Comments on: Steyn on the multicultural front http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/uncategorized/steyn-on-the-multicultural-front/ A critical look at nutritional science and anything else that strikes my fancy. Thu, 09 Feb 2012 14:38:34 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Michael R. Eades, MD http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/uncategorized/steyn-on-the-multicultural-front/#comment-114 Michael R. Eades, MD Wed, 18 Jan 2006 04:32:07 +0000 http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike_blog/?p=191#comment-114 I agree with you. I don't think it is a matter of Democrats verses Republicans; I think it goes much deeper that that. I agree with you. I don’t think it is a matter of Democrats verses Republicans; I think it goes much deeper that that.

]]> By: David Ellis http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/uncategorized/steyn-on-the-multicultural-front/#comment-113 David Ellis Sun, 15 Jan 2006 01:52:32 +0000 http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike_blog/?p=191#comment-113 My take is that something is wrong with the country, something is really missing. I believe that the thing missing is the civic pride that Alexis DeToqueville found to be so important part of american life. This lack of civic pride is evidenced by the large decline of civic associations after the WWII generation. Because of the lack of civic pride, greed is running unchecked. We are facing epic levels of corruption in business and government. We spend more money teaching and the children learn less. Everything is measured in terms of what it will do for business measured in dollars. Very little is measured in terms of what good will be done in our communities. Yes, I am certain, that if we don't find our way out of this scarcity of love for our community we will fail and grow weak. Your fears are real, Dr Eades but the cause is not, I think, Democrats vs Republicans. ps-the preview didnt highlight my link to the decline in civic associations, so just in case, here is the link. http://xroads.virginia.edu/~HYPER/DETOC/assoc/strange.html My take is that something is wrong with the country, something is really missing. I believe that the thing missing is the civic pride that Alexis DeToqueville found to be so important part of american life. This lack of civic pride is evidenced by the large decline of civic associations after the WWII generation.

Because of the lack of civic pride, greed is running unchecked. We are facing epic levels of corruption in business and government. We spend more money teaching and the children learn less.

Everything is measured in terms of what it will do for business measured in dollars. Very little is measured in terms of what good will be done in our communities.

Yes, I am certain, that if we don’t find our way out of this scarcity of love for our community we will fail and grow weak. Your fears are real, Dr Eades but the cause is not, I think, Democrats vs Republicans.

ps-the preview didnt highlight my link to the decline in civic associations, so just in case, here is the link.
http://xroads.virginia.edu/~HYPER/DETOC/assoc/strange.html

]]> By: Michael R. Eades, MD http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/uncategorized/steyn-on-the-multicultural-front/#comment-112 Michael R. Eades, MD Thu, 12 Jan 2006 14:21:30 +0000 http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike_blog/?p=191#comment-112 Ah, Charles, it's good to hear from you. You have been quiescent for a while and I wondered if you were still a reader. I figured that if I posted on a Steyn piece it would bring you to the surface if you were still out there. As usual, you focused on a perceived slight to the left instead of the real meat of the article, which is that the rapid expansion of the Islamic population relative to ours (the West in general) thanks to the lax immigration laws and huge difference in birth rates will ultimately result in their having a majority. If what you are looking for is social justice, I don't think you're going to find it in a Mullah controlled government. I suspect you would long for the good old days of W. Cheers. Ah, Charles, it’s good to hear from you. You have been quiescent for a while and I wondered if you were still a reader. I figured that if I posted on a Steyn piece it would bring you to the surface if you were still out there.

As usual, you focused on a perceived slight to the left instead of the real meat of the article, which is that the rapid expansion of the Islamic population relative to ours (the West in general) thanks to the lax immigration laws and huge difference in birth rates will ultimately result in their having a majority. If what you are looking for is social justice, I don’t think you’re going to find it in a Mullah controlled government. I suspect you would long for the good old days of W.

Cheers.

]]> By: Charles Berezin http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/uncategorized/steyn-on-the-multicultural-front/#comment-111 Charles Berezin Thu, 12 Jan 2006 14:02:46 +0000 http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike_blog/?p=191#comment-111 What bothers me about the Steyn’s piece is his characterization of the “progressive agenda: “lavish social welfare, abortion, secularism, multiculturalism.†I consider myself a creature of the left, but I can’t recognize anything here I would call a “progressive agenda.†Steyn has merely collected a bunch of things he doesn't like in a list and called it a name. The progressive agenda, if we could use such a term, would be about expanding social justice. It has nothing to do with multiculturalism or any of the other things on Steyn’s hit list. For instance, some on the left feel that multiculturalism is a way of assuring social justice, something with which I vociferously disagree. I have always felt that multiculturalism promotes intolerance by telling people that the most important thing about themselves is their membership in a group and that the most important thing about other people is exactly their otherness. It promotes feelings of victimization and turns justice into a zero sum game. Seen this way, multiculturalism runs counter to an agenda that promotes social justice. The fact that some in the left feel otherwise does not make multiculturalism part of any agenda. Similar arguments could be made about Steyn’s other pet peeves. I’m disappointed by Steyn’s rhetorical sloppiness and inellectual laziness. What bothers me about the Steyn’s piece is his characterization of the “progressive agenda: “lavish social welfare, abortion, secularism, multiculturalism.†I consider myself a creature of the left, but I can’t recognize anything here I would call a “progressive agenda.†Steyn has merely collected a bunch of things he doesn’t like in a list and called it a name.

The progressive agenda, if we could use such a term, would be about expanding social justice. It has nothing to do with multiculturalism or any of the other things on Steyn’s hit list. For instance, some on the left feel that multiculturalism is a way of assuring social justice, something with which I vociferously disagree. I have always felt that multiculturalism promotes intolerance by telling people that the most important thing about themselves is their membership in a group and that the most important thing about other people is exactly their otherness. It promotes feelings of victimization and turns justice into a zero sum game. Seen this way, multiculturalism runs counter to an agenda that promotes social justice. The fact that some in the left feel otherwise does not make multiculturalism part of any agenda. Similar arguments could be made about Steyn’s other pet peeves. I’m disappointed by Steyn’s rhetorical sloppiness and inellectual laziness.

]]> By: simon fellows http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/uncategorized/steyn-on-the-multicultural-front/#comment-110 simon fellows Wed, 11 Jan 2006 19:15:43 +0000 http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike_blog/?p=191#comment-110 Yessum. The funny thing is i was never able to re-concile what i perceived to be your senses of humour, arrogantly i'll say not very quintess. American;meant as a big compliment, vis pithy little quips you'd throw in and the title and aforementioned title and piccy. Something seemed 'wrong' All is clear. My ennui has abated ! Yessum.
The funny thing is i was never able to re-concile what i perceived to be your senses of humour, arrogantly i’ll say not very quintess. American;meant as a big compliment, vis pithy little quips you’d throw in and the title and aforementioned title and piccy.
Something seemed ‘wrong’
All is clear.
My ennui has abated !

]]> By: Michael R. Eades, MD http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/uncategorized/steyn-on-the-multicultural-front/#comment-109 Michael R. Eades, MD Wed, 11 Jan 2006 03:46:49 +0000 http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike_blog/?p=191#comment-109 If it makes any difference I fought the cover "piccy's" and the "naff title" tooth and toenail to no avail. What most people don't know is that the publisher has full control over the cover. We've never had a cover on any of our books that I have liked. Cheers. If it makes any difference I fought the cover “piccy’s” and the “naff title” tooth and toenail to no avail. What most people don’t know is that the publisher has full control over the cover. We’ve never had a cover on any of our books that I have liked. Cheers.

]]> By: simonfellows http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/uncategorized/steyn-on-the-multicultural-front/#comment-108 simonfellows Wed, 11 Jan 2006 02:00:49 +0000 http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike_blog/?p=191#comment-108 And what was his point ? I truly didn't get it Its stating the obvious vis multi-cult'ism As shite as people often think they are, West liberal democs are the best we slightly egalitarian primates have come up and of course people vote with boats and their feet to get to 'em;anyone with 'alf a brain knows this. His point is floored as no one knows what the future will bring and anyone who says they do is an 'eejit. We'll muddle through, however defined or we won't. Our seemingly hardwired rapacious greed, coupled with sexual selection and garnished with technology is a bit of a bugger too ! BTW i still think that despite its naff title and the cheesy piccy your PPL is the best book written on evolutionary nutrition/perspectives. Again thanks to you and your Mrs for your efforts And what was his point ?
I truly didn’t get it
Its stating the obvious vis multi-cult’ism
As shite as people often think they are, West liberal democs are the best we slightly egalitarian primates have come up and of course people vote with boats and their feet to get to ‘em;anyone with ‘alf a brain knows this.
His point is floored as no one knows what the future will bring and anyone who says they do is an ‘eejit.
We’ll muddle through, however defined or we won’t.
Our seemingly hardwired rapacious greed, coupled with sexual selection and garnished with technology is a bit of a bugger too !

BTW i still think that despite its naff title and the cheesy piccy your PPL is the best book written on evolutionary nutrition/perspectives.
Again thanks to you and your Mrs for your efforts

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