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		<title>By: Nameless2</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nameless2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Mar 2009 15:53:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I initially saw this video, I sent it to all my friends who have high school/college aged kids.  I live in a small town where the town cops habitually pull over kids who drive better cars than most of the police force.  I have come to the conclusion that &#039;most&#039; of the kids in this age group in this town are basically good kids but they aren&#039;t that street-wise especially when it comes to dealing with the local police.  I find it amusing that our kids are taught in school what it means to be an American and their Constitutional Rights but they don&#039;t apply them when pulled over and wind up turning a non-issue into an issue.  I have three children - two are grown and out of the house, my youngest is 14.  I sat him down, let him watch the video and told him, &quot;This is for real - just because you&#039;re are a kid, you still have the same rights as an adult.  If you speak to them, they will lie and twist your words around so say nothing should the situation arise&quot;.   Kids don&#039;t realize how important this really is - it could very well protect their future and I&#039;m sick over the fact that I even had to have that conversation with my child.  All parents in today&#039;s society should be drilling one phrase into their child&#039;s head, &quot;I&#039;m not speaking to the police without my attorney present&quot;. 

What I found frightening was that a couple of years ago at the local high school, they sponsored a drug program - sort of a fyi for parents and kids about drugs, etc.  Of course, the State Police were there saying, &quot;Please don&#039;t be afraid to speak to the police, we need you to work with us concerning the drug issue - we need your help&quot; while the kids who were part of this program stood by, nodding their heads like mindless bobbleheads.  I wanted to stand up and say, &quot;Just WHO do you think you&#039;re talking to?&quot; - but refrained.  
To:  Nameless - My heart breaks for your son and your family - a terrible lesson to learn so young.  I hope your son comes to realize that he is one of many in that position and that he can overcome - he&#039;s learned a lesson early on so he&#039;s ahead of the game.  I hope he chooses to move on and rise above the garbage he&#039;s had to endure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I initially saw this video, I sent it to all my friends who have high school/college aged kids.  I live in a small town where the town cops habitually pull over kids who drive better cars than most of the police force.  I have come to the conclusion that &#8216;most&#8217; of the kids in this age group in this town are basically good kids but they aren&#8217;t that street-wise especially when it comes to dealing with the local police.  I find it amusing that our kids are taught in school what it means to be an American and their Constitutional Rights but they don&#8217;t apply them when pulled over and wind up turning a non-issue into an issue.  I have three children &#8211; two are grown and out of the house, my youngest is 14.  I sat him down, let him watch the video and told him, &#8220;This is for real &#8211; just because you&#8217;re are a kid, you still have the same rights as an adult.  If you speak to them, they will lie and twist your words around so say nothing should the situation arise&#8221;.   Kids don&#8217;t realize how important this really is &#8211; it could very well protect their future and I&#8217;m sick over the fact that I even had to have that conversation with my child.  All parents in today&#8217;s society should be drilling one phrase into their child&#8217;s head, &#8220;I&#8217;m not speaking to the police without my attorney present&#8221;. </p>
<p>What I found frightening was that a couple of years ago at the local high school, they sponsored a drug program &#8211; sort of a fyi for parents and kids about drugs, etc.  Of course, the State Police were there saying, &#8220;Please don&#8217;t be afraid to speak to the police, we need you to work with us concerning the drug issue &#8211; we need your help&#8221; while the kids who were part of this program stood by, nodding their heads like mindless bobbleheads.  I wanted to stand up and say, &#8220;Just WHO do you think you&#8217;re talking to?&#8221; &#8211; but refrained.<br />
To:  Nameless &#8211; My heart breaks for your son and your family &#8211; a terrible lesson to learn so young.  I hope your son comes to realize that he is one of many in that position and that he can overcome &#8211; he&#8217;s learned a lesson early on so he&#8217;s ahead of the game.  I hope he chooses to move on and rise above the garbage he&#8217;s had to endure.</p>
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		<title>By: Kate</title>
		<link>http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/tutorials/never-talk-to-the-police-without-an-attorney/comment-page-1/#comment-181248</link>
		<dc:creator>Kate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2008 20:48:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Things I learned from these videos:
1 - 10.  Do not talk to the police without a lawyer.  EVER.
11.  People like working hard, but not futilely.  Police bring someone in for questioning, get something they can work with and go with that.  Another way to put it is that human minds do not work with vacuums.  The person might not be guilty of the crime, but the police and lawyers CAN work with what s/he said, barring a better suspect.

Because I love my Constitutional rights, if a policeman ever asks to search my vehicle, I&#039;ll refuse.  I&#039;m willing to spend some time waiting for a warrant to be either issued or denied.  Might as well celebrate those rights while they&#039;re there!

Yes, the police do provide a valuable service and in general I appreciate the fact that they are there.

&lt;em&gt;I agree across the board.&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Things I learned from these videos:<br />
1 &#8211; 10.  Do not talk to the police without a lawyer.  EVER.<br />
11.  People like working hard, but not futilely.  Police bring someone in for questioning, get something they can work with and go with that.  Another way to put it is that human minds do not work with vacuums.  The person might not be guilty of the crime, but the police and lawyers CAN work with what s/he said, barring a better suspect.</p>
<p>Because I love my Constitutional rights, if a policeman ever asks to search my vehicle, I&#8217;ll refuse.  I&#8217;m willing to spend some time waiting for a warrant to be either issued or denied.  Might as well celebrate those rights while they&#8217;re there!</p>
<p>Yes, the police do provide a valuable service and in general I appreciate the fact that they are there.</p>
<p><em>I agree across the board.</em></p>
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		<title>By: Derek</title>
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		<dc:creator>Derek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 14:13:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The example you gave of misremembering the location of the practical joke is eerily similar to the Challenger study quoted in the book &quot;On Being Certain&quot; which is a fantastic read.

Very nice post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The example you gave of misremembering the location of the practical joke is eerily similar to the Challenger study quoted in the book &#8220;On Being Certain&#8221; which is a fantastic read.</p>
<p>Very nice post.</p>
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		<title>By: Gwen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gwen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 00:26:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Dr. Eades, 

Thanks for posting that video.  It was so informative that I decided to take the time to watch the video &quot;Haggus&quot; posted also - thanks Haggus!

By the way, please continue posting whatever strikes your fancy, even when it doesn&#039;t relate to nutrition :)

&lt;em&gt;Thanks.  I will.&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Dr. Eades, </p>
<p>Thanks for posting that video.  It was so informative that I decided to take the time to watch the video &#8220;Haggus&#8221; posted also &#8211; thanks Haggus!</p>
<p>By the way, please continue posting whatever strikes your fancy, even when it doesn&#8217;t relate to nutrition <img src='http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p><em>Thanks.  I will.</em></p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 23:52:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People have no idea how bad the situation is, until they get caught in the meat grinder. Several years ago, I just barely avoided a jail sentence. (The cop who thought that arresting me would be a brilliant career move since has been fired for shooting an unarmed suspect in the back.) The friend of a friend currently is in his fifth month in jail, awaiting trial on a weaponless assault charge. The victim is influential, and bail is set at half a million dollars--again, on a weaponless assault charge. Meanwhile, two nearly identical assaults have occurred in the same general location. The prosecution currently is stalling and monkeying with witnesses, in the obvious hope of shifting the time of the assault forward about half an hour, because this man has an alibi for the time the assault actually occurred. And so on and so forth.

We&#039;re living in a police state, folks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People have no idea how bad the situation is, until they get caught in the meat grinder. Several years ago, I just barely avoided a jail sentence. (The cop who thought that arresting me would be a brilliant career move since has been fired for shooting an unarmed suspect in the back.) The friend of a friend currently is in his fifth month in jail, awaiting trial on a weaponless assault charge. The victim is influential, and bail is set at half a million dollars&#8211;again, on a weaponless assault charge. Meanwhile, two nearly identical assaults have occurred in the same general location. The prosecution currently is stalling and monkeying with witnesses, in the obvious hope of shifting the time of the assault forward about half an hour, because this man has an alibi for the time the assault actually occurred. And so on and so forth.</p>
<p>We&#8217;re living in a police state, folks.</p>
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		<title>By: nameless</title>
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		<dc:creator>nameless</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 15:43:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wish I had seen this a couple of years ago. My family has been touched by this type of police manipulation. This story will give those parents of teenagers something to think about discuss with them.

A few years ago my son was stopped by police because he was smoking pot while driving with some friends and a girl he had just met. (Granted I don&#039;t condone smoking pot and I realize that what he was doing is illegal.) My son was 18 at the time, taking AP classes in high school, getting good grades with the intent of becoming a history teacher someday. He had never been arrested. The officer found a very small amount of pot on my son, the minimum amount of pot on the girl which would allow arresting her with intent to sell which was somewhere between 2-3 ounces apparently. 

At the police station my son requested to call his parents but was not allowed to. The officer started to talk to him about getting high, that he smokes etc., getting my son relaxed about the whole thing. The officer suspected that my son was in on selling pot with this girl. My son claimed he was not a drug dealer (true) didn&#039;t know this girl had that much pot on her (true) and had just met her (true). The officer asked him if he knew people who sold pot. &quot;Yes.&quot; The officer asked what if one of your friends asked you where to get pot? My son:&quot;I might tell them if I knew where I thought they could get some.&quot;

After this went on for a couple of hours, the officer wrote a description of the nights events and told my son to sign. My son claimed it wasn&#039;t really what he had said and that the officer twisted his words around enough to give a different impression. The officer used phrases like, hooked people up with drugs, etc. But being under pressure, very scared, feeling helpless, tired and under the influence, my son signed.

I called the police station the next morning and complained to this officer&#039;s boss. I could not believe what had just happened. Big mistake! I quickly realized it was a useless attempt. As a result, my son was charged with the felony a hard core drug dealer gets, which is allowed as the driver of the vehicle. He was expelled from high school, did escape jail but was put on probation for 2 years and required to go to daily classes for almost the whole time with all of these hood rats as the officer in the video calls them. Even his probation officer constantly claimed that the whole situation was a shame and that my son didn&#039;t belong in the system. It was a totally demoralizing, depressing and frustrating experience for him. It sent him into a downward spiral which honestly I don&#039;t believe he will ever recover from. He does not want to go back to school and feels that this experience took too much from his life in both time and his spirit. Of course it is hard to convince young people that they still have their whole life ahead of them. 

Maybe the lawyer that cost us thousands kept him out of jail. We&#039;ll never know. The lawyer did say that if my son never talked to the police, the court probably would have dropped the charges. A tough way to learn a lesson...

&lt;em&gt;A tough way, indeed.  I&#039;m sure the officer responsible went home after a hard day&#039;s work and never gave what he did another thought.  Meanwhile a young life has been totally turned upside down for the most minor of infractions.  The officers involved should be ashamed.  My condolences.&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wish I had seen this a couple of years ago. My family has been touched by this type of police manipulation. This story will give those parents of teenagers something to think about discuss with them.</p>
<p>A few years ago my son was stopped by police because he was smoking pot while driving with some friends and a girl he had just met. (Granted I don&#8217;t condone smoking pot and I realize that what he was doing is illegal.) My son was 18 at the time, taking AP classes in high school, getting good grades with the intent of becoming a history teacher someday. He had never been arrested. The officer found a very small amount of pot on my son, the minimum amount of pot on the girl which would allow arresting her with intent to sell which was somewhere between 2-3 ounces apparently. </p>
<p>At the police station my son requested to call his parents but was not allowed to. The officer started to talk to him about getting high, that he smokes etc., getting my son relaxed about the whole thing. The officer suspected that my son was in on selling pot with this girl. My son claimed he was not a drug dealer (true) didn&#8217;t know this girl had that much pot on her (true) and had just met her (true). The officer asked him if he knew people who sold pot. &#8220;Yes.&#8221; The officer asked what if one of your friends asked you where to get pot? My son:&#8221;I might tell them if I knew where I thought they could get some.&#8221;</p>
<p>After this went on for a couple of hours, the officer wrote a description of the nights events and told my son to sign. My son claimed it wasn&#8217;t really what he had said and that the officer twisted his words around enough to give a different impression. The officer used phrases like, hooked people up with drugs, etc. But being under pressure, very scared, feeling helpless, tired and under the influence, my son signed.</p>
<p>I called the police station the next morning and complained to this officer&#8217;s boss. I could not believe what had just happened. Big mistake! I quickly realized it was a useless attempt. As a result, my son was charged with the felony a hard core drug dealer gets, which is allowed as the driver of the vehicle. He was expelled from high school, did escape jail but was put on probation for 2 years and required to go to daily classes for almost the whole time with all of these hood rats as the officer in the video calls them. Even his probation officer constantly claimed that the whole situation was a shame and that my son didn&#8217;t belong in the system. It was a totally demoralizing, depressing and frustrating experience for him. It sent him into a downward spiral which honestly I don&#8217;t believe he will ever recover from. He does not want to go back to school and feels that this experience took too much from his life in both time and his spirit. Of course it is hard to convince young people that they still have their whole life ahead of them. </p>
<p>Maybe the lawyer that cost us thousands kept him out of jail. We&#8217;ll never know. The lawyer did say that if my son never talked to the police, the court probably would have dropped the charges. A tough way to learn a lesson&#8230;</p>
<p><em>A tough way, indeed.  I&#8217;m sure the officer responsible went home after a hard day&#8217;s work and never gave what he did another thought.  Meanwhile a young life has been totally turned upside down for the most minor of infractions.  The officers involved should be ashamed.  My condolences.</em></p>
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		<title>By: Max Harris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Max Harris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 14:33:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wise advice. Don&#039;t talk to your federal government about enforcement action without an attorney. Know your rights, assuming they are knowable. Hire expertise to know them where they are more complicated.

-MLH, your friendly federal employee (I only enforce on feds)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wise advice. Don&#8217;t talk to your federal government about enforcement action without an attorney. Know your rights, assuming they are knowable. Hire expertise to know them where they are more complicated.</p>
<p>-MLH, your friendly federal employee (I only enforce on feds)</p>
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		<title>By: lynn</title>
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		<dc:creator>lynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 02:02:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry Mike but the US is wayyyyyyy more PC than the UK. Tune into Little Britain USA on HBO to see what I mean. That is shown on normal TV over here :)

&lt;em&gt;I&#039;ll give it a look.&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry Mike but the US is wayyyyyyy more PC than the UK. Tune into Little Britain USA on HBO to see what I mean. That is shown on normal TV over here <img src='http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p><em>I&#8217;ll give it a look.</em></p>
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		<title>By: SusanJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>SusanJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Oct 2008 20:14:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>These videos were fascinating and I had the same experience as you and an earlier poster -- was only planning to watch a minute or two and couldn&#039;t stop.

Nonetheless, I feel constrained to say the following.  I check your blog for your interesting and valuable insights into nutrition which have been very helpful to me.  However, I am finding your increasing number of posts on random topics quite disconcerting.  Moreover, the fact that  I happen to disagree with some of your &quot;political&quot; views is starting to spill over into my wondering about the reliability of your writings on nutrition.  (I&#039;m not trying to justify that I feel this way -- just trying to be honest.)

Why not start a separate (sub)blog for these &quot;off-topic&quot; posts?

&lt;em&gt;Perhaps the reliability of my nutritional writings should reflect on the reliability of my political writings.

Cheers--

MRE&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These videos were fascinating and I had the same experience as you and an earlier poster &#8212; was only planning to watch a minute or two and couldn&#8217;t stop.</p>
<p>Nonetheless, I feel constrained to say the following.  I check your blog for your interesting and valuable insights into nutrition which have been very helpful to me.  However, I am finding your increasing number of posts on random topics quite disconcerting.  Moreover, the fact that  I happen to disagree with some of your &#8220;political&#8221; views is starting to spill over into my wondering about the reliability of your writings on nutrition.  (I&#8217;m not trying to justify that I feel this way &#8212; just trying to be honest.)</p>
<p>Why not start a separate (sub)blog for these &#8220;off-topic&#8221; posts?</p>
<p><em>Perhaps the reliability of my nutritional writings should reflect on the reliability of my political writings.</p>
<p>Cheers&#8211;</p>
<p>MRE</em></p>
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		<title>By: Amelie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amelie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Oct 2008 18:05:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To watch the YouTube videos, you need to have (whatever) version of Adobe Flash installed. I don&#039;t remember what the most recent version is - 9 for most systems, I think? Youtube uses the Flash video format, and embeds the video in the page.

You can download it from this page:

http://www.adobe.com/products/flashplayer/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To watch the YouTube videos, you need to have (whatever) version of Adobe Flash installed. I don&#8217;t remember what the most recent version is &#8211; 9 for most systems, I think? Youtube uses the Flash video format, and embeds the video in the page.</p>
<p>You can download it from this page:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.adobe.com/products/flashplayer/" rel="nofollow">http://www.adobe.com/products/flashplayer/</a></p>
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