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		<title>By: Mike Dodge</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Dodge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 May 2007 13:58:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read the book and enjoyed it. The medical community today is not a lot different than it was hundreds of years ago. The &#039;establishment&#039; makes a statement of health based on personal beliefs and it comes science. Anyone who argues against the common beliefs is considered to be evil.

&lt;em&gt;It is interesting.  Meat eaters consider vegetarians stupid; vegetarians consider meat eaters as evil.&lt;/em&gt;

&lt;em&gt;Cheers--&lt;/em&gt;

&lt;em&gt;MRE &lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read the book and enjoyed it. The medical community today is not a lot different than it was hundreds of years ago. The &#8216;establishment&#8217; makes a statement of health based on personal beliefs and it comes science. Anyone who argues against the common beliefs is considered to be evil.</p>
<p><em>It is interesting.  Meat eaters consider vegetarians stupid; vegetarians consider meat eaters as evil.</em></p>
<p><em>Cheers&#8211;</em></p>
<p><em>MRE </em></p>
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		<title>By: Martha Kirtley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martha Kirtley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Mar 2007 01:45:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am currently wading my way through this book - no, I didn&#039;t buy it, the library did. If you really like social, political and religious history it will be a fascinating read.  I don&#039;t and am having trouble staying awake.  It seems the early vegetarians were convinced that God would let them atone for &quot;original sin&quot; (Adam eating from the Tree of Knowledge) if they stopped eating animal flesh.  Haven&#039;t gotten to Cheyne, yet.  Maybe it will liven up.

&lt;em&gt;Maybe today&#039;s vegetarians are atoning for the eco sins of their fathers.&lt;/em&gt;

&lt;em&gt;Cheers--&lt;/em&gt;

&lt;em&gt;MRE &lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am currently wading my way through this book &#8211; no, I didn&#8217;t buy it, the library did. If you really like social, political and religious history it will be a fascinating read.  I don&#8217;t and am having trouble staying awake.  It seems the early vegetarians were convinced that God would let them atone for &#8220;original sin&#8221; (Adam eating from the Tree of Knowledge) if they stopped eating animal flesh.  Haven&#8217;t gotten to Cheyne, yet.  Maybe it will liven up.</p>
<p><em>Maybe today&#8217;s vegetarians are atoning for the eco sins of their fathers.</em></p>
<p><em>Cheers&#8211;</em></p>
<p><em>MRE </em></p>
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		<title>By: David Brown</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Mar 2007 13:48:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I should have mentioned that I am an omnivore who consumes a diet rich in saturated fats from mostly dairy sources. I don&#039;t have a website but comment of mine on the www can be viewed by Googling &quot;David Brown: saturated fats&quot; or &quot;David Brown: unabsorbed calories&quot; or &quot;David Brown: calorie excretion&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I should have mentioned that I am an omnivore who consumes a diet rich in saturated fats from mostly dairy sources. I don&#8217;t have a website but comment of mine on the www can be viewed by Googling &#8220;David Brown: saturated fats&#8221; or &#8220;David Brown: unabsorbed calories&#8221; or &#8220;David Brown: calorie excretion&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: David Brown</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Mar 2007 13:37:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am a nutrition Science analyst. I&#039;m curious to know, have you read Biochemical Individuality by Roger J. Williams?

For me, realizing that variations in biochemical and biophysiological makeup predispose people to thrive on various dietary approaches has caused me to wonder what all of the fuss is about. Why the animosity between vegetarians and omnivores?

Apparently, avoiding red meat works for substantial numbers of people. However, it would be nice if there were some research correlating HDL blood cholesterol levels with omnivore/vegetarian approaches.

I understand higher HDL levels correlate with greater longevity; it&#039;s a characteristic often shared by centenarians. For example, &quot;...Dr. Nir Barzilai, who has been studying centenarians for genetic and biochemical clues to longevity. At the top of the list so far: HDL and lipoprotein size ... Small lipoproteins imply a shorter, less healthy life.&quot; http://www.fightaging.org/archives/000679.php)

Good website. I just now discovered it.

&lt;em&gt;Hi Dave--&lt;/em&gt;

&lt;em&gt;I have read Roger Williams&#039; book.  But I&#039;m not sure it applies to the omnivore/vegetarian debate.&lt;/em&gt;

&lt;em&gt;A few years back a remodeling project drove us from our bedroom, bath and shower to one of our guest rooms.  In my own familiar shower, I could turn the handle to precisely the correct position to ensure a flow of water of just the right amount of hotness for me.  When I used the guest shower, I had a helluva time getting the heat adjusted.  The handle and shower mechanisms were exactly the same in both showers, made by the same manufacturer, and installed at the same time.  If I had to get them repaired, they would both take the exact same parts.  Yet they were different.  When I turned the handle on the guest shower to the same place that worked so well on my own, I got a slightly different mix of hot and cold water that I had to fiddle with to adjust to my liking. But although slightly different, they were in more ways the same.  They both functioned to produce a mixture of hot and cold water channeled upward and directed out through a shower head.&lt;/em&gt;

&lt;em&gt;I view biochemical individuality as being analogous to the small differences in function between two anatomically identical showers.  I think minor variations in response to particular foods fall into the same category.  I don&#039;t believe that people are dissimilar enough that one group responds wonderfully to a vegetarian diet while another responds better to an omnivorous or a carnivorous diet.  I believe that humans were evolved to perform optimally on a particular diet.  The search for this diet occupies much of my time.  At this point in my quest I&#039;m pretty certain that that diet is a meat-based, low-carbohydrate diet.  I realize that there will be a variation of response to this diet just as there was a variation of response to my &#039;identical&#039; showers, but I don&#039;t think anyone will necessarily do better on a vegetarian diet.  I think there are people who seem to tolerate a vegetarian diet better than others, but that doesn&#039;t mean a vegetarian diet is optimal even for them.&lt;/em&gt;

&lt;em&gt;I could go on and on, but I&#039;m sure you get my point.&lt;/em&gt;

&lt;em&gt;Cheers--&lt;/em&gt;

&lt;em&gt;MRE &lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a nutrition Science analyst. I&#8217;m curious to know, have you read Biochemical Individuality by Roger J. Williams?</p>
<p>For me, realizing that variations in biochemical and biophysiological makeup predispose people to thrive on various dietary approaches has caused me to wonder what all of the fuss is about. Why the animosity between vegetarians and omnivores?</p>
<p>Apparently, avoiding red meat works for substantial numbers of people. However, it would be nice if there were some research correlating HDL blood cholesterol levels with omnivore/vegetarian approaches.</p>
<p>I understand higher HDL levels correlate with greater longevity; it&#8217;s a characteristic often shared by centenarians. For example, &#8220;&#8230;Dr. Nir Barzilai, who has been studying centenarians for genetic and biochemical clues to longevity. At the top of the list so far: HDL and lipoprotein size &#8230; Small lipoproteins imply a shorter, less healthy life.&#8221; <a href="http://www.fightaging.org/archives/000679.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.fightaging.org/archives/000679.php</a>)</p>
<p>Good website. I just now discovered it.</p>
<p><em>Hi Dave&#8211;</em></p>
<p><em>I have read Roger Williams&#8217; book.  But I&#8217;m not sure it applies to the omnivore/vegetarian debate.</em></p>
<p><em>A few years back a remodeling project drove us from our bedroom, bath and shower to one of our guest rooms.  In my own familiar shower, I could turn the handle to precisely the correct position to ensure a flow of water of just the right amount of hotness for me.  When I used the guest shower, I had a helluva time getting the heat adjusted.  The handle and shower mechanisms were exactly the same in both showers, made by the same manufacturer, and installed at the same time.  If I had to get them repaired, they would both take the exact same parts.  Yet they were different.  When I turned the handle on the guest shower to the same place that worked so well on my own, I got a slightly different mix of hot and cold water that I had to fiddle with to adjust to my liking. But although slightly different, they were in more ways the same.  They both functioned to produce a mixture of hot and cold water channeled upward and directed out through a shower head.</em></p>
<p><em>I view biochemical individuality as being analogous to the small differences in function between two anatomically identical showers.  I think minor variations in response to particular foods fall into the same category.  I don&#8217;t believe that people are dissimilar enough that one group responds wonderfully to a vegetarian diet while another responds better to an omnivorous or a carnivorous diet.  I believe that humans were evolved to perform optimally on a particular diet.  The search for this diet occupies much of my time.  At this point in my quest I&#8217;m pretty certain that that diet is a meat-based, low-carbohydrate diet.  I realize that there will be a variation of response to this diet just as there was a variation of response to my &#8216;identical&#8217; showers, but I don&#8217;t think anyone will necessarily do better on a vegetarian diet.  I think there are people who seem to tolerate a vegetarian diet better than others, but that doesn&#8217;t mean a vegetarian diet is optimal even for them.</em></p>
<p><em>I could go on and on, but I&#8217;m sure you get my point.</em></p>
<p><em>Cheers&#8211;</em></p>
<p><em>MRE </em></p>
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		<title>By: Dennis Waroway</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dennis Waroway</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Feb 2007 20:52:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s a review of this book on Slate today, (2/28/2007). This may save some time.
Really like your blog.
Regards,
Dennis</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s a review of this book on Slate today, (2/28/2007). This may save some time.<br />
Really like your blog.<br />
Regards,<br />
Dennis</p>
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		<title>By: Jon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Feb 2007 04:49:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dr. Mike - I thoroughly enjoy your blog.  I thought that you might like to know that a woman did a &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.slate.com/id/2160746&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;review&lt;/a&gt; of the book today at Slate.com:</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr. Mike &#8211; I thoroughly enjoy your blog.  I thought that you might like to know that a woman did a <a href="http://www.slate.com/id/2160746" rel="nofollow">review</a> of the book today at Slate.com:</p>
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		<title>By: simon Fellows</title>
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		<dc:creator>simon Fellows</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Feb 2007 00:51:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sir Hola.. would you have any thoughts on if a splash of berry juice would have any  negative effect on the healing capapcities of L Glutamine  please if taken together ?

thanks..as always a superb blog

&lt;em&gt;Hi Simon--&lt;/em&gt;

&lt;em&gt;I can&#039;t see why a splash of berry juice would have a negative effect.  Go for it.&lt;/em&gt;

&lt;em&gt;Cheers--&lt;/em&gt;

&lt;em&gt;MRE &lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sir Hola.. would you have any thoughts on if a splash of berry juice would have any  negative effect on the healing capapcities of L Glutamine  please if taken together ?</p>
<p>thanks..as always a superb blog</p>
<p><em>Hi Simon&#8211;</em></p>
<p><em>I can&#8217;t see why a splash of berry juice would have a negative effect.  Go for it.</em></p>
<p><em>Cheers&#8211;</em></p>
<p><em>MRE </em></p>
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		<title>By: Carly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Feb 2007 23:18:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You always reference the most intriguing books.  I would be most interested in knowing what those &quot;so many others... screaming for your attention,&quot; and those you&#039;ve already read are.  Perhaps in an upcoming post? *wink, wink*

Many years ago I had a stint with vegetarianism.  I&#039;ve noticed that in the past couple of years it&#039;s grown quite a bit in acceptance along with &quot;organic&quot; and &quot;green&quot; living.  I might just check this out of the library the next time I go there.

Best Regards!

&lt;em&gt;Hi Carly--&lt;/em&gt;

&lt;em&gt;If you saw the list of books &quot;screaming for my attention&quot; you would probably find most of them dull as dishwater.&lt;/em&gt;

&lt;em&gt;I hope you&#039;re not planning on reaffirm your vegetarian vows from years gone by.&lt;/em&gt;

&lt;em&gt;Cheers--&lt;/em&gt;

&lt;em&gt;MRE &lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You always reference the most intriguing books.  I would be most interested in knowing what those &#8220;so many others&#8230; screaming for your attention,&#8221; and those you&#8217;ve already read are.  Perhaps in an upcoming post? *wink, wink*</p>
<p>Many years ago I had a stint with vegetarianism.  I&#8217;ve noticed that in the past couple of years it&#8217;s grown quite a bit in acceptance along with &#8220;organic&#8221; and &#8220;green&#8221; living.  I might just check this out of the library the next time I go there.</p>
<p>Best Regards!</p>
<p><em>Hi Carly&#8211;</em></p>
<p><em>If you saw the list of books &#8220;screaming for my attention&#8221; you would probably find most of them dull as dishwater.</em></p>
<p><em>I hope you&#8217;re not planning on reaffirm your vegetarian vows from years gone by.</em></p>
<p><em>Cheers&#8211;</em></p>
<p><em>MRE </em></p>
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