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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2007 16:26:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The old adage, Everything in moderation, is as true as ever. Eat a &quot;balanced&quot; diet and you&#039;ll live as long as your supposed to. (Unless you get hit by a truck).
Oat bran, margarine, low-fat
- all these things were supposed to prolong your life. Oops, no they don&#039;t. Sorry. The same will hold for whatever replaces trans-fat. The Food Nazis will go after that as well. They don&#039;t want you to eat anything, apparently. It&#039;s like, plastic or paper, neither is the answer from the doom and gloomers. That&#039;s why I tune out all these attempts to micromanage my life. Do the same and you&#039;ll be much happier.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The old adage, Everything in moderation, is as true as ever. Eat a &#8220;balanced&#8221; diet and you&#8217;ll live as long as your supposed to. (Unless you get hit by a truck).<br />
Oat bran, margarine, low-fat<br />
- all these things were supposed to prolong your life. Oops, no they don&#8217;t. Sorry. The same will hold for whatever replaces trans-fat. The Food Nazis will go after that as well. They don&#8217;t want you to eat anything, apparently. It&#8217;s like, plastic or paper, neither is the answer from the doom and gloomers. That&#8217;s why I tune out all these attempts to micromanage my life. Do the same and you&#8217;ll be much happier.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/uncategorized/the-columnist-who-mistook-his-myth-for-a-fact/#comment-961</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Oct 2006 13:40:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to take issue with one thing:
Had it not been for the misguided efforts of other food police types, we wouldn&#039;t have the trans fat problem today. We would still be using saturated fat and our food would still taste just as good as it always has.

This is only partially true...no pun intended!  Partially hydrogenated oils are cheaper than using real animal lard or tropical oils.  This is one of the reasons food processors started using them.  And the soybean processing lobby spent millions lobbying the FDA back in the 60s-70s, this has been documented by Mary Enig.  They had to con the health police into believing they were safe, which they did.  But it is true that the Framingham study misinterpretations (as you document so well) had already started a demagoguery against saturated fat, so there was a search for an &quot;alternative.&quot;

Hi David--

Proctor &amp; Gamble came up with Crisco in 1911 and advertised it as a safe, tastier alternative to the animal fats in use at the time.  It&#039;s use (along with that of other trans fats) exploded when the anti-saturated fat folks demanded an alternative.  

Now these same anti-saturated fat pinheads are going after the trans fats that they, themselves, were in great measure responsible for afflicting us with.

Best--

MRE
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to take issue with one thing:<br />
Had it not been for the misguided efforts of other food police types, we wouldn&#8217;t have the trans fat problem today. We would still be using saturated fat and our food would still taste just as good as it always has.</p>
<p>This is only partially true&#8230;no pun intended!  Partially hydrogenated oils are cheaper than using real animal lard or tropical oils.  This is one of the reasons food processors started using them.  And the soybean processing lobby spent millions lobbying the FDA back in the 60s-70s, this has been documented by Mary Enig.  They had to con the health police into believing they were safe, which they did.  But it is true that the Framingham study misinterpretations (as you document so well) had already started a demagoguery against saturated fat, so there was a search for an &#8220;alternative.&#8221;</p>
<p>Hi David&#8211;</p>
<p>Proctor &amp; Gamble came up with Crisco in 1911 and advertised it as a safe, tastier alternative to the animal fats in use at the time.  It&#8217;s use (along with that of other trans fats) exploded when the anti-saturated fat folks demanded an alternative.  </p>
<p>Now these same anti-saturated fat pinheads are going after the trans fats that they, themselves, were in great measure responsible for afflicting us with.</p>
<p>Best&#8211;</p>
<p>MRE</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Oct 2006 04:20:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with the last paragraph.

It&#039;s just another example of the &quot;Big Lie&quot; technique. People will believe a big lie over a little lie, and if repeated often enough, they will eventually believe that it&#039;s true.

This is why I&#039;ll never believe that &quot;low-carb&quot; will be accepted by the mainstream. I don&#039;t care how many research studies come out proving what has already been proven by anthropologists and biochemists (that man developed for millions of years on a high-meat and/or all-meat diet). The idea that &quot;saturated fat is bad&quot; has been so ingrained in the psyche of the culture that no amount of truth will be able to overcome the Big Lie.

Hi Rob--

Let&#039;s not give up hope.  You can&#039;t just prove the low-carb diet is better; you&#039;ve got to overwhelm the opposition with data, which is starting to happen.  I think we&#039;ll see a major change within the next decade.

Keeping my fingers crossed.

MRE</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with the last paragraph.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s just another example of the &#8220;Big Lie&#8221; technique. People will believe a big lie over a little lie, and if repeated often enough, they will eventually believe that it&#8217;s true.</p>
<p>This is why I&#8217;ll never believe that &#8220;low-carb&#8221; will be accepted by the mainstream. I don&#8217;t care how many research studies come out proving what has already been proven by anthropologists and biochemists (that man developed for millions of years on a high-meat and/or all-meat diet). The idea that &#8220;saturated fat is bad&#8221; has been so ingrained in the psyche of the culture that no amount of truth will be able to overcome the Big Lie.</p>
<p>Hi Rob&#8211;</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s not give up hope.  You can&#8217;t just prove the low-carb diet is better; you&#8217;ve got to overwhelm the opposition with data, which is starting to happen.  I think we&#8217;ll see a major change within the next decade.</p>
<p>Keeping my fingers crossed.</p>
<p>MRE</p>
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		<title>By: Karen J</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karen J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Oct 2006 22:34:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That is one reason why the great unwashed masses are not learning the truth. The media is very liberal, and the idea that Atkins&#039; (or Ted Nugent&#039;s, for that matter) way of eating could possibly be healthy is unfathomable to them. Eating animals is bad, and saturated fat is evil incarnate.

Funny, though, that conservatives are more likely to be religious, and do not embrace evolutionary facts  about animal domestication. 

Hi Karen--

Strange, indeed.  You wouldn&#039;t think there would be a political bias in the idea of food choice, but there clearly is.  Most conservatives tend to be meat eaters whereas most liberals lean in a vegetarian direction.

Best--

MRE</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is one reason why the great unwashed masses are not learning the truth. The media is very liberal, and the idea that Atkins&#8217; (or Ted Nugent&#8217;s, for that matter) way of eating could possibly be healthy is unfathomable to them. Eating animals is bad, and saturated fat is evil incarnate.</p>
<p>Funny, though, that conservatives are more likely to be religious, and do not embrace evolutionary facts  about animal domestication. </p>
<p>Hi Karen&#8211;</p>
<p>Strange, indeed.  You wouldn&#8217;t think there would be a political bias in the idea of food choice, but there clearly is.  Most conservatives tend to be meat eaters whereas most liberals lean in a vegetarian direction.</p>
<p>Best&#8211;</p>
<p>MRE</p>
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		<title>By: Neal Winkler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neal Winkler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Oct 2006 19:50:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Most reporters wouldn&#039;t have the knowledge to interpret a scientific study, so they really have no choice but to fall back on the pronouncements of the organizations that are supposed to be authorities on these matters. I don&#039;t know if this fellow is any different or not. The saddest part is that the major health organizations cannot give up their cherished hypotheses because it would seriously undermine their authority in the eyes of the public. I don&#039;t think the American people want fickle doctors. That there is no evidence that saturated fat has any part in the pathogenesis of heart disease is actually kind of obvious given the consistent failure of invention trials to prove saturated fats guilt. Such a seemingly simple oversight makes one have to question and double check EVERY SINGLE pronouncement that they have ever made: fat causes heart disease, carbs are the bestest thing ever, protein causes kidney damage, salt gives you hypertension, hypertension causes heart disease, trans fats are bad, etc. etc. etc. You name it, you can&#039;t really trust it now IMO. This is very annoying even for people that can interpret scientific studies because there just isn&#039;t enough time in the day to double check all the ADA/AHA/NHLBI&#039;s ect. shoddy work. When the truth is finally set free, I think all this deserves to be a MAJOR scandal. The downfall of our hallowed health &quot;authorities&quot; should, IMO, be on par with the downfall of communism (maybe I&#039;m going a little far, but still). I don&#039;t even want to imagine what it will be like for the general public. Without their ability to verify facts for themselves, how can they ever trust anyone?

Hi Neal--

You&#039;re right on point.  I actually heard a prominent physician say after the salt-causes-hypertension theory had been debunked, We can&#039;t tell people we were wrong about this because then they won&#039;t believe us in the future.  Which, of course, begs the question, if you&#039;re telling them the wrong things why should they believe you.

It is a real scandal.

Best--

MRE</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most reporters wouldn&#8217;t have the knowledge to interpret a scientific study, so they really have no choice but to fall back on the pronouncements of the organizations that are supposed to be authorities on these matters. I don&#8217;t know if this fellow is any different or not. The saddest part is that the major health organizations cannot give up their cherished hypotheses because it would seriously undermine their authority in the eyes of the public. I don&#8217;t think the American people want fickle doctors. That there is no evidence that saturated fat has any part in the pathogenesis of heart disease is actually kind of obvious given the consistent failure of invention trials to prove saturated fats guilt. Such a seemingly simple oversight makes one have to question and double check EVERY SINGLE pronouncement that they have ever made: fat causes heart disease, carbs are the bestest thing ever, protein causes kidney damage, salt gives you hypertension, hypertension causes heart disease, trans fats are bad, etc. etc. etc. You name it, you can&#8217;t really trust it now IMO. This is very annoying even for people that can interpret scientific studies because there just isn&#8217;t enough time in the day to double check all the ADA/AHA/NHLBI&#8217;s ect. shoddy work. When the truth is finally set free, I think all this deserves to be a MAJOR scandal. The downfall of our hallowed health &#8220;authorities&#8221; should, IMO, be on par with the downfall of communism (maybe I&#8217;m going a little far, but still). I don&#8217;t even want to imagine what it will be like for the general public. Without their ability to verify facts for themselves, how can they ever trust anyone?</p>
<p>Hi Neal&#8211;</p>
<p>You&#8217;re right on point.  I actually heard a prominent physician say after the salt-causes-hypertension theory had been debunked, We can&#8217;t tell people we were wrong about this because then they won&#8217;t believe us in the future.  Which, of course, begs the question, if you&#8217;re telling them the wrong things why should they believe you.</p>
<p>It is a real scandal.</p>
<p>Best&#8211;</p>
<p>MRE</p>
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		<title>By: simon Fellows</title>
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		<dc:creator>simon Fellows</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Oct 2006 18:40:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sir ye make like some of this.
http://www.sirc.org/publik/food_and_eating_12.html

Some of it is gibberish but you&#039;d expect that as he&#039;s from Yorkshire and i should know as i&#039;m too !

Do you know Marvin Harris work ? If not i think both yee and the Mrs would adore Our Kind by Harris..really wonderful

Hi Simon--

You&#039;re correct about the link: some of it is informative, the rest gibberish.

I have read a number of Marvin Harris&#039;s books including Our Kind.  He is one of us.

Cheers--

MRE</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sir ye make like some of this.<br />
<a href="http://www.sirc.org/publik/food_and_eating_12.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.sirc.org/publik/food_and_eating_12.html</a></p>
<p>Some of it is gibberish but you&#8217;d expect that as he&#8217;s from Yorkshire and i should know as i&#8217;m too !</p>
<p>Do you know Marvin Harris work ? If not i think both yee and the Mrs would adore Our Kind by Harris..really wonderful</p>
<p>Hi Simon&#8211;</p>
<p>You&#8217;re correct about the link: some of it is informative, the rest gibberish.</p>
<p>I have read a number of Marvin Harris&#8217;s books including Our Kind.  He is one of us.</p>
<p>Cheers&#8211;</p>
<p>MRE</p>
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		<title>By: Kathy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kathy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Oct 2006 15:58:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, it boggles the mind that humans are still alive and thriving considering all the fat that our ancestors ate. We should have went extinct centuries ago.

Hi Kathy--

It does indeed boggle the mind.

Cheers--

MRE</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, it boggles the mind that humans are still alive and thriving considering all the fat that our ancestors ate. We should have went extinct centuries ago.</p>
<p>Hi Kathy&#8211;</p>
<p>It does indeed boggle the mind.</p>
<p>Cheers&#8211;</p>
<p>MRE</p>
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		<title>By: Gary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Oct 2006 14:13:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tierney is a Bushco conservative, in other words, he is a corporate apologist. Aside from his specious reasoning that saturated fats would be as bad as trans fats, read his article in that light.

Hi Gary--

Hmmm, typically what I&#039;ve noticed is that there appears to be a bias in favor of saturated fats and of meat in general on the part of political conservatives and a tendency toward a more vegetarian diet in political liberals.

I don&#039;t know if Tierney in this case is acting more as a corporate apologist or an anti-regulator.  I suspect the latter.  My worry, however, is his blithe acceptance of the saturated-fat-is-bad-for-you hypothesis as fact.

Cheers--

MRE</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tierney is a Bushco conservative, in other words, he is a corporate apologist. Aside from his specious reasoning that saturated fats would be as bad as trans fats, read his article in that light.</p>
<p>Hi Gary&#8211;</p>
<p>Hmmm, typically what I&#8217;ve noticed is that there appears to be a bias in favor of saturated fats and of meat in general on the part of political conservatives and a tendency toward a more vegetarian diet in political liberals.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know if Tierney in this case is acting more as a corporate apologist or an anti-regulator.  I suspect the latter.  My worry, however, is his blithe acceptance of the saturated-fat-is-bad-for-you hypothesis as fact.</p>
<p>Cheers&#8211;</p>
<p>MRE</p>
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