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	<title>Comments on: Jane Brody: Mistress of unshakable stupidity</title>
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		<title>By: Mike Lane</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Lane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2007 09:43:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fat, particularly animal fat, has been implicated as a cause of cancer, while the consumption of fruits and vegetables had been shown to protect against cancer. For instance, Boyd et al reported on this in a 1993 study published in the British Journal of Cancer, as did Steinmetz et al in a 1996 article in the Journal of the American Dietetic Association, and La Vecchia et al in a 1998 article in the European Journal of Cancer Prevention. Studies on laboratory animals also implicate omega-6 oils and saturated fat intake as cancer promoters. (Examples include Hursting et al in a 1990 Preventive Medicine article, Zhao et al in Nutrition and Cancer in 1991, Fay et al in Cancer Research in 1997.)

&lt;em&gt;And your point is?  Just as many papers - if not more - have shown no correlation between meat consumption and cancer.  You&#039;ve got to look at the whole of the data pool, not just cherry pick studies to prove whatever point you&#039;re trying to make.

Cheers--

MRE&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fat, particularly animal fat, has been implicated as a cause of cancer, while the consumption of fruits and vegetables had been shown to protect against cancer. For instance, Boyd et al reported on this in a 1993 study published in the British Journal of Cancer, as did Steinmetz et al in a 1996 article in the Journal of the American Dietetic Association, and La Vecchia et al in a 1998 article in the European Journal of Cancer Prevention. Studies on laboratory animals also implicate omega-6 oils and saturated fat intake as cancer promoters. (Examples include Hursting et al in a 1990 Preventive Medicine article, Zhao et al in Nutrition and Cancer in 1991, Fay et al in Cancer Research in 1997.)</p>
<p><em>And your point is?  Just as many papers &#8211; if not more &#8211; have shown no correlation between meat consumption and cancer.  You&#8217;ve got to look at the whole of the data pool, not just cherry pick studies to prove whatever point you&#8217;re trying to make.</p>
<p>Cheers&#8211;</p>
<p>MRE</em></p>
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		<title>By: Sue O.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sue O.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Sep 2006 15:19:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a bit off-topic:

&quot;I heard somewhere, maybe NPR, that a lot of doctors were not happy with Jarvik&#039;s endorsement of Lipitor...&quot;

Hey, but all of us from the Milwaukee area love that Lipitor commercial with Dr. Jarvik.  It was filmed at the Milwaukee Art Museum in the new addition designed by Calatrava.

Sue O.

Hi Sue--

I&#039;m well acquainted with the Milwaukee Art Museum that has the fins (or whatever they&#039;re called) that change as the day goes on.  MD and I have spent a lot of time in Milwaukee over the past year and a half because that&#039;s where our PBS TV show Low Carb CookwoRx is filmed.

Cheers--

MRE


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a bit off-topic:</p>
<p>&#8220;I heard somewhere, maybe NPR, that a lot of doctors were not happy with Jarvik&#8217;s endorsement of Lipitor&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Hey, but all of us from the Milwaukee area love that Lipitor commercial with Dr. Jarvik.  It was filmed at the Milwaukee Art Museum in the new addition designed by Calatrava.</p>
<p>Sue O.</p>
<p>Hi Sue&#8211;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m well acquainted with the Milwaukee Art Museum that has the fins (or whatever they&#8217;re called) that change as the day goes on.  MD and I have spent a lot of time in Milwaukee over the past year and a half because that&#8217;s where our PBS TV show Low Carb CookwoRx is filmed.</p>
<p>Cheers&#8211;</p>
<p>MRE</p>
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		<title>By: Elaine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elaine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Sep 2006 12:13:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi. you replied to my last post:

&quot;I took 2 krill oil caplets and 2 Nordic Naturals ProOmega capsules.&quot;

What are the potencies of these pills in gm or mgm?

Thanks and loving PP.
Elaine

Hi Elaine--

2 caps of krill oil provide 150 mg EPA and 90 mg DHA; 2 caps of ProOmega provide 650 mg EPA and 450 DHA.  The krill oil fats are in the phospholipid form making them much more potent than their doses would imply.

Here is the info from the label of the krill oil:

EPA (eicosapentaenoic acid) 150.00mg 
DHA (docosahexaenoic acid) 90.00mg 
Omega-6 Fatty Acids 0 20.00mg 
Omega-9 Fatty Acids 0 85.00mg 
Phospholipids 0 400.00mg 
Astaxanthin 0 1.50mg 


Hope this helps--

MRE 


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi. you replied to my last post:</p>
<p>&#8220;I took 2 krill oil caplets and 2 Nordic Naturals ProOmega capsules.&#8221;</p>
<p>What are the potencies of these pills in gm or mgm?</p>
<p>Thanks and loving PP.<br />
Elaine</p>
<p>Hi Elaine&#8211;</p>
<p>2 caps of krill oil provide 150 mg EPA and 90 mg DHA; 2 caps of ProOmega provide 650 mg EPA and 450 DHA.  The krill oil fats are in the phospholipid form making them much more potent than their doses would imply.</p>
<p>Here is the info from the label of the krill oil:</p>
<p>EPA (eicosapentaenoic acid) 150.00mg<br />
DHA (docosahexaenoic acid) 90.00mg<br />
Omega-6 Fatty Acids 0 20.00mg<br />
Omega-9 Fatty Acids 0 85.00mg<br />
Phospholipids 0 400.00mg<br />
Astaxanthin 0 1.50mg </p>
<p>Hope this helps&#8211;</p>
<p>MRE</p>
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		<title>By: Elaine</title>
		<link>http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/uncategorized/jane-brody-mistress-of-unshakable-stupidity/#comment-748</link>
		<dc:creator>Elaine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Sep 2006 14:11:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, this is a question about an older post on Krill oil. You stated you took fish oil and krill oil and curcumin (sp) ? I don&#039;t think you gave dosgae potencies for anything but the last. Was wondering if you could expound a bit.
Thanks.

Hi Elaine--

Sure.  I took 2 krill oil caplets and 2 Nordic Naturals ProOmega capsules.

Best--

MRE</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, this is a question about an older post on Krill oil. You stated you took fish oil and krill oil and curcumin (sp) ? I don&#8217;t think you gave dosgae potencies for anything but the last. Was wondering if you could expound a bit.<br />
Thanks.</p>
<p>Hi Elaine&#8211;</p>
<p>Sure.  I took 2 krill oil caplets and 2 Nordic Naturals ProOmega capsules.</p>
<p>Best&#8211;</p>
<p>MRE</p>
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		<title>By: Kathy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kathy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Sep 2006 16:54:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do really like to read your stuff; very informative, but not meaning to offend, when it comes to my food I do not listen to anybody; there are just too many differing opinions - one doc says it&#039;s good for you, another says it&#039;s not. My cholesterol is great, my blood pressure is great, as far as I know my heart is great, and though I carry a few extra pounds it stretches out the wrinkles so I&#039;m fine with that. And I eat ALL kinds of fat.

Hi Kathy-

As I tell almost anyone who will listen, if your happy with your weight and your state of health, far be it from me to make any kind of dietary recommendation.

Cheers--

MRE</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do really like to read your stuff; very informative, but not meaning to offend, when it comes to my food I do not listen to anybody; there are just too many differing opinions &#8211; one doc says it&#8217;s good for you, another says it&#8217;s not. My cholesterol is great, my blood pressure is great, as far as I know my heart is great, and though I carry a few extra pounds it stretches out the wrinkles so I&#8217;m fine with that. And I eat ALL kinds of fat.</p>
<p>Hi Kathy-</p>
<p>As I tell almost anyone who will listen, if your happy with your weight and your state of health, far be it from me to make any kind of dietary recommendation.</p>
<p>Cheers&#8211;</p>
<p>MRE</p>
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		<title>By: Victoria</title>
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		<dc:creator>Victoria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Sep 2006 02:35:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just get annoyed by the sheer number of cholesterol medication commercials.  I see several every single day and I just keep thinking that if these people just went on a low-carb diet then many of them wouldn&#039;t need the medications.  Sadly, most doctors won&#039;t prescribe that sort of diet.  With my cholesterol at 214 my doctor sent me a letter telling me to stuff my face with carbohydrates (!) (my HDL was 82 and all ratios were good).  Why do they still think carbs are the answer to everything?  And how many people are being harmed by believing what&#039;s said is these commercials and going on medication they wouldn&#039;t need if they&#039;d eat a better diet?  Grrr...

Hi Victoria--

I experience these same frustrations daily.

Best--

MRE</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just get annoyed by the sheer number of cholesterol medication commercials.  I see several every single day and I just keep thinking that if these people just went on a low-carb diet then many of them wouldn&#8217;t need the medications.  Sadly, most doctors won&#8217;t prescribe that sort of diet.  With my cholesterol at 214 my doctor sent me a letter telling me to stuff my face with carbohydrates (!) (my HDL was 82 and all ratios were good).  Why do they still think carbs are the answer to everything?  And how many people are being harmed by believing what&#8217;s said is these commercials and going on medication they wouldn&#8217;t need if they&#8217;d eat a better diet?  Grrr&#8230;</p>
<p>Hi Victoria&#8211;</p>
<p>I experience these same frustrations daily.</p>
<p>Best&#8211;</p>
<p>MRE</p>
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		<title>By: simonfellows</title>
		<link>http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/uncategorized/jane-brody-mistress-of-unshakable-stupidity/#comment-745</link>
		<dc:creator>simonfellows</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Sep 2006 21:17:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://news.independent.co.uk/people/profiles/article1466409.ece

i&#039;d be curious if  you have wot to say about Singer ?

Sinc. and what about adding an &#039;s&#039; betwixt the &#039;a and the t&#039; eh ?!

Simon

Hi Simon--

Pete Singer is a man of strong beliefs.  I just don&#039;t happen to agree with any of them.

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<p>i&#8217;d be curious if  you have wot to say about Singer ?</p>
<p>Sinc. and what about adding an &#8216;s&#8217; betwixt the &#8216;a and the t&#8217; eh ?!</p>
<p>Simon</p>
<p>Hi Simon&#8211;</p>
<p>Pete Singer is a man of strong beliefs.  I just don&#8217;t happen to agree with any of them.</p>
<p>MRE</p>
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		<title>By: imsovain</title>
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		<dc:creator>imsovain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Sep 2006 17:49:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On page 60 of PPLP, you make reference to an ongoing study on elk nutrient composition.  Could you point to the results of that study?  If you knew the results of the study before you had written PPLP, what would you have said differently?  Any other pointers to nutrient analysis of pasture fed or wild meats would be appreciated.

Hi Imsovain--

As we were writing the PPLP that study was in the works at Colorado State University.  We had arranged for all the funding, had the experimental details worked out, and were awaiting our elk and deer collecting permits from the Colorado wildlife people.  Unexpectedly, they turned us down.  We argued with them for a while, then realized that we were wasting our time and moved on to more productive endeavors.

Loren Cordain has some data from other studies showing the breakdown of carcase fat in wild animals.  Check out his website at www.thepaleodiet.com.

Best--

MRE</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On page 60 of PPLP, you make reference to an ongoing study on elk nutrient composition.  Could you point to the results of that study?  If you knew the results of the study before you had written PPLP, what would you have said differently?  Any other pointers to nutrient analysis of pasture fed or wild meats would be appreciated.</p>
<p>Hi Imsovain&#8211;</p>
<p>As we were writing the PPLP that study was in the works at Colorado State University.  We had arranged for all the funding, had the experimental details worked out, and were awaiting our elk and deer collecting permits from the Colorado wildlife people.  Unexpectedly, they turned us down.  We argued with them for a while, then realized that we were wasting our time and moved on to more productive endeavors.</p>
<p>Loren Cordain has some data from other studies showing the breakdown of carcase fat in wild animals.  Check out his website at <a href="http://www.thepaleodiet.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.thepaleodiet.com</a>.</p>
<p>Best&#8211;</p>
<p>MRE</p>
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		<title>By: Audley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Audley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Sep 2006 13:04:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You just have to wonder what these people are thinking. On par with Ms. Brody&#039;s comments is our friend Michael Jacobson.
A free copy of Nutrition Action showed up in my mailbox a few weeks ago. I&#039;m not sure who submitted my name to them (I do know an avid vegan, she denies it), but since it was free and at my doorstep, I took a look. Wow, Mike J has not stopped with the &quot; 30 grams of artery clogging fat&quot; summation of any kind of animal product. It amazes me that these claims can be made with &quot;studies&quot;. How many people take that information as the &quot;right way&quot; to eat?
On a positive note; About 6 months ago a friend of mine noticed that I had lost weight and wanted to know what my secret was. My weight loss is so noticeable I get asked the question often; especially from people I have not seen in a while. Not many listen to, or like my answer. I told him to get rid of sugar, cut back on the carbs, up the protein, don&#039;t fear fats, lift weights and be happy. I saw him this past weekend, he took most of my suggestions (no weights, but hiking and other activities). Now people are asking him; what is the secret?  
BTW, Fred&#039;s blog is right on. I eat eggs WITH yolk everyday. I am due for another lipid profile, the last one was fabulous, I expect this one to be excellent as well.

Hi Audley--

Michael Jacobson would indeed be on my top ten list of nutritional idiots, right there along with Jane and Dean.

It&#039;s too bad he has such influence on the dietary mores of America.

Best--

MRE</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You just have to wonder what these people are thinking. On par with Ms. Brody&#8217;s comments is our friend Michael Jacobson.<br />
A free copy of Nutrition Action showed up in my mailbox a few weeks ago. I&#8217;m not sure who submitted my name to them (I do know an avid vegan, she denies it), but since it was free and at my doorstep, I took a look. Wow, Mike J has not stopped with the &#8221; 30 grams of artery clogging fat&#8221; summation of any kind of animal product. It amazes me that these claims can be made with &#8220;studies&#8221;. How many people take that information as the &#8220;right way&#8221; to eat?<br />
On a positive note; About 6 months ago a friend of mine noticed that I had lost weight and wanted to know what my secret was. My weight loss is so noticeable I get asked the question often; especially from people I have not seen in a while. Not many listen to, or like my answer. I told him to get rid of sugar, cut back on the carbs, up the protein, don&#8217;t fear fats, lift weights and be happy. I saw him this past weekend, he took most of my suggestions (no weights, but hiking and other activities). Now people are asking him; what is the secret?<br />
BTW, Fred&#8217;s blog is right on. I eat eggs WITH yolk everyday. I am due for another lipid profile, the last one was fabulous, I expect this one to be excellent as well.</p>
<p>Hi Audley&#8211;</p>
<p>Michael Jacobson would indeed be on my top ten list of nutritional idiots, right there along with Jane and Dean.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s too bad he has such influence on the dietary mores of America.</p>
<p>Best&#8211;</p>
<p>MRE</p>
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		<title>By: danielchongnd</title>
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		<dc:creator>danielchongnd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Sep 2006 02:48:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Dr. Eades, 
The following is something I posted on Art Devany&#039;s site (ArthurDevany.com).  Art is a staunch supporter of the paleo diet and lifestyle and a smart guy.  I was hoping you could also comment on it.  Here it is:

&quot;Hi Art,
I&#039;ll first say that I support most of the ideas you write about on this site.  That said, I had a question for you that I&#039;ve asked myself and can&#039;t seem to answer.  
While I agree that a &quot;paleo-style&quot; diet is most appropriate for health and longevity, I can&#039;t seem to answer this question:
Is it necessary?
In my efforts to answer it, the best answer I can come up with is &quot;No&quot;.  In other words, while I agree that 

low insulin levels,
regular/varied/non-excessive exercise,
good sleep,
little to no sugar or refined foods,
lots of veggies, and
effective stress coping methods

are all necessary to increase one&#039;s chances for a long time, I don&#039;t think that eating purely paleo is.  Do you?

The simplest argument that I have for this statement is as follows:  While I have not researched the topic at all, I would still be willing to bet that if you polled all the centenarians in the world today, few if any would admit to following a paleo diet, especially eating no grains.  If this turns out to be true, would you agree then that, if longevity is the goal in mind, there is no reason to not eat grains (assuming one follow most, if not all, of the above recommendations)?

Your thoughts on this matter would be much appreciated.
Daniel Chong

Hi Daniel--

All the centenarians alive today are those who have adapted to whatever diet they happened to have at hand and managed to live at least 100 years on it.  As I&#039;m sure you are aware, there is a bell shaped curve for all these kinds of analyses, and, in the case of centenarians, they are the ones way out on the long right hand tail.  If you take a large enough group of people and feed them for their entire lives on (insert your diet of choice here), some of them will make it to 100 years of age.  Because these outliers on the long tail of the bell-shaped curve lived to be 100 on such a diet doesn&#039;t mean that that particular diet is the best one for all people who want to live to be 100.  It simply means that some people live to be 100 on it.  Everyone alive today who is 100 years old lived through two world wars; does that mean that the stress caused by living through two episodes of global conflict leads to longevity?  I doubt it.

What I believe (and what, I suppose, Art DeVany believes (I&#039;ve don&#039;t know Art DeVany;until this comment I&#039;d never heard of him)) is that our genome developed over the last couple of million years on the diet at hand during that time, which, for the most part, consisted of meat, fish, insects, and a few roots, shoots and tubers.  It makes sense (to me, at least) that if this is the diet the forces of natural selection molded us to perform optimally on, then it&#039;s probably the best diet for a long, healthy life.

Best--

MRE</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Dr. Eades,<br />
The following is something I posted on Art Devany&#8217;s site (ArthurDevany.com).  Art is a staunch supporter of the paleo diet and lifestyle and a smart guy.  I was hoping you could also comment on it.  Here it is:</p>
<p>&#8220;Hi Art,<br />
I&#8217;ll first say that I support most of the ideas you write about on this site.  That said, I had a question for you that I&#8217;ve asked myself and can&#8217;t seem to answer.<br />
While I agree that a &#8220;paleo-style&#8221; diet is most appropriate for health and longevity, I can&#8217;t seem to answer this question:<br />
Is it necessary?<br />
In my efforts to answer it, the best answer I can come up with is &#8220;No&#8221;.  In other words, while I agree that </p>
<p>low insulin levels,<br />
regular/varied/non-excessive exercise,<br />
good sleep,<br />
little to no sugar or refined foods,<br />
lots of veggies, and<br />
effective stress coping methods</p>
<p>are all necessary to increase one&#8217;s chances for a long time, I don&#8217;t think that eating purely paleo is.  Do you?</p>
<p>The simplest argument that I have for this statement is as follows:  While I have not researched the topic at all, I would still be willing to bet that if you polled all the centenarians in the world today, few if any would admit to following a paleo diet, especially eating no grains.  If this turns out to be true, would you agree then that, if longevity is the goal in mind, there is no reason to not eat grains (assuming one follow most, if not all, of the above recommendations)?</p>
<p>Your thoughts on this matter would be much appreciated.<br />
Daniel Chong</p>
<p>Hi Daniel&#8211;</p>
<p>All the centenarians alive today are those who have adapted to whatever diet they happened to have at hand and managed to live at least 100 years on it.  As I&#8217;m sure you are aware, there is a bell shaped curve for all these kinds of analyses, and, in the case of centenarians, they are the ones way out on the long right hand tail.  If you take a large enough group of people and feed them for their entire lives on (insert your diet of choice here), some of them will make it to 100 years of age.  Because these outliers on the long tail of the bell-shaped curve lived to be 100 on such a diet doesn&#8217;t mean that that particular diet is the best one for all people who want to live to be 100.  It simply means that some people live to be 100 on it.  Everyone alive today who is 100 years old lived through two world wars; does that mean that the stress caused by living through two episodes of global conflict leads to longevity?  I doubt it.</p>
<p>What I believe (and what, I suppose, Art DeVany believes (I&#8217;ve don&#8217;t know Art DeVany;until this comment I&#8217;d never heard of him)) is that our genome developed over the last couple of million years on the diet at hand during that time, which, for the most part, consisted of meat, fish, insects, and a few roots, shoots and tubers.  It makes sense (to me, at least) that if this is the diet the forces of natural selection molded us to perform optimally on, then it&#8217;s probably the best diet for a long, healthy life.</p>
<p>Best&#8211;</p>
<p>MRE</p>
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