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		<title>By: Mary Titus, Orange California</title>
		<link>http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/statins/statin-panic/#comment-74290</link>
		<dc:creator>Mary Titus, Orange California</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2007 03:55:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know Dr. Mike, I try over and over again to help my mom to not just follow every thing that her doctor &quot;feeds&quot; her. She is just as responsible for her body and her health as her doctor.  The doctor tells her her cholesterol is high, doesn&#039;t tell her what the numbers are but gives her statins. Has her cholesterol improved? How does she know, she doesn&#039;t bother to ask what her numbers are. She assumes that her doctor is giving her the best tratment. I mean, we all have worked in the medical profession and she acts like she doesn&#039;t have to think when she has a doctor taking care of her. It is frustrating and I am sure that my venting is making no sense. But at least I can vent to a doctor. 

Thanks,
Mary

&lt;em&gt;Feel free to vent here any time.  I totally understand your frustration.

Cheers--

MRE&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know Dr. Mike, I try over and over again to help my mom to not just follow every thing that her doctor &#8220;feeds&#8221; her. She is just as responsible for her body and her health as her doctor.  The doctor tells her her cholesterol is high, doesn&#8217;t tell her what the numbers are but gives her statins. Has her cholesterol improved? How does she know, she doesn&#8217;t bother to ask what her numbers are. She assumes that her doctor is giving her the best tratment. I mean, we all have worked in the medical profession and she acts like she doesn&#8217;t have to think when she has a doctor taking care of her. It is frustrating and I am sure that my venting is making no sense. But at least I can vent to a doctor. </p>
<p>Thanks,<br />
Mary</p>
<p><em>Feel free to vent here any time.  I totally understand your frustration.</p>
<p>Cheers&#8211;</p>
<p>MRE</em></p>
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		<title>By: Jane Brody and her elevated cholesterol &#187; Michael R. Eades, M.D.</title>
		<link>http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/statins/statin-panic/#comment-47816</link>
		<dc:creator>Jane Brody and her elevated cholesterol &#187; Michael R. Eades, M.D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2007 06:04:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the bosom of the ever-effective statins despite the fact that the preponderance of properly done studies have shown that statins confer no health benefits to women of any age and that women over the age [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Is the Low Carb Low Calorie Diet Good for you or Not? &#8212; Everything True</title>
		<link>http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/statins/statin-panic/#comment-36299</link>
		<dc:creator>Is the Low Carb Low Calorie Diet Good for you or Not? &#8212; Everything True</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2007 20:19:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Michael R. Eades, M.D.are of a low-fat, high-carb diet lowering the LDL to sub 130 mg/dL levels, so these recommendations. obscure journal, indicates that people who have low LDL-cholesterol (LDL) levels have a higher risk. on had low cholesterol levels. So, why should we as a society spend over $100,000 per year. a correlation between diet and cholesterol, cholesterol and heart disease, nor diet and heart disease., or as cholesterol-lowering agents having a neuroprotective effect as regards PD. [My italics] Despite [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Michael R. Eades, M.D.are of a low-fat, high-carb diet lowering the LDL to sub 130 mg/dL levels, so these recommendations. obscure journal, indicates that people who have low LDL-cholesterol (LDL) levels have a higher risk. on had low cholesterol levels. So, why should we as a society spend over $100,000 per year. a correlation between diet and cholesterol, cholesterol and heart disease, nor diet and heart disease., or as cholesterol-lowering agents having a neuroprotective effect as regards PD. [My italics] Despite [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Rev. Jody Rivers</title>
		<link>http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/statins/statin-panic/#comment-25798</link>
		<dc:creator>Rev. Jody Rivers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Apr 2007 05:44:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What is your take on us folks who have the misfortune of having type 2 diabetes?  Should we be on a statin because of our great risk of heart disease?  Your opinion would be appreciated.  Thank-you.
Rev. Rivers

&lt;em&gt;Hi Rev. Rivers &lt;/em&gt;

&lt;em&gt;I can&#039;t give specific medical recommendations via this blog.  The decision as to whether or not you should be on statin drugs is one you will need to make in conjunction with your personal physician.&lt;/em&gt;

&lt;em&gt;It should be pretty obvious from my blog postings what my feelings are, but I&#039;m not your physician.&lt;/em&gt;

&lt;em&gt;Good luck.&lt;/em&gt;

&lt;em&gt;MRE &lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is your take on us folks who have the misfortune of having type 2 diabetes?  Should we be on a statin because of our great risk of heart disease?  Your opinion would be appreciated.  Thank-you.<br />
Rev. Rivers</p>
<p><em>Hi Rev. Rivers </em></p>
<p><em>I can&#8217;t give specific medical recommendations via this blog.  The decision as to whether or not you should be on statin drugs is one you will need to make in conjunction with your personal physician.</em></p>
<p><em>It should be pretty obvious from my blog postings what my feelings are, but I&#8217;m not your physician.</em></p>
<p><em>Good luck.</em></p>
<p><em>MRE </em></p>
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		<title>By: Dorothy Lee</title>
		<link>http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/statins/statin-panic/#comment-16005</link>
		<dc:creator>Dorothy Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Mar 2007 17:12:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi there,
I am so grateful for this blog. Thank you for your time and wisdom.
My question is:
We have talked about statins and cholesterol, I have a prescription for tricor to lower tryglycerites ( mine are in the 500-600 range). Now I am doing the lowcarb diet but is this going to be enough to bring levels down without the medication.
I would buy a dvd : )

&lt;em&gt;Hi Dorothy Lee--&lt;/em&gt;

&lt;em&gt;In my experience with many, many patients triglyceride levels of 500-600 mg/dL come down nicely with a low-carb diet to well within the normal range.  You should discuss it with your physician.&lt;/em&gt;

&lt;em&gt;Cheers--&lt;/em&gt;

&lt;em&gt;MRE &lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi there,<br />
I am so grateful for this blog. Thank you for your time and wisdom.<br />
My question is:<br />
We have talked about statins and cholesterol, I have a prescription for tricor to lower tryglycerites ( mine are in the 500-600 range). Now I am doing the lowcarb diet but is this going to be enough to bring levels down without the medication.<br />
I would buy a dvd : )</p>
<p><em>Hi Dorothy Lee&#8211;</em></p>
<p><em>In my experience with many, many patients triglyceride levels of 500-600 mg/dL come down nicely with a low-carb diet to well within the normal range.  You should discuss it with your physician.</em></p>
<p><em>Cheers&#8211;</em></p>
<p><em>MRE </em></p>
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		<title>By: Mary Titus</title>
		<link>http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/statins/statin-panic/#comment-11677</link>
		<dc:creator>Mary Titus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Feb 2007 04:20:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was wondering. You and Mary Dan discuss glucagon ( thanks for teaching us about that, BTW ). Can this hormone be thought of as a natural statin? Just wonderin&#039;.

Mary

&lt;em&gt;Hi Mary--&lt;/em&gt;

&lt;em&gt;Since elevated insulin levels drive a lot of metabolic processes that aren&#039;t particularly good, and since glucagon has an opposing effect on all these same processes, and since glucagon is only up when insulin is down, you could say that it acts as a natural statin, without all the side effects, of course.&lt;/em&gt;

&lt;em&gt;Cheers--&lt;/em&gt;

&lt;em&gt;MRE &lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was wondering. You and Mary Dan discuss glucagon ( thanks for teaching us about that, BTW ). Can this hormone be thought of as a natural statin? Just wonderin&#8217;.</p>
<p>Mary</p>
<p><em>Hi Mary&#8211;</em></p>
<p><em>Since elevated insulin levels drive a lot of metabolic processes that aren&#8217;t particularly good, and since glucagon has an opposing effect on all these same processes, and since glucagon is only up when insulin is down, you could say that it acts as a natural statin, without all the side effects, of course.</em></p>
<p><em>Cheers&#8211;</em></p>
<p><em>MRE </em></p>
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		<title>By: Matt S.</title>
		<link>http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/statins/statin-panic/#comment-11434</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt S.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Feb 2007 06:10:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sure, you&#039;ve probably seen more heart patients than me, as I am not a doctor.  Still, at the moment I can list 21 people who never smoked who have had heart problems.  Most are heart attack victims, although a few had bypasses or congestive heart failure.  I&#039;m sure I could come up with even more, although I would have to do a little digging to jog my memory or to ensure that they hadn&#039;t ever smoked.

Finally, as I said before, heart disease is still the number one cause of death, even among non-smokers.  For example, Utah, which has a large population of non-smokers, has about a 30-40% lower CHD mortality rate than the national average.  So, yes, smoking is probably a significant cause of CHD. Nevertheless, even the non-smokers still do have a fairly high CHD mortality rate (~60% that of smokers).

&lt;em&gt;Hi Matt--&lt;/em&gt;

&lt;em&gt;I&#039;ve seen a few hundred patients with heart attacks, and although most of the ones I remember smoked, I had forgotten about my own partner in one of my business ventures who never smoked, yet had a heart attack.  I&#039;m not making the case that no one has ever had a heart attack who never smoked, but the odds are much,much higher for smokers.&lt;/em&gt;

&lt;em&gt;Here is an interesting comment from a cardiac anesthesiologist on a discussion board for physicians only:&lt;/em&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;em&gt;I am a cardiac anesthesiologist. One day, I was doing another bypass (I have  done a few thousand bypass operations) and I got to thinking about a common link  between the patients. There was only one I could come up with. Smoking. With the  rare exception of familial hypercholesterolemia or juvenile onset diabetes, I  could not think of one patient I had put to sleep for bypass that was not a  smoker. I have, however, put several to sleep with &quot;normal&quot;cholesterol profiles.  Also, it is good reading to look at what &quot;normal cholesterol&quot;has been considered  over time. Back in the 70&#039;s, it needed to be blow 275 or 300. Over the years, it  has continually been ratcheted down to where we are today. I would be willing to  wager that if smoking is never started, the chance of needing coronary artery  interventions would be about 5% of the rate that smokers/reformed smokers have.  I don&#039;t know how the &quot;second hand smoke&quot; group would weigh in, but I think that  they would still be well below the &quot;first hand smoke&quot; rate. This is just my own  personal observation, and I don&#039;t have formal studies to back it up, so I just  throw this out for consideration and discussion.
&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;em&gt;He (or she) seems to have had the same experience as I have.&lt;/em&gt;

&lt;em&gt;Best--&lt;/em&gt;

&lt;em&gt;MRE&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sure, you&#8217;ve probably seen more heart patients than me, as I am not a doctor.  Still, at the moment I can list 21 people who never smoked who have had heart problems.  Most are heart attack victims, although a few had bypasses or congestive heart failure.  I&#8217;m sure I could come up with even more, although I would have to do a little digging to jog my memory or to ensure that they hadn&#8217;t ever smoked.</p>
<p>Finally, as I said before, heart disease is still the number one cause of death, even among non-smokers.  For example, Utah, which has a large population of non-smokers, has about a 30-40% lower CHD mortality rate than the national average.  So, yes, smoking is probably a significant cause of CHD. Nevertheless, even the non-smokers still do have a fairly high CHD mortality rate (~60% that of smokers).</p>
<p><em>Hi Matt&#8211;</em></p>
<p><em>I&#8217;ve seen a few hundred patients with heart attacks, and although most of the ones I remember smoked, I had forgotten about my own partner in one of my business ventures who never smoked, yet had a heart attack.  I&#8217;m not making the case that no one has ever had a heart attack who never smoked, but the odds are much,much higher for smokers.</em></p>
<p><em>Here is an interesting comment from a cardiac anesthesiologist on a discussion board for physicians only:</em></p>
<blockquote><p><em>I am a cardiac anesthesiologist. One day, I was doing another bypass (I have  done a few thousand bypass operations) and I got to thinking about a common link  between the patients. There was only one I could come up with. Smoking. With the  rare exception of familial hypercholesterolemia or juvenile onset diabetes, I  could not think of one patient I had put to sleep for bypass that was not a  smoker. I have, however, put several to sleep with &#8220;normal&#8221;cholesterol profiles.  Also, it is good reading to look at what &#8220;normal cholesterol&#8221;has been considered  over time. Back in the 70&#8242;s, it needed to be blow 275 or 300. Over the years, it  has continually been ratcheted down to where we are today. I would be willing to  wager that if smoking is never started, the chance of needing coronary artery  interventions would be about 5% of the rate that smokers/reformed smokers have.  I don&#8217;t know how the &#8220;second hand smoke&#8221; group would weigh in, but I think that  they would still be well below the &#8220;first hand smoke&#8221; rate. This is just my own  personal observation, and I don&#8217;t have formal studies to back it up, so I just  throw this out for consideration and discussion.<br />
</em></p></blockquote>
<p><em>He (or she) seems to have had the same experience as I have.</em></p>
<p><em>Best&#8211;</em></p>
<p><em>MRE</em></p>
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		<title>By: Karen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Feb 2007 17:05:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ooops, sorry, I see you have already addressed the question of second hand smoke in post #14 above.

&lt;em&gt;No problem.&lt;/em&gt;

&lt;em&gt;MRE &lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ooops, sorry, I see you have already addressed the question of second hand smoke in post #14 above.</p>
<p><em>No problem.</em></p>
<p><em>MRE </em></p>
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		<title>By: Karen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Feb 2007 16:40:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Dr Eades,
I read your blogs with much appreciation for the time and wisdom you so freely share.  Let me start with my thanks.

I have known 2 people who have had heart attacks and were not smokers.  Both were coccaine users.

I often worry about my risks of heart attack, since my brother, father, and his father, all had heart attacks in their mid-40&#039;s.  I am female, 49, diabetic.  I adopted a LC WOE and lost 53 pounds, and relaxed a bit when I read your comments about smoking and heart attacks, since I have never smoked.

However, my parents were both heavy smokers, and I know I spent my first 17 years as a heavy second-hand smoker.

Could you share your opinion on the danger of second hand smoke versus actually smoking, as it relates to the risk of heart disease?  Do you know of any studies on that topic?

BTW, I took lovastatin for a couple years and had very severe adverse affects, (muscle pain, extreme weakness, fatigue, memory problems, depression) and stopped taking them against my doctor&#039;s advise last September.  The problems are slowly clearing up.  But he denied that the statins could have caused it, in fact told me that if the statins were the cause, the symptoms would have cleared up within 48 hours of stopping.

Thank you,
Karen

&lt;em&gt;Hi Karen--&lt;/em&gt;

&lt;em&gt;Thanks for the history of what happened when you were taking statins.  I&#039;ve heard the same story from countless people.&lt;/em&gt;

&lt;em&gt;As to the second-hand smoke, I&#039;m sure it plays a slight role.  In your case, as in mine, where the exposure stopped long ago, I doubt (hope?) there is much residual effect.&lt;/em&gt;

&lt;em&gt;Cheers--&lt;/em&gt;

&lt;em&gt;MRE &lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Dr Eades,<br />
I read your blogs with much appreciation for the time and wisdom you so freely share.  Let me start with my thanks.</p>
<p>I have known 2 people who have had heart attacks and were not smokers.  Both were coccaine users.</p>
<p>I often worry about my risks of heart attack, since my brother, father, and his father, all had heart attacks in their mid-40&#8242;s.  I am female, 49, diabetic.  I adopted a LC WOE and lost 53 pounds, and relaxed a bit when I read your comments about smoking and heart attacks, since I have never smoked.</p>
<p>However, my parents were both heavy smokers, and I know I spent my first 17 years as a heavy second-hand smoker.</p>
<p>Could you share your opinion on the danger of second hand smoke versus actually smoking, as it relates to the risk of heart disease?  Do you know of any studies on that topic?</p>
<p>BTW, I took lovastatin for a couple years and had very severe adverse affects, (muscle pain, extreme weakness, fatigue, memory problems, depression) and stopped taking them against my doctor&#8217;s advise last September.  The problems are slowly clearing up.  But he denied that the statins could have caused it, in fact told me that if the statins were the cause, the symptoms would have cleared up within 48 hours of stopping.</p>
<p>Thank you,<br />
Karen</p>
<p><em>Hi Karen&#8211;</em></p>
<p><em>Thanks for the history of what happened when you were taking statins.  I&#8217;ve heard the same story from countless people.</em></p>
<p><em>As to the second-hand smoke, I&#8217;m sure it plays a slight role.  In your case, as in mine, where the exposure stopped long ago, I doubt (hope?) there is much residual effect.</em></p>
<p><em>Cheers&#8211;</em></p>
<p><em>MRE </em></p>
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		<title>By: Anna</title>
		<link>http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/statins/statin-panic/#comment-11247</link>
		<dc:creator>Anna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Feb 2007 07:34:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dr. Malcolm Kendrick&#039;s book, The Great Cholesterol Con has some info about the smoking/heart disease connection.  He says it is the same mechanism as Cushing&#039;s disease, i.e., HPA-axis dysfunction.  Haven&#039;t finished Colpo&#039;s book of the same title, so I don&#039;t know if he addresses smoking as a cause or not.

Anna

&lt;em&gt;Hi Anna--&lt;/em&gt;

&lt;em&gt;Anthony Colpo&#039;s book (which I haven&#039;t finished) fingers smoking as a risk factor (I noticed this in flipping through), but I don&#039;t know if he posits a mechanism.&lt;/em&gt;

&lt;em&gt;Cheers--&lt;/em&gt;

&lt;em&gt;MRE &lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr. Malcolm Kendrick&#8217;s book, The Great Cholesterol Con has some info about the smoking/heart disease connection.  He says it is the same mechanism as Cushing&#8217;s disease, i.e., HPA-axis dysfunction.  Haven&#8217;t finished Colpo&#8217;s book of the same title, so I don&#8217;t know if he addresses smoking as a cause or not.</p>
<p>Anna</p>
<p><em>Hi Anna&#8211;</em></p>
<p><em>Anthony Colpo&#8217;s book (which I haven&#8217;t finished) fingers smoking as a risk factor (I noticed this in flipping through), but I don&#8217;t know if he posits a mechanism.</em></p>
<p><em>Cheers&#8211;</em></p>
<p><em>MRE </em></p>
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