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		<title>By: jody</title>
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		<dc:creator>jody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 02:05:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow I have several cats and three dogs.  We all work together and live well together.  Cats yes they fetch, the come when you whistle same as the dog.  They go outside and present me with mice sometimes two or three at once.  They are affectionate as much as the dogs and yes the dogs and cats sleep together when its cold. 

What really struck me odd was your reference to adopting out a child because he or she may or may not act appropriately to your liking. I have four adopted children and one bio and I find that offensive. On the other hand we adopted most of the cats we have because they were left out to die or thrown from a car by our house.  No matter how you feel about an animal there is no need to hurt them or feel the need to speak on behalf of an animal when you are not sure what they can&#039;t or can do.  

By the way I can&#039;t get one of my dogs to come when he is out or fetch.. Takes the darn freezbee and runs.   But I love him anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow I have several cats and three dogs.  We all work together and live well together.  Cats yes they fetch, the come when you whistle same as the dog.  They go outside and present me with mice sometimes two or three at once.  They are affectionate as much as the dogs and yes the dogs and cats sleep together when its cold. </p>
<p>What really struck me odd was your reference to adopting out a child because he or she may or may not act appropriately to your liking. I have four adopted children and one bio and I find that offensive. On the other hand we adopted most of the cats we have because they were left out to die or thrown from a car by our house.  No matter how you feel about an animal there is no need to hurt them or feel the need to speak on behalf of an animal when you are not sure what they can&#8217;t or can do.  </p>
<p>By the way I can&#8217;t get one of my dogs to come when he is out or fetch.. Takes the darn freezbee and runs.   But I love him anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: charlotte</title>
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		<dc:creator>charlotte</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jan 2010 21:11:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I could never understand why people who don&#039;t like cats feel the need to really voice that opinion. I know plenty of people who don&#039;t like dogs, but you&#039;d never know it. It&#039;s somehow acceptable to dislike cats (and prob why people who DO like cats are so much more vocal). Would anyone ever say &quot;I hate your kids. I can&#039;t see why anyone would like them&quot;? The fact is - dog OR cat - people love their pets. And by loving an animal we&#039;re not trying to say that animals are better than people. No. The reason why I love my cat and people love their animals is that they are celebrating a primal emotion, a connection to our paleo-past when coming into contact with an animal (always wild then!) was spiritual. There is a kinship to animals, an ability to see how animalistic we still are by how humanistic they can be, by how many traits we share in common. Also, when I look at my cat, I&#039;m amazed at what a perfect hunter he is. When I look at my dog, I&#039;m amazed at how adept his sense of smell is, how powerful they are. Let go of any prejudgement and let yourself just respect how &quot;neat&quot; they are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I could never understand why people who don&#8217;t like cats feel the need to really voice that opinion. I know plenty of people who don&#8217;t like dogs, but you&#8217;d never know it. It&#8217;s somehow acceptable to dislike cats (and prob why people who DO like cats are so much more vocal). Would anyone ever say &#8220;I hate your kids. I can&#8217;t see why anyone would like them&#8221;? The fact is &#8211; dog OR cat &#8211; people love their pets. And by loving an animal we&#8217;re not trying to say that animals are better than people. No. The reason why I love my cat and people love their animals is that they are celebrating a primal emotion, a connection to our paleo-past when coming into contact with an animal (always wild then!) was spiritual. There is a kinship to animals, an ability to see how animalistic we still are by how humanistic they can be, by how many traits we share in common. Also, when I look at my cat, I&#8217;m amazed at what a perfect hunter he is. When I look at my dog, I&#8217;m amazed at how adept his sense of smell is, how powerful they are. Let go of any prejudgement and let yourself just respect how &#8220;neat&#8221; they are.</p>
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		<title>By: Nataly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nataly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jan 2010 08:57:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hm...
First of all - it&#039;s depends on cat breed. Some of them - can&#039;t live without mice and birds, but others - need only pedigree and similar food. 
And, the first group, as a hunters - more indipendent than the second group. Yet, they both usually full of love and want to share it with their human friends. 
So, I deeply persuated, that any cat may become useless ONLY if the owner don&#039;t care about that. it&#039;s a pity, my great Maine Coon is on-half without daily work (speaking about mice), but I doing my best to help him be happy in that world!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hm&#8230;<br />
First of all &#8211; it&#8217;s depends on cat breed. Some of them &#8211; can&#8217;t live without mice and birds, but others &#8211; need only pedigree and similar food.<br />
And, the first group, as a hunters &#8211; more indipendent than the second group. Yet, they both usually full of love and want to share it with their human friends.<br />
So, I deeply persuated, that any cat may become useless ONLY if the owner don&#8217;t care about that. it&#8217;s a pity, my great Maine Coon is on-half without daily work (speaking about mice), but I doing my best to help him be happy in that world!</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 07:43:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>always a pleasure to read such posts. unlike dogs cats are useless in my opinion</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>always a pleasure to read such posts. unlike dogs cats are useless in my opinion</p>
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		<title>By: Whitecap</title>
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		<dc:creator>Whitecap</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jul 2009 03:39:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see my original comment is still awaiting moderation (stuck in the spam filter because of live links?) but I just wanted to clarify my ramblings on gut flora and macronutrient ratios, if I may.  Despite the fact that (1) gorillas and our ancestors diverged something like 7 million years ago, (2) we have undergone significant GI remodelling since (we don’t have big hindguts for fermenting a herbivorous diet like they do for one thing, maybe in large part because of our co-evolution of cultural adaptations including toolmaking and control of fire that allowed a shift to a much more nutrient dense diet) and (3) we have come to subsist on very different diets – gorillas on mostly leaves, and human populations on a variety of plant to animal food ratios ranging up to near carnivory, our two species nonetheless still have gut microbiota that apparently put both in the omnivore ballpark.  So GI anatomy and microbiota apparently don’t necessarily track each other closely in the evolution of a species. Ungar et al. in the article I quoted in my previous post suggest that the adaptive value of Homo’s putative dietary versatility may have allowed Homo erectus to range outside of Africa, the first hominin to do so.  I’m presuming that gut microbiota had an important role in allowing such versatility (perhaps wrongly?) and therefore wondering what role it still plays, if any, in allowing humans to subsist in good health, almost to the present day, on a variety of diets – Inuit to Kitavans and so forth.

&lt;em&gt;I&#039;m sure gut microbes play a role since there are God only knows how many of them residing within us.  They play a large role in herbivores because herbivores get most of their protein from digesting their dead gut microbes.&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see my original comment is still awaiting moderation (stuck in the spam filter because of live links?) but I just wanted to clarify my ramblings on gut flora and macronutrient ratios, if I may.  Despite the fact that (1) gorillas and our ancestors diverged something like 7 million years ago, (2) we have undergone significant GI remodelling since (we don’t have big hindguts for fermenting a herbivorous diet like they do for one thing, maybe in large part because of our co-evolution of cultural adaptations including toolmaking and control of fire that allowed a shift to a much more nutrient dense diet) and (3) we have come to subsist on very different diets – gorillas on mostly leaves, and human populations on a variety of plant to animal food ratios ranging up to near carnivory, our two species nonetheless still have gut microbiota that apparently put both in the omnivore ballpark.  So GI anatomy and microbiota apparently don’t necessarily track each other closely in the evolution of a species. Ungar et al. in the article I quoted in my previous post suggest that the adaptive value of Homo’s putative dietary versatility may have allowed Homo erectus to range outside of Africa, the first hominin to do so.  I’m presuming that gut microbiota had an important role in allowing such versatility (perhaps wrongly?) and therefore wondering what role it still plays, if any, in allowing humans to subsist in good health, almost to the present day, on a variety of diets – Inuit to Kitavans and so forth.</p>
<p><em>I&#8217;m sure gut microbes play a role since there are God only knows how many of them residing within us.  They play a large role in herbivores because herbivores get most of their protein from digesting their dead gut microbes.</em></p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jul 2009 23:54:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I am quite certain than the cat food industry knows that cats are obligate carnivores and they actually understand what the term means. This aside, they are dedicated to the bottom line.&lt;/i&gt;

It&#039;s amazing to me how horrified we were that some Chinese manufacturers added melamine as filler to cat food, when the manufacturers&#039; &quot;correct&quot; recipe calls for lethal amounts of (carbohydrate) filler!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I am quite certain than the cat food industry knows that cats are obligate carnivores and they actually understand what the term means. This aside, they are dedicated to the bottom line.</i></p>
<p>It&#8217;s amazing to me how horrified we were that some Chinese manufacturers added melamine as filler to cat food, when the manufacturers&#8217; &#8220;correct&#8221; recipe calls for lethal amounts of (carbohydrate) filler!</p>
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		<title>By: Dana</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jul 2009 03:25:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m actually not convinced that domestic cats are solitary.  But it depends.  They have a hard time adjusting to cats they don&#039;t know, but if it&#039;s their family group, they do fine.  The one drawback I can think of is that if you have a cat-family-oriented cat, it&#039;s less likely to bond to its owner, at least as far as I have observed.  But if you think about it, with lion prides, that&#039;s family-based too.

Trap-neuter-release activists have found that if you clear all the feral cats out of an area, more cats will move in but if you simply neuter the ferals and return them to their territory, they keep strange cats out and the population stabilizes.

I am currently owned by a tux kitty who knows when I have migraines.  She follows me around as it is and often lies at my feet when I&#039;m online, reading a book, or knitting;  she follows me around even more and cries outside my bedroom door if I&#039;m headachy.

I want to feed her and the other three girls a raw diet but we need to get settled here after our move and then I need to convince the other adult in the house that it&#039;s a good idea.  I compromise in the meantime:  they eat kibble, but there is no grain in said kibble.  It&#039;s meat-based with a few plant foods thrown in.  I don&#039;t have the ingredients list right in front of me but I went out of my way to find something low-carb.  The three cats being re-introduced to my household had been vomiting frequently with the crap previously fed to them.  They do it a lot less now.

I don&#039;t get dogs.  You have to pay even more attention to them than you do to children, and I have never been a touchy-feely kind of mom aside from what attachment parenting techniques I picked up in parenting my younger one.  I can&#039;t stand someone bouncing around me being needy 24/7--I was a pretty independent child myself, for one thing.  Meanwhile, I&#039;m finding you do need to work with cats a lot more than was previously believed if you want them to be less likely to pick up annoying behavior patterns, and if you want it to be easier to do things like administer medicine and bathe them.  If you don&#039;t handle them a lot as kittens it will be an uphill battle.

I&#039;m beginning to loathe the term &quot;omnivore.&quot;  I think there must be an incredible amount of overlap in what foods animals tolerate, that while our GI tracts *are* geared toward a certain class of foods, what sorts of enzymes we produce in response to which specific foods is going to vary hugely depending on a lot of factors.  So you have cows who get certain B vitamins from the bugs they eat along with their grass, you have dogs who can eat vegetarian (at least for a short time), and you have animals who originally descended from bug-eaters running the whole gamut of gastronomic possibilities.

I mean, that&#039;s what primates are.  We&#039;re bug-eaters.  The only reason we humans have not drawn the logical conclusion that this makes us carnivores is that for a long time we did not define bugs as animals.  Some of us still don&#039;t define *fish* as animals, which is why Catholics can get away with eating them on Fridays during Lent.

At this point as far as I&#039;m concerned &quot;omnivore&quot; means &quot;I can eat foods beyond what my GI tract is equipped to handle and not die soon afterward.&quot;  But I suspect that if you scratch an omnivore you will still be able to look at their GI tract and be able to tell where the bulk of their diet should come from.

I was shocked to learn recently that robins eat mulberries.  I had always pegged them as bug-eaters, but one had nested in a magnolia in front of our house and she was picking the berries from our tree to feed to her chicks.  Bizarre, but no different than orangutans eating salad.  By the way, did you know orangs have culture?  They released this group of them from a zoo or something and rehabbed them to the wild--well, the poor things hadn&#039;t been in the wild for so long they didn&#039;t know what to do with themselves, so they kind of made it up as they went along.  No wonder they&#039;re vegetarian.  At some point they must have made a conscious decision that that was a good idea too, and then passed it on to their kids.  They could as easily go the other way and get back to bugs and monkeys, of course.

By the way, another thing that annoys me aside from the word &quot;omnivore&quot; is the term &quot;is designed to...&quot; when referring to a living thing&#039;s body parts.  It&#039;s one thing if you are a creationist, quite another if you hold to evolutionary theory.  I won&#039;t be a hypocrite here, I know it&#039;s a habit and I&#039;ve been trying to kick it myself.  Been trying to substitute &quot;is adapted to&quot; instead, and seem to be getting better at it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m actually not convinced that domestic cats are solitary.  But it depends.  They have a hard time adjusting to cats they don&#8217;t know, but if it&#8217;s their family group, they do fine.  The one drawback I can think of is that if you have a cat-family-oriented cat, it&#8217;s less likely to bond to its owner, at least as far as I have observed.  But if you think about it, with lion prides, that&#8217;s family-based too.</p>
<p>Trap-neuter-release activists have found that if you clear all the feral cats out of an area, more cats will move in but if you simply neuter the ferals and return them to their territory, they keep strange cats out and the population stabilizes.</p>
<p>I am currently owned by a tux kitty who knows when I have migraines.  She follows me around as it is and often lies at my feet when I&#8217;m online, reading a book, or knitting;  she follows me around even more and cries outside my bedroom door if I&#8217;m headachy.</p>
<p>I want to feed her and the other three girls a raw diet but we need to get settled here after our move and then I need to convince the other adult in the house that it&#8217;s a good idea.  I compromise in the meantime:  they eat kibble, but there is no grain in said kibble.  It&#8217;s meat-based with a few plant foods thrown in.  I don&#8217;t have the ingredients list right in front of me but I went out of my way to find something low-carb.  The three cats being re-introduced to my household had been vomiting frequently with the crap previously fed to them.  They do it a lot less now.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t get dogs.  You have to pay even more attention to them than you do to children, and I have never been a touchy-feely kind of mom aside from what attachment parenting techniques I picked up in parenting my younger one.  I can&#8217;t stand someone bouncing around me being needy 24/7&#8211;I was a pretty independent child myself, for one thing.  Meanwhile, I&#8217;m finding you do need to work with cats a lot more than was previously believed if you want them to be less likely to pick up annoying behavior patterns, and if you want it to be easier to do things like administer medicine and bathe them.  If you don&#8217;t handle them a lot as kittens it will be an uphill battle.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m beginning to loathe the term &#8220;omnivore.&#8221;  I think there must be an incredible amount of overlap in what foods animals tolerate, that while our GI tracts *are* geared toward a certain class of foods, what sorts of enzymes we produce in response to which specific foods is going to vary hugely depending on a lot of factors.  So you have cows who get certain B vitamins from the bugs they eat along with their grass, you have dogs who can eat vegetarian (at least for a short time), and you have animals who originally descended from bug-eaters running the whole gamut of gastronomic possibilities.</p>
<p>I mean, that&#8217;s what primates are.  We&#8217;re bug-eaters.  The only reason we humans have not drawn the logical conclusion that this makes us carnivores is that for a long time we did not define bugs as animals.  Some of us still don&#8217;t define *fish* as animals, which is why Catholics can get away with eating them on Fridays during Lent.</p>
<p>At this point as far as I&#8217;m concerned &#8220;omnivore&#8221; means &#8220;I can eat foods beyond what my GI tract is equipped to handle and not die soon afterward.&#8221;  But I suspect that if you scratch an omnivore you will still be able to look at their GI tract and be able to tell where the bulk of their diet should come from.</p>
<p>I was shocked to learn recently that robins eat mulberries.  I had always pegged them as bug-eaters, but one had nested in a magnolia in front of our house and she was picking the berries from our tree to feed to her chicks.  Bizarre, but no different than orangutans eating salad.  By the way, did you know orangs have culture?  They released this group of them from a zoo or something and rehabbed them to the wild&#8211;well, the poor things hadn&#8217;t been in the wild for so long they didn&#8217;t know what to do with themselves, so they kind of made it up as they went along.  No wonder they&#8217;re vegetarian.  At some point they must have made a conscious decision that that was a good idea too, and then passed it on to their kids.  They could as easily go the other way and get back to bugs and monkeys, of course.</p>
<p>By the way, another thing that annoys me aside from the word &#8220;omnivore&#8221; is the term &#8220;is designed to&#8230;&#8221; when referring to a living thing&#8217;s body parts.  It&#8217;s one thing if you are a creationist, quite another if you hold to evolutionary theory.  I won&#8217;t be a hypocrite here, I know it&#8217;s a habit and I&#8217;ve been trying to kick it myself.  Been trying to substitute &#8220;is adapted to&#8221; instead, and seem to be getting better at it.</p>
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		<title>By: Debbie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Debbie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 13:59:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To Peter Silverman, I think your last sentence hits the nail on the head about pet food. :-) Carbs are *cheap*. Same reason that so many poor folks stock up on carbs - cheap filler. 

My cats and dogs all eat a grain-free, high-protein, low-carb diet, but I&#039;m lucky enough to be able to afford to feed them at, as well as being able to afford grain-free, sugar-free, low-PUFA, low carb food for myself as well. 

And two of my cats are sleek and skinny, but one - even on this diet - is still immensely fat. And my 5-year-old dog is battling an agressive cancer, even though I was sure his grain-free, low carb, high protein diet would be protective against it. And me? I can barely manage to keep my weight below 300 pounds despite strict adherence to all the low carb principals in the book. :-) 

But sometimes it works. For years I had one of my dogs on the stardard low-fat, high-carb &quot;diet&quot; food recommended by my vets because she was very overweight even though I was feeding her so little food that she was constantly ravenous. She weighed 52 pounds and I fed her less food than her 22-pound brother, but she still didn&#039;t lose anything.

Then, a few years ago, I &quot;saw the light&quot; and switched her to a grain-free, low-carb, high-protein, higher-fat diet. Within months she went from 52 pounds to 36 pounds (a good weight for her) and has stayed there ever since, even though she is now 13 and not that active. 

So it can work! Just have never been able to get to to work well for me, ever since I first went on the Protein Power plan in 1997. I reach a brick wall about 100+ poounds from my goal every time, and then never lose another ounce. And so far it is not working for my cat Ming either - who continues to *gain* weight on her low-carb cat carnivore diet. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Peter Silverman, I think your last sentence hits the nail on the head about pet food. <img src='http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  Carbs are *cheap*. Same reason that so many poor folks stock up on carbs &#8211; cheap filler. </p>
<p>My cats and dogs all eat a grain-free, high-protein, low-carb diet, but I&#8217;m lucky enough to be able to afford to feed them at, as well as being able to afford grain-free, sugar-free, low-PUFA, low carb food for myself as well. </p>
<p>And two of my cats are sleek and skinny, but one &#8211; even on this diet &#8211; is still immensely fat. And my 5-year-old dog is battling an agressive cancer, even though I was sure his grain-free, low carb, high protein diet would be protective against it. And me? I can barely manage to keep my weight below 300 pounds despite strict adherence to all the low carb principals in the book. <img src='http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  </p>
<p>But sometimes it works. For years I had one of my dogs on the stardard low-fat, high-carb &#8220;diet&#8221; food recommended by my vets because she was very overweight even though I was feeding her so little food that she was constantly ravenous. She weighed 52 pounds and I fed her less food than her 22-pound brother, but she still didn&#8217;t lose anything.</p>
<p>Then, a few years ago, I &#8220;saw the light&#8221; and switched her to a grain-free, low-carb, high-protein, higher-fat diet. Within months she went from 52 pounds to 36 pounds (a good weight for her) and has stayed there ever since, even though she is now 13 and not that active. </p>
<p>So it can work! Just have never been able to get to to work well for me, ever since I first went on the Protein Power plan in 1997. I reach a brick wall about 100+ poounds from my goal every time, and then never lose another ounce. And so far it is not working for my cat Ming either &#8211; who continues to *gain* weight on her low-carb cat carnivore diet. <img src='http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Joanne of Open Mind Required</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joanne of Open Mind Required</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 00:17:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course we know treating disease is much more lucrative than reversing disease. So inject the animals with vaccines, give them antibiotics for any little thing. sell the owner &quot;high quality&quot; food, such as Science Diet or Iams, then treat the resulting chronic diseases. 

Then when the disease is identified (a little late) as &quot;diet-related,&quot; move the animals onto a more specialized food that costs more and that only vets sell. It&#039;s the perfect scam!

Excuse me for being cynical, but my cats don&#039;t get vaccines and they eat raw meat and I avoid antibiotics whenever possible, and I can tell you most vets are VERY unfriendly to and unwilling to work with me. So I quit going to them.

By the way, I had a conversation with an out-of-work vet who told me the latest marketing model was when very ill animals are brought in the vets write up the most expensive, most comprehensive treatment plan. If the owner can&#039;t afford it, then the vet recommends euthaniasia. This way the vet cultivates monied owners and cuts out all the riff-raff.

&lt;em&gt;It&#039;s a good thing physicians don&#039;t follow that model with people.&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course we know treating disease is much more lucrative than reversing disease. So inject the animals with vaccines, give them antibiotics for any little thing. sell the owner &#8220;high quality&#8221; food, such as Science Diet or Iams, then treat the resulting chronic diseases. </p>
<p>Then when the disease is identified (a little late) as &#8220;diet-related,&#8221; move the animals onto a more specialized food that costs more and that only vets sell. It&#8217;s the perfect scam!</p>
<p>Excuse me for being cynical, but my cats don&#8217;t get vaccines and they eat raw meat and I avoid antibiotics whenever possible, and I can tell you most vets are VERY unfriendly to and unwilling to work with me. So I quit going to them.</p>
<p>By the way, I had a conversation with an out-of-work vet who told me the latest marketing model was when very ill animals are brought in the vets write up the most expensive, most comprehensive treatment plan. If the owner can&#8217;t afford it, then the vet recommends euthaniasia. This way the vet cultivates monied owners and cuts out all the riff-raff.</p>
<p><em>It&#8217;s a good thing physicians don&#8217;t follow that model with people.</em></p>
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		<title>By: David MacPhail</title>
		<link>http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/paleolithic-diet/hard-wired-to-the-past/#comment-222163</link>
		<dc:creator>David MacPhail</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 23:29:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Peter Silverman, I am quite certain than the cat food industry knows that cats are obligate carnivores and they actually understand what the term means. This aside, they are dedicated to the bottom line. And carbs are a potent source of income. More interesting, in what has to plumb new depths of conflict of interest, the same veterinarians who benefit from treating feline diabetes sell high carb cat food. Did these vets forget what they learned in veterinarian school about cats being obligate carnivores? Or, has some vested interest used sleight of hand to redefine the meaning of carnivore to mean protein and carbohydrate. Maybe both?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peter Silverman, I am quite certain than the cat food industry knows that cats are obligate carnivores and they actually understand what the term means. This aside, they are dedicated to the bottom line. And carbs are a potent source of income. More interesting, in what has to plumb new depths of conflict of interest, the same veterinarians who benefit from treating feline diabetes sell high carb cat food. Did these vets forget what they learned in veterinarian school about cats being obligate carnivores? Or, has some vested interest used sleight of hand to redefine the meaning of carnivore to mean protein and carbohydrate. Maybe both?</p>
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