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		<title>By: Nathania</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nathania</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jan 2010 21:37:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I disagree with the idea that half the people on TV are overweight. At least, not most women on scripted dramas/sitcoms. It&#039;s kind of &quot;ok&quot; for men to be. But women still have to be scary thin. You know, not even lean. And that, I think, encourages women to try out a bunch of fad diets (mostly low-fat) that cause the opposite of what&#039;s desired.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I disagree with the idea that half the people on TV are overweight. At least, not most women on scripted dramas/sitcoms. It&#8217;s kind of &#8220;ok&#8221; for men to be. But women still have to be scary thin. You know, not even lean. And that, I think, encourages women to try out a bunch of fad diets (mostly low-fat) that cause the opposite of what&#8217;s desired.</p>
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		<title>By: Elaine Campbell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elaine Campbell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Oct 2009 22:55:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I meant VAT fat?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I meant VAT fat?</p>
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		<title>By: Elaine Campbell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elaine Campbell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Oct 2009 22:54:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I did the 6 weeks, lost 3.5 &quot; on my lying down measurement.  I want to alternate between the 3 shakes and a meal one day, pp maintenance the next day-will I still lose FAT fat doing that?

&lt;em&gt;Everyone is different, but you should continue losing just fine.&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I did the 6 weeks, lost 3.5 &#8221; on my lying down measurement.  I want to alternate between the 3 shakes and a meal one day, pp maintenance the next day-will I still lose FAT fat doing that?</p>
<p><em>Everyone is different, but you should continue losing just fine.</em></p>
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		<title>By: Sahib Agha Amir</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sahib Agha Amir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Sep 2009 00:30:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now apparently even actresses are &quot;sexy&quot; with a big belly: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,551343,00.html.  Perhaps you should send Ms. Aniston a copy of your new book!

&lt;em&gt;I wouldn&#039;t exactly say she&#039;s obese, but a large belly starts with a little pooch.  And 40 clearly is getting into middle-age range, so she may be suffering the same effects as the rest of us.&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now apparently even actresses are &#8220;sexy&#8221; with a big belly: <a href="http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,551343,00.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,551343,00.html</a>.  Perhaps you should send Ms. Aniston a copy of your new book!</p>
<p><em>I wouldn&#8217;t exactly say she&#8217;s obese, but a large belly starts with a little pooch.  And 40 clearly is getting into middle-age range, so she may be suffering the same effects as the rest of us.</em></p>
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		<title>By: Dan McVicker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan McVicker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 14:02:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dr. Eades,

I just bought the book this weekend, and it is good stuff. I had been using a protocol similar to the first phase (weeks 1-2)  of the plan. (In fact, it was partially based on your book &quot;Thin So Fast&quot;). 

 A few of the major differences were these: 1) I used high levels of fish oil, where I don&#039;t see that as being recommended at all in your new book. 2) I consumed nut butter one time a day (mostly almond, but also some peanut). 3) I used a blend of whey and casein to promote satiety. 

The solid meal was meat + green veggies, so essentially the same. 

I had great success with this plan, and I have high hopes for following your new version of it. I am willing to forgo the nut butters and the megadoses of fish oil in lieu of organic cream/coconut milk, however, I&#039;m curious about your recommendation to use whey instead of a whey-casein blend. I find that I am hungry pretty quickly if I drink a purely whey shake, yet a casein shake &quot;sticks to the ribs&quot; a bit better. 

So, two part question:

1. Is there a reason you didn&#039;t recommend casein as one of the components of the shake?
2. Do you think that using a whey/casein blend will hamper any aspect of the first two weeks? 

I did a search, but the only information was on using casein to maintain after fat loss (dating back to 2005). 

Dan McVicker

&lt;em&gt;Casein protein isn&#039;t a problem in the shakes.  If they make you feel fuller, go for it.  We&#039;re just so used to whey protein that that&#039;s what we think of as shake material.  A whey/casein blend shouldn&#039;t hamper anything.  Sorry for the confusion.&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr. Eades,</p>
<p>I just bought the book this weekend, and it is good stuff. I had been using a protocol similar to the first phase (weeks 1-2)  of the plan. (In fact, it was partially based on your book &#8220;Thin So Fast&#8221;). </p>
<p> A few of the major differences were these: 1) I used high levels of fish oil, where I don&#8217;t see that as being recommended at all in your new book. 2) I consumed nut butter one time a day (mostly almond, but also some peanut). 3) I used a blend of whey and casein to promote satiety. </p>
<p>The solid meal was meat + green veggies, so essentially the same. </p>
<p>I had great success with this plan, and I have high hopes for following your new version of it. I am willing to forgo the nut butters and the megadoses of fish oil in lieu of organic cream/coconut milk, however, I&#8217;m curious about your recommendation to use whey instead of a whey-casein blend. I find that I am hungry pretty quickly if I drink a purely whey shake, yet a casein shake &#8220;sticks to the ribs&#8221; a bit better. </p>
<p>So, two part question:</p>
<p>1. Is there a reason you didn&#8217;t recommend casein as one of the components of the shake?<br />
2. Do you think that using a whey/casein blend will hamper any aspect of the first two weeks? </p>
<p>I did a search, but the only information was on using casein to maintain after fat loss (dating back to 2005). </p>
<p>Dan McVicker</p>
<p><em>Casein protein isn&#8217;t a problem in the shakes.  If they make you feel fuller, go for it.  We&#8217;re just so used to whey protein that that&#8217;s what we think of as shake material.  A whey/casein blend shouldn&#8217;t hamper anything.  Sorry for the confusion.</em></p>
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		<title>By: Dana</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 08:09:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, with your responses to that other commenter about oxidized cholesterol in cooked meat, if someone wanted to be really anal-retentive about their cholesterol intake, the obvious answer is raw meat.  What about chemical cooking, though?  Like, in the Nourishing Traditions book, they have several recipes for fermented raw meat.  That&#039;s basically an acid &quot;cooking&quot; the exposed surfaces, like what happens when you leave a steak in a lemon juice- or vinegar-based marinade for a while.

If you could trust the meat source, I would think that would just about suffice for food prep most of the time.  If a person liked raw meat, that is.  My favorite cut currently is the flatiron cut, and I cook the outside just enough to take care of any bad germ issues but the inside might as well be raw.  Mmmmm.

Re: the tryptophan thing... it converts to serotonin, then to melatonin.  But it only makes that last conversion in darkness.  Someone having trouble sleeping could try making their bedroom completely dark (or as near to it as possible) before they try bedtime tea with sugar.

Have you ever read Lights Out:  Sleep, Sugar, and Survival?  The author is a bit of a crackpot about replacement hormone therapy for postmenopausal women (if menopause is so bad for you, why do we go through it at all?), but she has some very interesting things to say about the relationship between indoor lighting, sleep habits, and hormone/neurotransmitter balance.  I do know that when I&#039;m high-carbing it I get insomnia a lot more often.  And I sleep better since I moved to a new place with a darker bedroom.

&lt;em&gt;I, too, like flatiron steaks cooked lightly.  To cook them sous vide is the best.  Tenderizes them so you end up with the great taste of that cut of steak and the tenderness of a filet.

I did read the book Lights Out years ago, but to tell you the truth, I can&#039;t remember much about it.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, with your responses to that other commenter about oxidized cholesterol in cooked meat, if someone wanted to be really anal-retentive about their cholesterol intake, the obvious answer is raw meat.  What about chemical cooking, though?  Like, in the Nourishing Traditions book, they have several recipes for fermented raw meat.  That&#8217;s basically an acid &#8220;cooking&#8221; the exposed surfaces, like what happens when you leave a steak in a lemon juice- or vinegar-based marinade for a while.</p>
<p>If you could trust the meat source, I would think that would just about suffice for food prep most of the time.  If a person liked raw meat, that is.  My favorite cut currently is the flatiron cut, and I cook the outside just enough to take care of any bad germ issues but the inside might as well be raw.  Mmmmm.</p>
<p>Re: the tryptophan thing&#8230; it converts to serotonin, then to melatonin.  But it only makes that last conversion in darkness.  Someone having trouble sleeping could try making their bedroom completely dark (or as near to it as possible) before they try bedtime tea with sugar.</p>
<p>Have you ever read Lights Out:  Sleep, Sugar, and Survival?  The author is a bit of a crackpot about replacement hormone therapy for postmenopausal women (if menopause is so bad for you, why do we go through it at all?), but she has some very interesting things to say about the relationship between indoor lighting, sleep habits, and hormone/neurotransmitter balance.  I do know that when I&#8217;m high-carbing it I get insomnia a lot more often.  And I sleep better since I moved to a new place with a darker bedroom.</p>
<p><em>I, too, like flatiron steaks cooked lightly.  To cook them sous vide is the best.  Tenderizes them so you end up with the great taste of that cut of steak and the tenderness of a filet.</p>
<p>I did read the book Lights Out years ago, but to tell you the truth, I can&#8217;t remember much about it.</em><em></em></p>
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		<title>By: Dana</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 07:58:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve G&#039;s remark about tans reminds me of reading Gone With The Wind and how it was considered &quot;white-trashy&quot; in the South during the antebellum period to be a woman with a tan or freckles.  For the same reason--it meant you were an outdoor worker, thus poor.

I&#039;m about tearing my hair out over the fat acceptance blogs stating there is no obesity epidemic because they changed the BMI charts.  I think I can see who&#039;s fat and who isn&#039;t without a chart, thank you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve G&#8217;s remark about tans reminds me of reading Gone With The Wind and how it was considered &#8220;white-trashy&#8221; in the South during the antebellum period to be a woman with a tan or freckles.  For the same reason&#8211;it meant you were an outdoor worker, thus poor.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m about tearing my hair out over the fat acceptance blogs stating there is no obesity epidemic because they changed the BMI charts.  I think I can see who&#8217;s fat and who isn&#8217;t without a chart, thank you.</p>
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		<title>By: ItsTheWooo</title>
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		<dc:creator>ItsTheWooo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Sep 2009 06:37:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Beg to differ, but excess skin does not &quot;shrink to fit your new body&quot; when we are talking about significant weight losses such as the 110 pounds the poster had lost.

I&#039;ve been waiting 7 years, and it ain&#039;t happening, lol. The only thing that has helped (besides the lower body lift I had 2 years ago) is the replacement physiological levels of leptin as part of an experimental study. 

Other than damaged/redundant skin cells a major reason skin looks loose after weight loss is the fact that hyperinsulinemia causes white fat cells to multiply like a tumor in certain areas of the body - those prone to severe obesity (this is genetically determined). Leptin has helped as leptin induces white fat cell apotosis, which helps even out the appearance of the body and &quot;loose skin&quot;. 
Unfortunately, maintaining massive weight loss results in a state of hypoleptinemia. Ignorant of the potential for morbid obesity induced by an unnatural diet, the body was designed to maintain its highest weights, it seems. It suppresses leptin production when fat cells are too small, even if total fat in kilos is normal.

But, generally speaking, no the skin does not snap back. It improves with time (because rapid weight loss related  malnutrition cause skin to look unfortunate) but in the case of significant obesity it is unrealistic to expect a body as if it were never obese.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Beg to differ, but excess skin does not &#8220;shrink to fit your new body&#8221; when we are talking about significant weight losses such as the 110 pounds the poster had lost.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been waiting 7 years, and it ain&#8217;t happening, lol. The only thing that has helped (besides the lower body lift I had 2 years ago) is the replacement physiological levels of leptin as part of an experimental study. </p>
<p>Other than damaged/redundant skin cells a major reason skin looks loose after weight loss is the fact that hyperinsulinemia causes white fat cells to multiply like a tumor in certain areas of the body &#8211; those prone to severe obesity (this is genetically determined). Leptin has helped as leptin induces white fat cell apotosis, which helps even out the appearance of the body and &#8220;loose skin&#8221;.<br />
Unfortunately, maintaining massive weight loss results in a state of hypoleptinemia. Ignorant of the potential for morbid obesity induced by an unnatural diet, the body was designed to maintain its highest weights, it seems. It suppresses leptin production when fat cells are too small, even if total fat in kilos is normal.</p>
<p>But, generally speaking, no the skin does not snap back. It improves with time (because rapid weight loss related  malnutrition cause skin to look unfortunate) but in the case of significant obesity it is unrealistic to expect a body as if it were never obese.</p>
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		<title>By: Pat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 20:36:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dr. Mike,
  I noticed your comment on the amount of protein per shake above. I am using Jay Robb whey at 1gr carb per scoop. I was using 2 scoops based on the 160 weight and my protein per shake is 50 plus once a day I use a egg in it. I am also taking a couple boiled eggs and a pickle. This is my second day and things are going quite well. So I guess I am wondering how much protein I should be getting per shake.
    Thanks Pat

&lt;em&gt;Sounds like your protein is a little high.  I would stick it more in the 30 g per shake range.  The egg adds only about 6 g of protein, so I would use it in the calculations.  But you don&#039;t really need the egg unless your not eating any meat at all as part of your program.&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr. Mike,<br />
  I noticed your comment on the amount of protein per shake above. I am using Jay Robb whey at 1gr carb per scoop. I was using 2 scoops based on the 160 weight and my protein per shake is 50 plus once a day I use a egg in it. I am also taking a couple boiled eggs and a pickle. This is my second day and things are going quite well. So I guess I am wondering how much protein I should be getting per shake.<br />
    Thanks Pat</p>
<p><em>Sounds like your protein is a little high.  I would stick it more in the 30 g per shake range.  The egg adds only about 6 g of protein, so I would use it in the calculations.  But you don&#8217;t really need the egg unless your not eating any meat at all as part of your program.</em></p>
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		<title>By: LCforevah</title>
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		<dc:creator>LCforevah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 15:33:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, Dr Mike, since I&#039;m 5&#039; 2&quot;, it would be better for me to take two scoops for 48g total, rather than the three at 72g?
Because I&#039;m feeling pretty darn full after each of those 72g shakes!

&lt;em&gt;I would go with the smaller shake if you&#039;re only 5&#039; 2&quot;.&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, Dr Mike, since I&#8217;m 5&#8242; 2&#8243;, it would be better for me to take two scoops for 48g total, rather than the three at 72g?<br />
Because I&#8217;m feeling pretty darn full after each of those 72g shakes!</p>
<p><em>I would go with the smaller shake if you&#8217;re only 5&#8242; 2&#8243;.</em></p>
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