1. Do we know for sure that when the body is AGEing it’s proteins, it is not in the body’s best interest?
2. Have we ever seen anybody with a protein deficiency, that does not also have a caloric deficiency?
3. Is not every cell of the body fueled by glucose and/or fructose, and is not convert fats and proteins into glucose an energy expensive and “dirty” process, producing ketone bodies and higher levels of enervation and toxemia? Do not carnovorour mammals generally require a lot more sleep and rest than vegetarian creatures?
4. Does not the overconsumption of fat clog the blood and interfere with absorption as well as drainage? Now here I recognize that vegetarians eat just as much fat as omnivores. Is not all meat and animal foods, and almost all protein rich foods heavy in fat?
5. Proteins are the building blocks of physiology, like metal for cars. But aside from minor repairs to damaged parts that can’t be met by recycling proteins, just as we don’t feed our cars metal, do we need to eat that much protein for repair?
6. Is our digestive physiology and anatomy fitted to flesh eating compared to carnivores? Is our stomach acid not much weaker in strength than omnivores, is our digestive track not much longer, causing meat to pass slowly and putrefy on the way? Did I smell worse when I ate flesh than I do now when I eat none and eat more fruits and vegetables? Is that not evidence? How do we keep animal meat from putrefying in our gut? this is a serious question I ask all meat eaters.
7. Is our psychological disposition geared towards flesh eating, and is this not evidence of our natural diet? And is it not best to test this with children who are pure and unconditioned?
8. Could any of us take down an animal with horns with our bare fists and teeth? Or assuming it’s dead already, could we pierce it’s skin with our front ‘canine’ teeth? would we eat such fare with relish, compared to a tree ripened mango, say? Is this not evidence of our natural diet?
9. Is our ‘natural diet’, whatever that turns out to be, not inevitably the best diet for health?
10. Must all vegetarians, even those who live poorly, inherited weakness, or eat junk demonstrate high levels of health as proot of vegetarianism?

Sincerely, sincerely, sincerely, sincerely, sincerely and non dogmatically.

Too many questions to deal with in a comment response. Many are answered in the post I just put up. Thanks for being civil.

im new to the site here and love it immediately. Great site, great infos for me.

One off topic comment to the vegi or not controversy:

a close friend of mine brought it to the point: he said to an religiously vegetarian:

hey, my food poop on yours

… all said

Regards,
Nina K.

Now I’m leaning toward some middle ground. I eat a lot of meat, and I think I’ll cut back a bit, and maybe eat some more fish for variety.

I also have an eating disorder where I occasionally eat everything in the house.

Because I don’t have anything in the house (usually) that isn’t in line with my usual dietary habit, eating everything usually means I get to feeling over stuffed and the next day I’m recovered and resume my usual eating habits.

I suspect these guy’s who weigh 700 pounds and have to be lifted out of their windows with a crane have the same eating disorder but too many carbs available.

http://www.lef.org/magazine/mag2006/jan2006_awsi_01.htm

mentioning carnosine as a possible fix for glycation, I have started to try it, but I’m curious if anybody else knows anything about it, (but I am going to reintroduce fish, eggs & cheese back into my diet…

Carnosine is pretty good stuff. It’s starting to get a lot more play in the literature. There is a lot of it in meat, thus the name CARNosine.

It’s total hogwash and nonsense that your liver is ’severely taxed’ from the protein in your diet. Low carbers don’t eat all that much more protein than anyone else, and even if they did, it wouldn’t tax the liver. I wonder if they don’t teach biochemistry and physiology in naturopath schools? I would think not except that I’ve heard this same nonsense from MDs, and I know MDs get biochem and physiology in medical school.

Try to get you diet jump started by substituting a couple of protein shakes for meals, then eat a whole-food, low-carb meal for supper.

And while I’ve never suffered from the dizzy spells or acne, or other weird experiences some have claimed here, which I suspect may have come from most peoples’ early trials at vegetarianism (which almost inevitably end up being some kind of bread or Cheese Pizza Diet) — I try to eat plenty of eggs, nuts, and soy in moderation (estrogen, really?) — I think the largest benefits thus far in being a vegetarian is that it rules out most fast food (and other mindless sources) and forces me to read labels.

So when I’m looking for things like chicken stock or lard (not exactly requisites for a paleo diet), it’s easy enough while I’m at it to look for things like enriched/bleached flour and corn syrup.

And to me, it’s the paying attention part that matters. Both paleo-dieters and myself have something in common; we’re both looking to reduce carbs, and find better sources of protein. Paleo-dieters may get there faster, that’s okay. I’m not sure exactly what they gain by beating me over the head with it.

P.S. I do not think meat was easily available or heavily consumed in the paleo-diet as theorists suggest, nor was it consumed to the degree that say, modern Americans do. Our (and chimp) evolution high protein meats are somewhat of a luxury. Occasional, rather than something heavily feasted upon three meals a day.

It is also pretty much impossible to tell from prehistoric food pits, the frequency with which meat was consumed based on the animal bones alone. It’s easy to look at that data and say, “Wow there’s a ton of animal bones here, they must have ate meat all the time.” Hardly a scientific conclusion, if I may say so. It’s possible to say roughly over how many years the food pit was used, or what broader time span, but to derive any kind of daily consumption data from it would be next-to-impossible.

While adequate protein is a necessary part of a modern diet, it is not necessarily proven that source of protein is or has to be meat. Unless of course, you like it. Which brings me to a larger point; In this modern age we have the luxury of preference in where we acquire our nutrients. Bugs and reptiles are probably a great source of protein, though I doubt you’ll find many Western paleo-dieters eating them. Interesting, isn’t it? Surely they must be missing out on some health advantages!

Or might I propose, we just eat what we like as long as we can find ways to reshape our tastes along an axis of long term health. Get the best nutrients you can, from the sources you enjoy the most.