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		<title>By: Suesan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Suesan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 23:46:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Would it not make more sense to eat the grass fed beef which may be more expensive but is much better for the environment, and supplement the meal with some healthy nonsaturated plant based oil if it is too low fat?

&lt;em&gt;That would work in terms of providing fat, but I don&#039;t know if it would make up for it taste-wise.

Cheers--

MRE&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Would it not make more sense to eat the grass fed beef which may be more expensive but is much better for the environment, and supplement the meal with some healthy nonsaturated plant based oil if it is too low fat?</p>
<p><em>That would work in terms of providing fat, but I don&#8217;t know if it would make up for it taste-wise.</p>
<p>Cheers&#8211;</p>
<p>MRE</em></p>
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		<title>By: Max Thunder</title>
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		<dc:creator>Max Thunder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Oct 2006 20:38:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think grass-fed beef is overrated.

Most of the polyunsaturated fats are saturated within its rumen, so the omega 3/6 content of the food doesn&#039;t matter that much. I think the microorganisms produce the required long chain polyunsaturated fatty acids themselves.

I have no doubt that grass-fed beef is healthier, but not as much as the sellers want us to believe. It is also much more expensive. Grass-fed meat is usually way too lean, and we know that too much protein without fat is bad (rabbit starvation). The claims that grass-fed beef has less saturated fats should not convince us of anything. The &quot;studies&quot; they show usually compare the least omega 3 rich part of grain-fed beef with the richest part of grass-fed beef.

I think organic beef has the best of both worlds, at least here; the animal has to have a minimal % of grass, then its diet is completed with grains.

&quot;“Animals eat and store fat, but unfortunately
the digestion process of ruminants converts
healthy polyunsaturated dietary fats into less
healthy saturated ones which then appear in
ruminant meat and dairy products. This means
that even if we find a way of feeding sheep
or cattle lipids like long chain omega-3, their rumen microbes will automatically saturate
them. Hence the second step in this research
project is to find a way of protecting the
polyunsaturated fats as they travel through the
rumen, so that they can then be absorbed into
the animals’ bodies making them available for
incorporation into meat and milk.&quot;

I&#039;ve just found this specific quote on this page: www.agresearch.co.nz/publications/intouch/AgResearch_News_Dec2005.pdf .

Hi Max--

Thanks for the comment.  I happen to like grass-fed beef a lot, but we all have our different tastes.  Organic beef is fine, too, but I prefer grass fed.

Appreciate the link.

Cheers--

MRE</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think grass-fed beef is overrated.</p>
<p>Most of the polyunsaturated fats are saturated within its rumen, so the omega 3/6 content of the food doesn&#8217;t matter that much. I think the microorganisms produce the required long chain polyunsaturated fatty acids themselves.</p>
<p>I have no doubt that grass-fed beef is healthier, but not as much as the sellers want us to believe. It is also much more expensive. Grass-fed meat is usually way too lean, and we know that too much protein without fat is bad (rabbit starvation). The claims that grass-fed beef has less saturated fats should not convince us of anything. The &#8220;studies&#8221; they show usually compare the least omega 3 rich part of grain-fed beef with the richest part of grass-fed beef.</p>
<p>I think organic beef has the best of both worlds, at least here; the animal has to have a minimal % of grass, then its diet is completed with grains.</p>
<p>&#8220;“Animals eat and store fat, but unfortunately<br />
the digestion process of ruminants converts<br />
healthy polyunsaturated dietary fats into less<br />
healthy saturated ones which then appear in<br />
ruminant meat and dairy products. This means<br />
that even if we find a way of feeding sheep<br />
or cattle lipids like long chain omega-3, their rumen microbes will automatically saturate<br />
them. Hence the second step in this research<br />
project is to find a way of protecting the<br />
polyunsaturated fats as they travel through the<br />
rumen, so that they can then be absorbed into<br />
the animals’ bodies making them available for<br />
incorporation into meat and milk.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve just found this specific quote on this page: <a href="http://www.agresearch.co.nz/publications/intouch/AgResearch_News_Dec2005.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.agresearch.co.nz/publications/intouch/AgResearch_News_Dec2005.pdf</a> .</p>
<p>Hi Max&#8211;</p>
<p>Thanks for the comment.  I happen to like grass-fed beef a lot, but we all have our different tastes.  Organic beef is fine, too, but I prefer grass fed.</p>
<p>Appreciate the link.</p>
<p>Cheers&#8211;</p>
<p>MRE</p>
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		<title>By: All your AOE belong to us</title>
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		<dc:creator>All your AOE belong to us</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Sep 2006 14:24:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think I forgot to give the link to the Chico website.

http://www.csuchico.edu/agr/grassfedbeef/health-benefits/index.html

Thanks, AOE.  It&#039;s an interesting site.

MRE
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think I forgot to give the link to the Chico website.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.csuchico.edu/agr/grassfedbeef/health-benefits/index.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.csuchico.edu/agr/grassfedbeef/health-benefits/index.html</a></p>
<p>Thanks, AOE.  It&#8217;s an interesting site.</p>
<p>MRE</p>
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		<title>By: All your AOE belong to us</title>
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		<dc:creator>All your AOE belong to us</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Sep 2006 14:21:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In PPLP, you wrote that grain-fed beef has a 15:1 omega-6/3 ratio.  How did you get that number?  This  link at Cal-Chico says 4:1.  I went to the USDA nutrient database and picked a few random cuts.  I got as low as 2:1 and as high as 10:1.  Granted, I didn&#039;t go through every cut, but I&#039;m wondering what accounts for the discrepancy?

Hi AOE--

I don&#039;t know where I got the info, but 15:1 sounds high.  I&#039;m sitting in the airport at Dallas right now trying to catch up on all these comments.  I&#039;ll check it out when I get back to my references.

Best--

MRE</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In PPLP, you wrote that grain-fed beef has a 15:1 omega-6/3 ratio.  How did you get that number?  This  link at Cal-Chico says 4:1.  I went to the USDA nutrient database and picked a few random cuts.  I got as low as 2:1 and as high as 10:1.  Granted, I didn&#8217;t go through every cut, but I&#8217;m wondering what accounts for the discrepancy?</p>
<p>Hi AOE&#8211;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know where I got the info, but 15:1 sounds high.  I&#8217;m sitting in the airport at Dallas right now trying to catch up on all these comments.  I&#8217;ll check it out when I get back to my references.</p>
<p>Best&#8211;</p>
<p>MRE</p>
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