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		<title>By: Leah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2008 23:33:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I did the experiment that the guy did in the video, but the french frys I used molded. It was freaky wierd. I totally used mcdonalds frys but they molded. So I did the experiment like this, I had 4 jars and 1 box of mcdonalds frys and my moms homemade ones. I left them in the jars for like a week then they all molded.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I did the experiment that the guy did in the video, but the french frys I used molded. It was freaky wierd. I totally used mcdonalds frys but they molded. So I did the experiment like this, I had 4 jars and 1 box of mcdonalds frys and my moms homemade ones. I left them in the jars for like a week then they all molded.</p>
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		<title>By: Sergio</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sergio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Apr 2007 04:31:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ever since I saw that in the Supersize Me DVD I stopped eating fries from ANY fast food place, rarely eat fast foods anymore.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ever since I saw that in the Supersize Me DVD I stopped eating fries from ANY fast food place, rarely eat fast foods anymore.</p>
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		<title>By: Max</title>
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		<dc:creator>Max</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Apr 2007 15:14:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Side thought about McD&#039;s fries...

Since transfats are bad, and the other fully hydrogenated fats are probably as bad if not worse, maybe there&#039;s a shot they will go back to beef tallow for the fat, like in the old days. Sure, the vegetarians will complain, but let&#039;s just say that what a vegetarian complains about is not really high on my list of reasons to donate some Orlistat side effects.

FWIW: before PP, I had occasion to leave the country to some place less concerned with health (and therefore healthier) where I had some McD&#039;s fries, made with the beef tallow mixture as a frying oil. They really were better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Side thought about McD&#8217;s fries&#8230;</p>
<p>Since transfats are bad, and the other fully hydrogenated fats are probably as bad if not worse, maybe there&#8217;s a shot they will go back to beef tallow for the fat, like in the old days. Sure, the vegetarians will complain, but let&#8217;s just say that what a vegetarian complains about is not really high on my list of reasons to donate some Orlistat side effects.</p>
<p>FWIW: before PP, I had occasion to leave the country to some place less concerned with health (and therefore healthier) where I had some McD&#8217;s fries, made with the beef tallow mixture as a frying oil. They really were better.</p>
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		<title>By: Mary Titus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mary Titus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Mar 2007 19:57:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, this is nothing new. I had spilled a few Micky D&#039;s fries in my car and they lasted forever under the floor mat. Admittedly, back in the day, McDonalds had the best fries.

Peace,
Mary</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, this is nothing new. I had spilled a few Micky D&#8217;s fries in my car and they lasted forever under the floor mat. Admittedly, back in the day, McDonalds had the best fries.</p>
<p>Peace,<br />
Mary</p>
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		<title>By: Esther</title>
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		<dc:creator>Esther</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Mar 2007 15:49:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t forget the catsup on top of the fries would constitute another serving of veggies...

Didn&#039;t they try to classify catsup as a veggie serving back in the Reagan days?

I hate that stuff with a passion and wouldn&#039;t you know it, I ended up married to a guy who has a bottle of it welded to one hand.

&lt;em&gt;Yep, I&#039;ve heard about the catsup too.  So fries and catsup are TWO servings of veggies.&lt;/em&gt;

&lt;em&gt;Cheers--&lt;/em&gt;

&lt;em&gt;MRE &lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t forget the catsup on top of the fries would constitute another serving of veggies&#8230;</p>
<p>Didn&#8217;t they try to classify catsup as a veggie serving back in the Reagan days?</p>
<p>I hate that stuff with a passion and wouldn&#8217;t you know it, I ended up married to a guy who has a bottle of it welded to one hand.</p>
<p><em>Yep, I&#8217;ve heard about the catsup too.  So fries and catsup are TWO servings of veggies.</em></p>
<p><em>Cheers&#8211;</em></p>
<p><em>MRE </em></p>
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		<title>By: David LaCivita</title>
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		<dc:creator>David LaCivita</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Mar 2007 14:41:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My experience with Mcdonalds fries (thankfully from about 10 yrs ago) Was that they served them pretty fresh.  The fries have a pretty quick turnover.  I would think the deep frying would kill any spores or bacteria on them.  If Morgan got them fresh and put them into the jars quickly there was probably little or no &quot;stuff&quot; to grow.  Not trying to defend the fries, but might explain the magical mystery of the fries.  Also, I heard once that most American&#039;s consider french fries as part of their 5 servings per day of veggies, has anyone else heard this scary tid bit?

&lt;em&gt;Hi David--&lt;/em&gt;

&lt;em&gt;You may be right about the McDonald&#039;s fries, but I would think the deep frying of the other fries in the experiment would have provided the same protection.  It could have been, I suppose, that Spurlock put the McDonald&#039;s fries in when they were just freshly cooked while he let the others sit around for a while.  Then we have the report from Charles about finding old McDonald&#039;s fries under the seat of his car that looked as good as new...&lt;/em&gt;

&lt;em&gt;I have heard the same report that French fries are considered one serving of vegetable in the US.  I just asked MD, and she has heard it too.  I don&#039;t know if it&#039;s true or not or just one of those urban legends, but potatoes are vegetables...&lt;/em&gt;

&lt;em&gt;Cheers--&lt;/em&gt;

&lt;em&gt;MRE &lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My experience with Mcdonalds fries (thankfully from about 10 yrs ago) Was that they served them pretty fresh.  The fries have a pretty quick turnover.  I would think the deep frying would kill any spores or bacteria on them.  If Morgan got them fresh and put them into the jars quickly there was probably little or no &#8220;stuff&#8221; to grow.  Not trying to defend the fries, but might explain the magical mystery of the fries.  Also, I heard once that most American&#8217;s consider french fries as part of their 5 servings per day of veggies, has anyone else heard this scary tid bit?</p>
<p><em>Hi David&#8211;</em></p>
<p><em>You may be right about the McDonald&#8217;s fries, but I would think the deep frying of the other fries in the experiment would have provided the same protection.  It could have been, I suppose, that Spurlock put the McDonald&#8217;s fries in when they were just freshly cooked while he let the others sit around for a while.  Then we have the report from Charles about finding old McDonald&#8217;s fries under the seat of his car that looked as good as new&#8230;</em></p>
<p><em>I have heard the same report that French fries are considered one serving of vegetable in the US.  I just asked MD, and she has heard it too.  I don&#8217;t know if it&#8217;s true or not or just one of those urban legends, but potatoes are vegetables&#8230;</em></p>
<p><em>Cheers&#8211;</em></p>
<p><em>MRE </em></p>
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		<title>By: gallier2</title>
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		<dc:creator>gallier2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Mar 2007 12:56:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Honey is imho worse than sugar, it contains more fructose than glucose and is probably comparable to HFCS. The damage from it is certainly less than from HFCS because it is quite expensive in comparison, and thus less consumed.

&lt;em&gt;Hi gallier2--&lt;/em&gt;

&lt;em&gt;As I understand it, honey is an invert sugar, which means that, like sugar,  it has equal amounts of glucose and fructose but, unlike with sugar, the glucose and fructose are not hooked together.&lt;/em&gt;

&lt;em&gt;Cheers--&lt;/em&gt;

&lt;em&gt;MRE &lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Honey is imho worse than sugar, it contains more fructose than glucose and is probably comparable to HFCS. The damage from it is certainly less than from HFCS because it is quite expensive in comparison, and thus less consumed.</p>
<p><em>Hi gallier2&#8211;</em></p>
<p><em>As I understand it, honey is an invert sugar, which means that, like sugar,  it has equal amounts of glucose and fructose but, unlike with sugar, the glucose and fructose are not hooked together.</em></p>
<p><em>Cheers&#8211;</em></p>
<p><em>MRE </em></p>
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		<title>By: Bradley Momberger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bradley Momberger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Mar 2007 08:59:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have had honey go bad on me.  It may require a certain set of conditions, especially where crystallization is concerned (changes the concentration of water in the liquid portion to where it can support microbes like C. botulinum), but it is certainly possible.  And believe me, if you don&#039;t know it&#039;s happening for a while, it makes an awful mess.

Now vinegar, on the other hand, except for being chemically volatile and evaporating if exposed to open air, is good forever.  I mean heck, the extra vecchio balsamic that will be bottled this year was first barreled before I was born.

&lt;em&gt;Hi Bradley--&lt;/em&gt;

&lt;em&gt;Okay, we&#039;ll add vinegar to the list of acceptable foods should the power in the store go out. &lt;/em&gt;

&lt;em&gt;Cheers--&lt;/em&gt;

&lt;em&gt;MRE &lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have had honey go bad on me.  It may require a certain set of conditions, especially where crystallization is concerned (changes the concentration of water in the liquid portion to where it can support microbes like C. botulinum), but it is certainly possible.  And believe me, if you don&#8217;t know it&#8217;s happening for a while, it makes an awful mess.</p>
<p>Now vinegar, on the other hand, except for being chemically volatile and evaporating if exposed to open air, is good forever.  I mean heck, the extra vecchio balsamic that will be bottled this year was first barreled before I was born.</p>
<p><em>Hi Bradley&#8211;</em></p>
<p><em>Okay, we&#8217;ll add vinegar to the list of acceptable foods should the power in the store go out. </em></p>
<p><em>Cheers&#8211;</em></p>
<p><em>MRE </em></p>
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		<title>By: Freddy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Freddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Mar 2007 04:50:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just read a seattlepi article that disscusses the widespread (and unfortunately, growing) prevalence of PBDE&#039;s.  The last recommendation in the article is to eat less animal fat since PBDE&#039;s accumulate in fat.  Personally, I will continue to eat lots of animal fat because I personally believe that not eating fat is more unhealthful than ingesting PBDE&#039;s.  Nevertheless it is distressing to hear.

This is especially true since the only thing local stores sell, and the only thing my pocketbook can afford, is standard supermarket beef and pork.  What, if anything, should I do to reduce my exposure?  Also, do you think a &quot;fat flush&quot; a la Orlistat would be helpful?

Here is the &lt;a href=&quot;http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/309169_pbde28.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;article&lt;/a&gt;.

Your assistance is greatly appreciated

&lt;em&gt;Hi Freddy--&lt;/em&gt;

&lt;em&gt;Unfortunately, PBDEs, like organochlorines, are persistent organic pollutants (POPs) that are lipophilic (fat loving) and accumulate in the fat tissue.  When you eat the fat of animals you are getting all the POPs that the animal accumulated over its lifetime.  But, most animals we eat don&#039;t live very long--cows for a year, maybe; chickens for a few months--so they don&#039;t have time to accumulate a whole lot.  It&#039;s better to eat range or grass-fed because they accumulate even less.&lt;/em&gt;

&lt;em&gt;If you eat fruits and vegetables you get the stuff directly.  Strawberries, for example, have huge amounts of pesticides on them that are difficult to get rid of because of all the littles nooks and crannies on the surface.  Organic strawberries have a tiny bit--as do all fruits and vegetables--because of the POPs in the groundwater and even in the rain, but the organic berries have much, much less.&lt;/em&gt;

&lt;em&gt;We humans, unlike the animals we eat, live a long, long time and tend to accumulate these POPs in our fat in large amounts.  The only way we can get rid of them is by the orlistat or olestra fat flush that I&#039;ve written about.  There is evidence that calcium and green tea increase the fat in the stool, but not nearly to olestra or orlistat-driven amounts, so taking a calcium supplement should help over the long run.  There is a debate going on now about whether calcium in the form of supplements or in the form of dairy products is the best.  I would come down on the side of the supplements because dairy products are pretty high in fat and one of the ways animals have of getting rid of their POP burden is through their milk, which is where all dairy products come from.  Which reminds me--one thing MD and I ALWAYS buy organic is butter, heavy cream, half and half, etc. for this very reason.&lt;/em&gt;

&lt;em&gt;I&#039;m planning on posting soon--maybe today--on yet another way to flush the fat.&lt;/em&gt;

&lt;em&gt;Cheers--&lt;/em&gt;

&lt;em&gt;MRE &lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just read a seattlepi article that disscusses the widespread (and unfortunately, growing) prevalence of PBDE&#8217;s.  The last recommendation in the article is to eat less animal fat since PBDE&#8217;s accumulate in fat.  Personally, I will continue to eat lots of animal fat because I personally believe that not eating fat is more unhealthful than ingesting PBDE&#8217;s.  Nevertheless it is distressing to hear.</p>
<p>This is especially true since the only thing local stores sell, and the only thing my pocketbook can afford, is standard supermarket beef and pork.  What, if anything, should I do to reduce my exposure?  Also, do you think a &#8220;fat flush&#8221; a la Orlistat would be helpful?</p>
<p>Here is the <a href="http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/309169_pbde28.html" rel="nofollow">article</a>.</p>
<p>Your assistance is greatly appreciated</p>
<p><em>Hi Freddy&#8211;</em></p>
<p><em>Unfortunately, PBDEs, like organochlorines, are persistent organic pollutants (POPs) that are lipophilic (fat loving) and accumulate in the fat tissue.  When you eat the fat of animals you are getting all the POPs that the animal accumulated over its lifetime.  But, most animals we eat don&#8217;t live very long&#8211;cows for a year, maybe; chickens for a few months&#8211;so they don&#8217;t have time to accumulate a whole lot.  It&#8217;s better to eat range or grass-fed because they accumulate even less.</em></p>
<p><em>If you eat fruits and vegetables you get the stuff directly.  Strawberries, for example, have huge amounts of pesticides on them that are difficult to get rid of because of all the littles nooks and crannies on the surface.  Organic strawberries have a tiny bit&#8211;as do all fruits and vegetables&#8211;because of the POPs in the groundwater and even in the rain, but the organic berries have much, much less.</em></p>
<p><em>We humans, unlike the animals we eat, live a long, long time and tend to accumulate these POPs in our fat in large amounts.  The only way we can get rid of them is by the orlistat or olestra fat flush that I&#8217;ve written about.  There is evidence that calcium and green tea increase the fat in the stool, but not nearly to olestra or orlistat-driven amounts, so taking a calcium supplement should help over the long run.  There is a debate going on now about whether calcium in the form of supplements or in the form of dairy products is the best.  I would come down on the side of the supplements because dairy products are pretty high in fat and one of the ways animals have of getting rid of their POP burden is through their milk, which is where all dairy products come from.  Which reminds me&#8211;one thing MD and I ALWAYS buy organic is butter, heavy cream, half and half, etc. for this very reason.</em></p>
<p><em>I&#8217;m planning on posting soon&#8211;maybe today&#8211;on yet another way to flush the fat.</em></p>
<p><em>Cheers&#8211;</em></p>
<p><em>MRE </em></p>
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		<title>By: Charles</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Mar 2007 23:04:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In answer to your query, no, maybe because by the time I found them I had converted to low-carb and fries were off-limits!

Charles

&lt;em&gt;Glad to hear it. &lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In answer to your query, no, maybe because by the time I found them I had converted to low-carb and fries were off-limits!</p>
<p>Charles</p>
<p><em>Glad to hear it. </em></p>
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