Comments on: ABC’s big meal propaganda http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/saturated-fat/abcs-big-meal-propaganda/ A critical look at nutritional science and anything else that strikes my fancy. Fri, 20 Nov 2009 22:44:55 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Anthony http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/saturated-fat/abcs-big-meal-propaganda/comment-page-2/#comment-232855 Anthony Fri, 11 Sep 2009 21:17:53 +0000 http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/?p=3186#comment-232855 Except in rare cases (such as, yourself), my faith in typical medical doctors has just plummeted to zero. It was already as low as can be, but after seeing this...count me out. Will admit I laughed a bit though when they mentioned saturated fat going straight to the arteries. It reminds me of those old cartoons we used to watch in school about government. Can just imagine one of them now "see, you eat saturated fat, and then it magically goes to your heart, and kills you. Eat more grain =D" Great blog btw, been seeing it a lot lately, will continue reading -Anthony <em>Thanks. Glad you're enjoying it.</em> Except in rare cases (such as, yourself), my faith in typical medical doctors has just plummeted to zero. It was already as low as can be, but after seeing this…count me out.

Will admit I laughed a bit though when they mentioned saturated fat going straight to the arteries. It reminds me of those old cartoons we used to watch in school about government. Can just imagine one of them now

“see, you eat saturated fat, and then it magically goes to your heart, and kills you. Eat more grain =D”

Great blog btw, been seeing it a lot lately, will continue reading

-Anthony

Thanks. Glad you’re enjoying it.

]]> By: Deidre http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/saturated-fat/abcs-big-meal-propaganda/comment-page-2/#comment-222246 Deidre Sun, 26 Jul 2009 00:32:31 +0000 http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/?p=3186#comment-222246 thx for the welcome. In a way, I'm on the front lines - watching people eat in my profession and following the capricious trends. I cast a critical eye on this socio-cultural experience, it's just fun when my own misgivings are echoed in some fact. (I need to start my own blog). Where the gravy glows- <em>Go for it. Great title!</em> thx for the welcome. In a way, I’m on the front lines – watching people eat in my profession and following the capricious trends. I cast a critical eye on this socio-cultural experience, it’s just fun when my own misgivings are echoed in some fact. (I need to start my own blog). Where the gravy glows-

Go for it. Great title!

]]> By: Deidre http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/saturated-fat/abcs-big-meal-propaganda/comment-page-2/#comment-222242 Deidre Sat, 25 Jul 2009 23:33:02 +0000 http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/?p=3186#comment-222242 just wanted to say I stumbled on your blog today and it is so refreshing. I always thought the cholesterol index was a little like a magical word for people to throw around without knowing what it meant. It's so dumb. I even started saying lipids are your friends. And I'm a waitress. I think so much of food is fake food - and I believe the so called health conscious or 'ethical' vegans are buying into fake food fantasy for their moral vanity. I know it's not nice but I don't believe in most of the foods out there. Garden burgers aren't burgers. I don't think people realize they are being sold an inferior product while pretending to assuage guilt for factory farming or other issues. Not that I want mad cow. But I think you are a voice of sanity. My mother is a juvenile diabetic (I'm adopted) and I always thought sugar was way more dangerous than fat. ...also, on a side note I appreciated your Vachel Lindsay page and the buffalo poem. I've been doing a lot of research on Native Americans so that was an unexpected bonus on this site. And the buffalo were deliberately wiped out to kill the indians as I'm sure you know. I look forward to more insights and sanity from the discovery of your blog. thanks a lot- <em>I'm glad you're enjoying the blog. Welcome aboard.</em> just wanted to say I stumbled on your blog today and it is so refreshing. I always thought the cholesterol index was a little like a magical word for people to throw around without knowing what it meant. It’s so dumb. I even started saying lipids are your friends. And I’m a waitress. I think so much of food is fake food – and I believe the so called health conscious or ‘ethical’ vegans are buying into fake food fantasy for their moral vanity. I know it’s not nice but I don’t believe in most of the foods out there. Garden burgers aren’t burgers. I don’t think people realize they are being sold an inferior product while pretending to assuage guilt for factory farming or other issues. Not that I want mad cow. But I think you are a voice of sanity. My mother is a juvenile diabetic (I’m adopted) and I always thought sugar was way more dangerous than fat.

…also, on a side note I appreciated your Vachel Lindsay page and the buffalo poem. I’ve been doing a lot of research on Native Americans so that was an unexpected bonus on this site. And the buffalo were deliberately wiped out to kill the indians as I’m sure you know. I look forward to more insights and sanity from the discovery of your blog. thanks a lot-

I’m glad you’re enjoying the blog. Welcome aboard.

]]> By: Dana http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/saturated-fat/abcs-big-meal-propaganda/comment-page-2/#comment-222156 Dana Thu, 23 Jul 2009 21:09:45 +0000 http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/?p=3186#comment-222156 Someone commented, "I very rarely watch TV news so thankfully missed that report but sometimes listen to a relatively small local radio station which lately has been airing an “ad” urging people to adhere to the AHA/ADA approved pyramid – especially for your children! I’m left with a mental picture of children being herded like animals into a pen to be force fed carbs and then handed pharmaceuticals in a vain attempt to correct the damage……" I got interested in the whole feeding-grain-to-kids thing way back when I first read Peter D'Adamo, and while there may be many reasons his blood type diet is B.S., I would also be interested in seeing more research done on lectins and how they interact with the blood type antigens in the GI tract, just 'cause I'm a huge geek and love to read about that stuff. Be that as it may, my daughter is type O, being that both her father and I are, and supposedly there are some differences in type Os that mean if you eat wheat, it makes your dopamine production all wonky and you get hyper and so on. Don't know if it's true, as I said, just sounds interesting. Well, I don't know if her dopamine production is involved at all, but I don't feed much grain to my daughter aside from rice, which seems fairly innocent even with its carb content (I have found that I can eat a moderate amount and stay in ketosis even with being 100 pounds overweight!) and doesn't seem to mess her up too badly. But wheat? Corn? Forget it. If she eats those she goes nuts. It matters not whether it's whole-grain, refined, canned, fresh, or whatever. Even popcorn sets her off. The only form of wheat I find she can tolerate, actually, is Ezekiel bread. But the proteins change in wheat when you sprout it, too, as with any seed. Don't even get me started on sugar. Actually, I think sugar makes her less crazy than wheat and corn do, particularly if she hasn't had a lot of it. I'm not ready to put her on something Atkins-ish, but I have a feeling she's going to spend most of her childhood at borderline low carb if not actually there. Her dad and I both have major abdominal fat and she's cursed with bad genes where type 2 diabetes is concerned on my mom's side. (You sneeze on the women in that family and they go diabetic.) And yet it's hard to shake the notion that she "needs" whole grains because she's a growing child. I try to mitigate it with the Ezekiel bread and with traditional sourdough where I can, but you know... early conditioning is tough. I wish I'd been more aware of actual human metabolic needs when she was a baby because I'd have never fed her grain at all. <em>Paleolithic children grew just fine without any grains at all, and they ended up stronger and with greater bone density than we humans have today.</em> Someone commented,

“I very rarely watch TV news so thankfully missed that report but sometimes listen to a relatively small local radio station which lately has been airing an “ad” urging people to adhere to the AHA/ADA approved pyramid – especially for your children! I’m left with a mental picture of children being herded like animals into a pen to be force fed carbs and then handed pharmaceuticals in a vain attempt to correct the damage……”

I got interested in the whole feeding-grain-to-kids thing way back when I first read Peter D’Adamo, and while there may be many reasons his blood type diet is B.S., I would also be interested in seeing more research done on lectins and how they interact with the blood type antigens in the GI tract, just ’cause I’m a huge geek and love to read about that stuff. Be that as it may, my daughter is type O, being that both her father and I are, and supposedly there are some differences in type Os that mean if you eat wheat, it makes your dopamine production all wonky and you get hyper and so on. Don’t know if it’s true, as I said, just sounds interesting.

Well, I don’t know if her dopamine production is involved at all, but I don’t feed much grain to my daughter aside from rice, which seems fairly innocent even with its carb content (I have found that I can eat a moderate amount and stay in ketosis even with being 100 pounds overweight!) and doesn’t seem to mess her up too badly. But wheat? Corn? Forget it. If she eats those she goes nuts. It matters not whether it’s whole-grain, refined, canned, fresh, or whatever. Even popcorn sets her off.

The only form of wheat I find she can tolerate, actually, is Ezekiel bread. But the proteins change in wheat when you sprout it, too, as with any seed.

Don’t even get me started on sugar. Actually, I think sugar makes her less crazy than wheat and corn do, particularly if she hasn’t had a lot of it.

I’m not ready to put her on something Atkins-ish, but I have a feeling she’s going to spend most of her childhood at borderline low carb if not actually there. Her dad and I both have major abdominal fat and she’s cursed with bad genes where type 2 diabetes is concerned on my mom’s side. (You sneeze on the women in that family and they go diabetic.)

And yet it’s hard to shake the notion that she “needs” whole grains because she’s a growing child. I try to mitigate it with the Ezekiel bread and with traditional sourdough where I can, but you know… early conditioning is tough. I wish I’d been more aware of actual human metabolic needs when she was a baby because I’d have never fed her grain at all.

Paleolithic children grew just fine without any grains at all, and they ended up stronger and with greater bone density than we humans have today.

]]> By: ~Blood sugar control freak~ http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/saturated-fat/abcs-big-meal-propaganda/comment-page-2/#comment-222062 ~Blood sugar control freak~ Tue, 21 Jul 2009 16:07:28 +0000 http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/?p=3186#comment-222062 here's my 2 cents I sent to GMA: I recently saw GMA's test of eating a cheesburger and tons of other foods in one sitting; fries, and cheesecake factory dessert, etc... GMA tested the eaters (fasting) blood, clear and then they tested it after they ate it all, cloudly. The example sample meal was a good example of what not to eat together, but they blamed the cheese burger for all the fat in the blood stream afterwards which is an URBAN MYTH! The test conclusion was just NOT scientifically correct! The cheese burger was not the culprit - it was ALL the carbohydrates that were consumed with the cheese burger that were at fault. The same effect would have been recieved if a chicken breast or fish was eaten, in place of the cheese burger. A cheese burger, eaten alone, won't have much effect on blood glucose levels which trigger the storage of fat (cholesterol & triglycerides in the blood). ABC's test was misinformation, they would do the public more service to educate them on limiting food intake and the need for fats, vegetables, fruits, and low GI carbs in the diet, rather than dis’n the cheese burger, which is a great source of essential fats, protein, and calcium. here’s my 2 cents I sent to GMA:
I recently saw GMA’s test of eating a cheesburger and tons of other foods in one sitting; fries, and cheesecake factory dessert, etc… GMA tested the eaters (fasting) blood, clear and then they tested it after they ate it all, cloudly. The example sample meal was a good example of what not to eat together, but they blamed the cheese burger for all the fat in the blood stream afterwards which is an URBAN MYTH! The test conclusion was just NOT scientifically correct! The cheese burger was not the culprit – it was ALL the carbohydrates that were consumed with the cheese burger that were at fault. The same effect would have been recieved if a chicken breast or fish was eaten, in place of the cheese burger. A cheese burger, eaten alone, won’t have much effect on blood glucose levels which trigger the storage of fat (cholesterol & triglycerides in the blood). ABC’s test was misinformation, they would do the public more service to educate them on limiting food intake and the need for fats, vegetables, fruits, and low GI carbs in the diet, rather than dis’n the cheese burger, which is a great source of essential fats, protein, and calcium.

]]> By: Kathy W. http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/saturated-fat/abcs-big-meal-propaganda/comment-page-2/#comment-221511 Kathy W. Tue, 14 Jul 2009 22:32:44 +0000 http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/?p=3186#comment-221511 fyi, that mac and cheese should be 69 g. of saturated fat, according to several diff. sources. Here's one at US News & World Report: http://tiny.cc/LTegW fyi, that mac and cheese should be 69 g. of saturated fat, according to several diff. sources.

Here’s one at US News & World Report:

http://tiny.cc/LTegW

]]> By: Mike OD - Fitness Spotlight http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/saturated-fat/abcs-big-meal-propaganda/comment-page-2/#comment-221180 Mike OD - Fitness Spotlight Sun, 12 Jul 2009 19:42:39 +0000 http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/?p=3186#comment-221180 It's sad to think how many people get all their medical info from stories like this...and then go on a low fat high carb diet....really sad. Saturated fat will never get mainstream approval...as that would mean all those people who pride themselves on being the "know it alls" (like the doctors in the clip) would essentially have to say "Sorry....I was wrong". Which will probably never happen to people who's egos are so big....that and the only big "sponsors" left for news channels with money (aka the drug companies) wouldn't allow such blasphemy. Keep up the great work....Keep helping people to cut through the mainstream crap....and I'll keep serving everyone steak at the BBQ! <em>It's a deal!</em> It’s sad to think how many people get all their medical info from stories like this…and then go on a low fat high carb diet….really sad. Saturated fat will never get mainstream approval…as that would mean all those people who pride themselves on being the “know it alls” (like the doctors in the clip) would essentially have to say “Sorry….I was wrong”. Which will probably never happen to people who’s egos are so big….that and the only big “sponsors” left for news channels with money (aka the drug companies) wouldn’t allow such blasphemy.

Keep up the great work….Keep helping people to cut through the mainstream crap….and I’ll keep serving everyone steak at the BBQ!

It’s a deal!

]]> By: Michael Gold http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/saturated-fat/abcs-big-meal-propaganda/comment-page-2/#comment-221154 Michael Gold Sun, 12 Jul 2009 15:58:31 +0000 http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/?p=3186#comment-221154 Dr. Eades: Thanks for providing analyses like these. Love to see some logic and reasoning behind a conclusion; hate to have conclusions thrown down on me like a ball and chain or a meteor from outer space straight down to the head. I teach for a living, and we have too much of the latter in the profession. I see it, and fight it, every day. It's no wonder to me why we have the intellectual climate we do; I know where it comes from and where it is created. Dr. Eades: Thanks for providing analyses like these. Love to see some logic and reasoning behind a conclusion; hate to have conclusions thrown down on me like a ball and chain or a meteor from outer space straight down to the head.

I teach for a living, and we have too much of the latter in the profession. I see it, and fight it, every day. It’s no wonder to me why we have the intellectual climate we do; I know where it comes from and where it is created.

]]> By: Rita http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/saturated-fat/abcs-big-meal-propaganda/comment-page-2/#comment-221130 Rita Sun, 12 Jul 2009 12:25:24 +0000 http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/?p=3186#comment-221130 http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/8136820.stm i'm sure you'll have something to say about this. <em>It's early days yet on this one. The data comes from rodent studies and can't really be extrapolated to humans. I've read the papers, and they're interesting, but it will be a while before it's known if this applies to humans as well as mice.</em> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/8136820.stm

i’m sure you’ll have something to say about this.

It’s early days yet on this one. The data comes from rodent studies and can’t really be extrapolated to humans. I’ve read the papers, and they’re interesting, but it will be a while before it’s known if this applies to humans as well as mice.

]]> By: Mike_D http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/saturated-fat/abcs-big-meal-propaganda/comment-page-2/#comment-221092 Mike_D Sun, 12 Jul 2009 04:25:20 +0000 http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/?p=3186#comment-221092 "A large dose of saturated fat causes a chemical reaction, wherein the arteries narrow and do not dilate properly. This means the heart must work harder to pump blood through the arteries. -- ABCNews" Really? I thought you made a timely and effective rebuttal -- maybe ABC will post an errata :lol: I noticed a statin sample promo banner ad on that page just a minute ago, it figures. “A large dose of saturated fat causes a chemical reaction, wherein the arteries narrow and do not dilate properly. This means the heart must work harder to pump blood through the arteries. — ABCNews”

Really? I thought you made a timely and effective rebuttal — maybe ABC will post an errata :lol:

I noticed a statin sample promo banner ad on that page just a minute ago, it figures.

]]>