<?xml version="1.0" encoding="ISO-8859-1"?><rss version="2.0"
	xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/"
	xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/"
	xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"
	xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/"
		>
<channel>
	<title>Comments on: Where vegetarianism can lead if not treated properly</title>
	<atom:link href="http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/uncategorized/where-vegetarianism-can-lead-if-not-treated-properly/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" />
	<link>http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/uncategorized/where-vegetarianism-can-lead-if-not-treated-properly/</link>
	<description>A critical look at nutritional science and anything else that strikes my fancy.</description>
	<lastBuildDate>Sat, 20 Mar 2010 18:01:54 +0000</lastBuildDate>
	<generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2</generator>
	<sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod>
	<sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency>
	<xhtml:meta xmlns:xhtml="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" name="robots" content="noindex" />
	<item>
		<title>By: Cynthia</title>
		<link>http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/uncategorized/where-vegetarianism-can-lead-if-not-treated-properly/#comment-16723</link>
		<dc:creator>Cynthia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Mar 2007 17:05:56 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/?p=560#comment-16723</guid>
		<description>Thanks! I just love your site but this post?  Gah!!  Where do you find the time?  But sure glad you do.

Cynthia in Seattle

&lt;em&gt;Hi Cynthia--&lt;/em&gt;

&lt;em&gt;Thanks for the kind words about the site.  I carve the time out of the time I formerly used for reading.&lt;/em&gt;

&lt;em&gt;Cheers--&lt;/em&gt;

&lt;em&gt;MRE &lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks! I just love your site but this post?  Gah!!  Where do you find the time?  But sure glad you do.</p>
<p>Cynthia in Seattle</p>
<p><em>Hi Cynthia&#8211;</em></p>
<p><em>Thanks for the kind words about the site.  I carve the time out of the time I formerly used for reading.</em></p>
<p><em>Cheers&#8211;</em></p>
<p><em>MRE </em></p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Anne</title>
		<link>http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/uncategorized/where-vegetarianism-can-lead-if-not-treated-properly/#comment-16410</link>
		<dc:creator>Anne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Mar 2007 18:27:18 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/?p=560#comment-16410</guid>
		<description>Erm wow.  Weight aside, notice how pasty and unhealthy the complexions look.

Ha...in my book veganism is an eating disorder anyway.  I say we campaign to get it added to the DSM-V alongside bullemia and anorexia nervosa.

&lt;em&gt;Hi Anne--&lt;/em&gt;

&lt;em&gt;Yeah, they do look pasty.  I think the same gene that when mutated codes for vegetarianism also codes for sun avoidance.  They are obviously vitamin D deficient.&lt;/em&gt;

&lt;em&gt;Cheers--&lt;/em&gt;

&lt;em&gt;MRE &lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Erm wow.  Weight aside, notice how pasty and unhealthy the complexions look.</p>
<p>Ha&#8230;in my book veganism is an eating disorder anyway.  I say we campaign to get it added to the DSM-V alongside bullemia and anorexia nervosa.</p>
<p><em>Hi Anne&#8211;</em></p>
<p><em>Yeah, they do look pasty.  I think the same gene that when mutated codes for vegetarianism also codes for sun avoidance.  They are obviously vitamin D deficient.</em></p>
<p><em>Cheers&#8211;</em></p>
<p><em>MRE </em></p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Brad</title>
		<link>http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/uncategorized/where-vegetarianism-can-lead-if-not-treated-properly/#comment-16345</link>
		<dc:creator>Brad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Mar 2007 13:10:37 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/?p=560#comment-16345</guid>
		<description>A friend, a vegetarian (not idealogical, but just because she doesn&#039;t like meat), was apparently told by her doctor that she might not have enough milk for her twins, and it likely wouldn&#039;t have enough fat and protein in it, so she&#039;d probably have to supplement with formula.

To me, this would be a clear signal to &lt;strong&gt;start&lt;/strong&gt; eating meat, even if I had never done so before.

Having met several women in my life who were breastfeeding two babies at a time, it seems likely that feeding even twins would not be a problem if she were eating a protein rich diet, like she was designed to do.

Oh, and while I like a good prime rib now and again, count me for a nice thick porterhouse, as my dad used to say, &quot;run through a hot kitchen&quot;.

Brad

&lt;em&gt;Hi Brad--&lt;/em&gt;

&lt;em&gt;In my opinion your diagnosis of the vegetarian woman trying to breast feed two kids is spot on.  A woman needs both fat and protein--both of which come from meat--to produce a good quantity and quality of breast milk.  It&#039;s a shame to see something like you describe take place. she should learn to like meat--it can be done.
&lt;/em&gt;

&lt;em&gt;I love porterhouse steaks, too.  But run mine through the hot kitchen twice--I like them medium rare.&lt;/em&gt;

&lt;em&gt;Cheers--&lt;/em&gt;

&lt;em&gt;MRE &lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A friend, a vegetarian (not idealogical, but just because she doesn&#8217;t like meat), was apparently told by her doctor that she might not have enough milk for her twins, and it likely wouldn&#8217;t have enough fat and protein in it, so she&#8217;d probably have to supplement with formula.</p>
<p>To me, this would be a clear signal to <strong>start</strong> eating meat, even if I had never done so before.</p>
<p>Having met several women in my life who were breastfeeding two babies at a time, it seems likely that feeding even twins would not be a problem if she were eating a protein rich diet, like she was designed to do.</p>
<p>Oh, and while I like a good prime rib now and again, count me for a nice thick porterhouse, as my dad used to say, &#8220;run through a hot kitchen&#8221;.</p>
<p>Brad</p>
<p><em>Hi Brad&#8211;</em></p>
<p><em>In my opinion your diagnosis of the vegetarian woman trying to breast feed two kids is spot on.  A woman needs both fat and protein&#8211;both of which come from meat&#8211;to produce a good quantity and quality of breast milk.  It&#8217;s a shame to see something like you describe take place. she should learn to like meat&#8211;it can be done.<br />
</em></p>
<p><em>I love porterhouse steaks, too.  But run mine through the hot kitchen twice&#8211;I like them medium rare.</em></p>
<p><em>Cheers&#8211;</em></p>
<p><em>MRE </em></p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Patricia</title>
		<link>http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/uncategorized/where-vegetarianism-can-lead-if-not-treated-properly/#comment-16229</link>
		<dc:creator>Patricia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Mar 2007 19:10:50 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/?p=560#comment-16229</guid>
		<description>I&#039;d say a lot of those people on the VegPorn site have more issues than not wanting to eat meat.  It was also funny how many of the so-called vegans put down &quot;ice cream&quot; as a guilty pleasure.  Um ... okay.

&lt;em&gt;Hi Patricia--&lt;/em&gt;

&lt;em&gt;I wonder where they think the cream in ice cream comes from.  Many of them look as if they indulge in their guilty pleasure quite often.&lt;/em&gt;

&lt;em&gt;Cheers--&lt;/em&gt;

&lt;em&gt;MRE &lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d say a lot of those people on the VegPorn site have more issues than not wanting to eat meat.  It was also funny how many of the so-called vegans put down &#8220;ice cream&#8221; as a guilty pleasure.  Um &#8230; okay.</p>
<p><em>Hi Patricia&#8211;</em></p>
<p><em>I wonder where they think the cream in ice cream comes from.  Many of them look as if they indulge in their guilty pleasure quite often.</em></p>
<p><em>Cheers&#8211;</em></p>
<p><em>MRE </em></p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Amy</title>
		<link>http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/uncategorized/where-vegetarianism-can-lead-if-not-treated-properly/#comment-15923</link>
		<dc:creator>Amy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Mar 2007 04:41:25 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/?p=560#comment-15923</guid>
		<description>I worked with a woman several years ago who wouldn&#039;t eat anything that used to have face.

She would eat shellfish however and maybe squid. Strange woman indeed.

&lt;em&gt;Hmmm.  I&#039;ve heard of beady-eyed vegetarians, which are those that will only eat animals with beady eyes, i.e. fish, chicken, turkey, etc.  I guess what your describing would be a faceless vegetarian.&lt;/em&gt;

&lt;em&gt;I can only begin to imagine how strange the woman could have been. &lt;/em&gt;

&lt;em&gt;Cheers--&lt;/em&gt;

&lt;em&gt;MRE &lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I worked with a woman several years ago who wouldn&#8217;t eat anything that used to have face.</p>
<p>She would eat shellfish however and maybe squid. Strange woman indeed.</p>
<p><em>Hmmm.  I&#8217;ve heard of beady-eyed vegetarians, which are those that will only eat animals with beady eyes, i.e. fish, chicken, turkey, etc.  I guess what your describing would be a faceless vegetarian.</em></p>
<p><em>I can only begin to imagine how strange the woman could have been. </em></p>
<p><em>Cheers&#8211;</em></p>
<p><em>MRE </em></p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: James Hickman</title>
		<link>http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/uncategorized/where-vegetarianism-can-lead-if-not-treated-properly/#comment-15916</link>
		<dc:creator>James Hickman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Mar 2007 03:37:27 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/?p=560#comment-15916</guid>
		<description>Just when I thought your blog couldn&#039;t possibly get any better, you serve up this hilarious post -- nice going.

The Eco-friendly sex thing is not my cup of tea.

First off, the lights stay on.  I want to see the action and I don&#039;t think the mirrors on my ceiling are going to have the desired effect in total darkness.

Second, I&#039;m getting on in years so I don&#039;t care where my wood comes from or how it&#039;s harvested; I just care that I can bring it when I need it.

Third, I&#039;m supposed to be worried about rapidly renewing my fibres?  Refer back to the second point if there&#039;s any doubt as to the only item I care about renewing muy rapido.

Fourth and last, I couldn&#039;t bring myself to click on any of the pictures from the Eco-Veggie porn site -- not even the Furry Chica.

Nope, it&#039;s not my cup of tea.  I prefer mine roasted nice and hot and flavorful.  You won&#039;t find any green tea in my bedroom.

&lt;em&gt;Are you not even willing to try the bamboo sheets that everyone seems to be so fond of?  It probably beats the heck out of those polyester ones you&#039;re used to.  And since you don&#039;t like the dark, perhaps a solar-powered vibrator?
&lt;/em&gt;

&lt;em&gt;Cheers--&lt;/em&gt;

&lt;em&gt;M &lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just when I thought your blog couldn&#8217;t possibly get any better, you serve up this hilarious post &#8212; nice going.</p>
<p>The Eco-friendly sex thing is not my cup of tea.</p>
<p>First off, the lights stay on.  I want to see the action and I don&#8217;t think the mirrors on my ceiling are going to have the desired effect in total darkness.</p>
<p>Second, I&#8217;m getting on in years so I don&#8217;t care where my wood comes from or how it&#8217;s harvested; I just care that I can bring it when I need it.</p>
<p>Third, I&#8217;m supposed to be worried about rapidly renewing my fibres?  Refer back to the second point if there&#8217;s any doubt as to the only item I care about renewing muy rapido.</p>
<p>Fourth and last, I couldn&#8217;t bring myself to click on any of the pictures from the Eco-Veggie porn site &#8212; not even the Furry Chica.</p>
<p>Nope, it&#8217;s not my cup of tea.  I prefer mine roasted nice and hot and flavorful.  You won&#8217;t find any green tea in my bedroom.</p>
<p><em>Are you not even willing to try the bamboo sheets that everyone seems to be so fond of?  It probably beats the heck out of those polyester ones you&#8217;re used to.  And since you don&#8217;t like the dark, perhaps a solar-powered vibrator?<br />
</em></p>
<p><em>Cheers&#8211;</em></p>
<p><em>M </em></p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: James</title>
		<link>http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/uncategorized/where-vegetarianism-can-lead-if-not-treated-properly/#comment-15906</link>
		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Mar 2007 02:30:42 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/?p=560#comment-15906</guid>
		<description>Seems some &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/asiapcf/03/07/cow.eats.chickens.reut/index.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;livestock&lt;/a&gt; have been following your blog...
Good times.  :)

&lt;em&gt;Hi James--&lt;/em&gt;

&lt;em&gt;Thanks for the link.  I&#039;m glad to see that at least some vegetarians are smart enough to profit from the right information.&lt;/em&gt;

&lt;em&gt;Cheers--&lt;/em&gt;

&lt;em&gt;MRE &lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seems some <a href="http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/asiapcf/03/07/cow.eats.chickens.reut/index.html" rel="nofollow">livestock</a> have been following your blog&#8230;<br />
Good times.  <img src='http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p><em>Hi James&#8211;</em></p>
<p><em>Thanks for the link.  I&#8217;m glad to see that at least some vegetarians are smart enough to profit from the right information.</em></p>
<p><em>Cheers&#8211;</em></p>
<p><em>MRE </em></p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: WJH</title>
		<link>http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/uncategorized/where-vegetarianism-can-lead-if-not-treated-properly/#comment-15876</link>
		<dc:creator>WJH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Mar 2007 22:15:18 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/?p=560#comment-15876</guid>
		<description>The Google ads on this post are kinda funny in context :)

I was vegetarian/vegan for 10+ years (just because I disagreed with the treatment of most farm animals). I don&#039;t know how that diet seems to work for so many people; the vegetarian diet was a disaster for me. I gained a lot of fat, seemed to be developing high blood pressure and just generally felt terrible a good bit of the time. I spent a lot of time reading the nutrtition guidelines from various sources and followed them (including the &quot;vegan food pyramid&quot;). Even when I was making an effort to get &quot;adequate&quot;  protein I still had issues. I&#039;ll admit that I didn&#039;t get nearly enough exercise but the energy drain made that difficult.

I&#039;ve adjusted my eating based on the guidelines presented in &quot;Protein Power&quot; and there&#039;s no doubt in my mind that it&#039;s the most sound way to go. It turned things around for me within days. I&#039;ve tried to do it and still be vegan but it&#039;s admittedly quite difficult so I&#039;ve gone back to eating meat. Doing PP in a vegetarian way (with eggs etc. still in the mix) did seem to &quot;work&quot;, though it seemed to be better/easier to just eat meat. It&#039;s been a tough choice but I&#039;d find it difficult to go back to being vegetarian for those health reasons. I&#039;m working on reconciling that with conscience :)

I&#039;ve not really been a member of &quot;the (vegetarian) community&quot; per se but I have frequented web sites, mailing lists etc. and been to several vegetarian establishments. I&#039;ve encountered a lot of quasi-cultish belief systems; they seem fairly prominent in some of those circles and that&#039;s rather unfortunate, given what the consequences can be to one&#039;s health.

On the &quot;eco-&quot; side of it, this obsession over the various details as if in aid of some kind of &quot;purification&quot; seem to be entirely symptomatic of the same mindset. I&#039;ll admit to getting a little caught in it myself at times, but I&#039;m feeling much better now :)

I think that this enforces a sort of subculture mindset that can allow various things to be more accepted in the demographic. So then you end up with....well, &quot;this&quot; :)

&lt;em&gt;Hi WJH--&lt;/em&gt;

&lt;em&gt;Thanks for the interesting comment.  I&#039;m glad you&#039;re doing better.&lt;/em&gt;

&lt;em&gt;Cheers--&lt;/em&gt;

&lt;em&gt;MRE &lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Google ads on this post are kinda funny in context <img src='http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I was vegetarian/vegan for 10+ years (just because I disagreed with the treatment of most farm animals). I don&#8217;t know how that diet seems to work for so many people; the vegetarian diet was a disaster for me. I gained a lot of fat, seemed to be developing high blood pressure and just generally felt terrible a good bit of the time. I spent a lot of time reading the nutrtition guidelines from various sources and followed them (including the &#8220;vegan food pyramid&#8221;). Even when I was making an effort to get &#8220;adequate&#8221;  protein I still had issues. I&#8217;ll admit that I didn&#8217;t get nearly enough exercise but the energy drain made that difficult.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve adjusted my eating based on the guidelines presented in &#8220;Protein Power&#8221; and there&#8217;s no doubt in my mind that it&#8217;s the most sound way to go. It turned things around for me within days. I&#8217;ve tried to do it and still be vegan but it&#8217;s admittedly quite difficult so I&#8217;ve gone back to eating meat. Doing PP in a vegetarian way (with eggs etc. still in the mix) did seem to &#8220;work&#8221;, though it seemed to be better/easier to just eat meat. It&#8217;s been a tough choice but I&#8217;d find it difficult to go back to being vegetarian for those health reasons. I&#8217;m working on reconciling that with conscience <img src='http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve not really been a member of &#8220;the (vegetarian) community&#8221; per se but I have frequented web sites, mailing lists etc. and been to several vegetarian establishments. I&#8217;ve encountered a lot of quasi-cultish belief systems; they seem fairly prominent in some of those circles and that&#8217;s rather unfortunate, given what the consequences can be to one&#8217;s health.</p>
<p>On the &#8220;eco-&#8221; side of it, this obsession over the various details as if in aid of some kind of &#8220;purification&#8221; seem to be entirely symptomatic of the same mindset. I&#8217;ll admit to getting a little caught in it myself at times, but I&#8217;m feeling much better now <img src='http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I think that this enforces a sort of subculture mindset that can allow various things to be more accepted in the demographic. So then you end up with&#8230;.well, &#8220;this&#8221; <img src='http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p><em>Hi WJH&#8211;</em></p>
<p><em>Thanks for the interesting comment.  I&#8217;m glad you&#8217;re doing better.</em></p>
<p><em>Cheers&#8211;</em></p>
<p><em>MRE </em></p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Esther</title>
		<link>http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/uncategorized/where-vegetarianism-can-lead-if-not-treated-properly/#comment-15870</link>
		<dc:creator>Esther</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Mar 2007 21:54:53 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/?p=560#comment-15870</guid>
		<description>Just got &lt;a href=&quot;http://joyoftech.com/joyoftech/joyarchives/932.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this&lt;/a&gt; from a friend and thought you&#039;d like it if you haven&#039;t seen it yet.

&lt;em&gt;Hi Esther--&lt;/em&gt;

&lt;em&gt;No, I hadn&#039;t seen it.  I like it so much that I&#039;m going to post it for all those who don&#039;t read the comments to enjoy.&lt;/em&gt;

&lt;em&gt;Thanks--&lt;/em&gt;

&lt;em&gt;MRE &lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just got <a href="http://joyoftech.com/joyoftech/joyarchives/932.html" rel="nofollow">this</a> from a friend and thought you&#8217;d like it if you haven&#8217;t seen it yet.</p>
<p><em>Hi Esther&#8211;</em></p>
<p><em>No, I hadn&#8217;t seen it.  I like it so much that I&#8217;m going to post it for all those who don&#8217;t read the comments to enjoy.</em></p>
<p><em>Thanks&#8211;</em></p>
<p><em>MRE </em></p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: mrfreddy</title>
		<link>http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/uncategorized/where-vegetarianism-can-lead-if-not-treated-properly/#comment-15867</link>
		<dc:creator>mrfreddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Mar 2007 21:23:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/?p=560#comment-15867</guid>
		<description>does eating too much soy somehow cause metallic object to grow from your lips, nose, cheeks, eyebrows, etc.? yet another reason to avoid it, I assume...

&lt;em&gt;Hi mrfreddy--&lt;/em&gt;

&lt;em&gt;All the piercings remind me of a bit in one of the King of the Hill shows where Hank Hill says: &quot;This might surprise you, but I&#039;m in favor of body piercing.  It saves time.  When you see someone with body piercing you know right off the bat that something is wrong with them.  You don&#039;t have to spend a lot of time with them before figuring out.&quot;&lt;/em&gt;

&lt;em&gt;Cheers--&lt;/em&gt;

&lt;em&gt;MRE &lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>does eating too much soy somehow cause metallic object to grow from your lips, nose, cheeks, eyebrows, etc.? yet another reason to avoid it, I assume&#8230;</p>
<p><em>Hi mrfreddy&#8211;</em></p>
<p><em>All the piercings remind me of a bit in one of the King of the Hill shows where Hank Hill says: &#8220;This might surprise you, but I&#8217;m in favor of body piercing.  It saves time.  When you see someone with body piercing you know right off the bat that something is wrong with them.  You don&#8217;t have to spend a lot of time with them before figuring out.&#8221;</em></p>
<p><em>Cheers&#8211;</em></p>
<p><em>MRE </em></p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
</channel>
</rss>
