] of chips</em> relative to the current study) compared with placebo subjects. [My italics]</p></blockquote>
<p>Based on these figures, it calculates out that there is about 8.3 grams of olestra in an ounce of chips.</p>
<p>Cheers&#8211;</p>
<p>MRE</p>
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		<title>By: simon Fellows</title>
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		<dc:creator>simon Fellows</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Mar 2007 03:21:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sir thanks.
I looked online, at shops(x3), emailed P et G and of course could only come to the prev mentioned 10 gms simply  as its the replacement for the 10 gram of non-shite-inducing fat ordinaire.

Rightly or wrongly i&#039;ll yr concs  as corroboration

Thanks much yr sleuthing.

&lt;em&gt;Hi Simon--&lt;/em&gt;

&lt;em&gt;...&quot;non-shite-inducing fat ordinaire.&quot;  Sounds so much better than saturated fat.  May I use it in the next book?&lt;/em&gt;

&lt;em&gt;Cheers--&lt;/em&gt;

&lt;em&gt;MRE &lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sir thanks.<br />
I looked online, at shops(x3), emailed P et G and of course could only come to the prev mentioned 10 gms simply  as its the replacement for the 10 gram of non-shite-inducing fat ordinaire.</p>
<p>Rightly or wrongly i&#8217;ll yr concs  as corroboration</p>
<p>Thanks much yr sleuthing.</p>
<p><em>Hi Simon&#8211;</em></p>
<p><em>&#8230;&#8221;non-shite-inducing fat ordinaire.&#8221;  Sounds so much better than saturated fat.  May I use it in the next book?</em></p>
<p><em>Cheers&#8211;</em></p>
<p><em>MRE </em></p>
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