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		<title>By: A rebuttal of the China Study &#124; 12 Know More</title>
		<link>http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/obesity/another-china-study/#comment-251881</link>
		<dc:creator>A rebuttal of the China Study &#124; 12 Know More</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Sep 2011 09:44:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/obesity/another-china-study/   This entry was posted in Health and tagged china study by Rick. Bookmark the permalink. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: The China Study &#171; Coach Tran&#039;s Fitness</title>
		<link>http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/obesity/another-china-study/#comment-248120</link>
		<dc:creator>The China Study &#171; Coach Tran&#039;s Fitness</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Jan 2011 14:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 4.Â http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/obesity/another-china-study/ [...]</description>
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		<title>By: MK</title>
		<link>http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/obesity/another-china-study/#comment-248056</link>
		<dc:creator>MK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Jan 2011 00:53:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its very much a western idea that stir frying or Woks means little fat needed, thats not the authentic way</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its very much a western idea that stir frying or Woks means little fat needed, thats not the authentic way</p>
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		<title>By: MK</title>
		<link>http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/obesity/another-china-study/#comment-248055</link>
		<dc:creator>MK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Jan 2011 00:45:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;First, stir frying requires very little oil, which is why a parabolic wok is perfect for it. &quot;.
You may be correct second, but first you are wrong, or have no idea the secret behind making good fried rice,
you make it ina  wok, and the secret is to use heaps of oil.
Just becasue it is possible to use less oil in a wok, doesnt mean people do</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;First, stir frying requires very little oil, which is why a parabolic wok is perfect for it. &#8220;.<br />
You may be correct second, but first you are wrong, or have no idea the secret behind making good fried rice,<br />
you make it ina  wok, and the secret is to use heaps of oil.<br />
Just becasue it is possible to use less oil in a wok, doesnt mean people do</p>
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		<title>By: Josef Brandenburg</title>
		<link>http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/obesity/another-china-study/#comment-247868</link>
		<dc:creator>Josef Brandenburg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Dec 2010 19:10:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent post.  Thanks Dr. Mike.

Also interesting in the data table was that the group most prone to obesity got far more of their fat from veggie sources and veggie oil (PUFA&#039;s &amp; n-6 galore), and much less of their fat from animal sources.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent post.  Thanks Dr. Mike.</p>
<p>Also interesting in the data table was that the group most prone to obesity got far more of their fat from veggie sources and veggie oil (PUFA&#8217;s &amp; n-6 galore), and much less of their fat from animal sources.</p>
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		<title>By: Zoe</title>
		<link>http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/obesity/another-china-study/#comment-247865</link>
		<dc:creator>Zoe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Dec 2010 04:42:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joyce is correct. So what if some Asians in Asia are skinny. What makes you think they are healthy? 

I have Chinese friends who are thin but have health problems. One of my Chinese co-workers is having an operation for a tumor - and she&#039;s one of the thinnest people at work! 

My mother is Chinese and she developed heart disease after moving to the city and began eating more Western foods - vegetable oil, wheat, sugar, processed foods. She&#039;s been skinny her whole life, but her heart wasn&#039;t healthy.

However, my great grandmother was a centenarian! She ate loads of lard and meat. Yes traditional Chinese cooking uses lard not vegie oil. She was thin till the day she died (at age 100) and was walking around doing stuff before she passed away. 

You have two women in the same family who are both skinny, one who lived on rice, lard, meat, eggs and fish - the other on wheat/rice, vegetable oil, little meat, veggies and some tofu. Who lived to 100, disease-free, with natural death? My great grandmother who ate a mostly paleo diet.

My grandmother is still alive =) she&#039;s pretty healthy and she also eats similar to my great grandmother. Although it pains her to remember the Cultural Revolution where there was little meat to be had - but she made up for it in the 1980s. 

My mother is returning to her roots and eating like my great grandmother did. It&#039;s funny because I&#039;m teaching HER how to eat traditionally when it&#039;s usually the other way around. It&#039;s hard, because she still thinks saturated fat is bad and she&#039;s addicted to wheat products (bread, pastry, cookies, biscuits). She&#039;s starting to refrain from buying that stuff.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joyce is correct. So what if some Asians in Asia are skinny. What makes you think they are healthy? </p>
<p>I have Chinese friends who are thin but have health problems. One of my Chinese co-workers is having an operation for a tumor &#8211; and she&#8217;s one of the thinnest people at work! </p>
<p>My mother is Chinese and she developed heart disease after moving to the city and began eating more Western foods &#8211; vegetable oil, wheat, sugar, processed foods. She&#8217;s been skinny her whole life, but her heart wasn&#8217;t healthy.</p>
<p>However, my great grandmother was a centenarian! She ate loads of lard and meat. Yes traditional Chinese cooking uses lard not vegie oil. She was thin till the day she died (at age 100) and was walking around doing stuff before she passed away. </p>
<p>You have two women in the same family who are both skinny, one who lived on rice, lard, meat, eggs and fish &#8211; the other on wheat/rice, vegetable oil, little meat, veggies and some tofu. Who lived to 100, disease-free, with natural death? My great grandmother who ate a mostly paleo diet.</p>
<p>My grandmother is still alive =) she&#8217;s pretty healthy and she also eats similar to my great grandmother. Although it pains her to remember the Cultural Revolution where there was little meat to be had &#8211; but she made up for it in the 1980s. </p>
<p>My mother is returning to her roots and eating like my great grandmother did. It&#8217;s funny because I&#8217;m teaching HER how to eat traditionally when it&#8217;s usually the other way around. It&#8217;s hard, because she still thinks saturated fat is bad and she&#8217;s addicted to wheat products (bread, pastry, cookies, biscuits). She&#8217;s starting to refrain from buying that stuff.</p>
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		<title>By: Hot Off the Press: A New &#8220;China Study&#8221; Links Wheat with Weight Gain &#171; Raw Food SOS: Troubleshooting on the Raw Food Diet</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hot Off the Press: A New &#8220;China Study&#8221; Links Wheat with Weight Gain &#171; Raw Food SOS: Troubleshooting on the Raw Food Diet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Dec 2010 15:28:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the researchers, who hummed and hawed their way to a half-baked conclusion&#8212;check out this post by Michael Eades). And as Stephan Guyenet explained, the study really showed a trend betweenÂ wheat [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] the researchers, who hummed and hawed their way to a half-baked conclusion&#8212;check out this post by Michael Eades). And as Stephan Guyenet explained, the study really showed a trend betweenÂ wheat [...]</p>
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		<title>By: du hoc uc</title>
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		<dc:creator>du hoc uc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Apr 2010 09:11:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From what I know of my mother’s diet while pregnant, I’m sure I was born with a ridiculous amount of insulin resistance. Moral I’m taking away from this: Eat meat!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From what I know of my mother’s diet while pregnant, I’m sure I was born with a ridiculous amount of insulin resistance. Moral I’m taking away from this: Eat meat!</p>
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		<title>By: Warren Dew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Warren Dew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 16:17:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you may want to be careful about the implication that it&#039;s &quot;vegetables&quot; that are the problem when the study category is &quot;vegetables and fruit&quot;.  The leafy green vegetables Chinese eat have very few calories, and little dietetic effect except on blood pH.  The fruit, on the other hand, has plenty of carbohydrates, causing the associated insulin spikes and hunger.

Joyce:  yes, Shandong is in the north; very wheat intensive.  My mother is from Canton where they eat rice instead; no heart attacks that I know of on that side of the family, though I think I had a degree of insulin resistance until I went on a low carb diet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you may want to be careful about the implication that it&#8217;s &#8220;vegetables&#8221; that are the problem when the study category is &#8220;vegetables and fruit&#8221;.  The leafy green vegetables Chinese eat have very few calories, and little dietetic effect except on blood pH.  The fruit, on the other hand, has plenty of carbohydrates, causing the associated insulin spikes and hunger.</p>
<p>Joyce:  yes, Shandong is in the north; very wheat intensive.  My mother is from Canton where they eat rice instead; no heart attacks that I know of on that side of the family, though I think I had a degree of insulin resistance until I went on a low carb diet.</p>
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		<title>By: Joyce</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joyce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 20:48:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By the way, another anecdote:

When my parents reminisce about the poverty of the Cultural Revolution, they often talk about the scarcity of meat. They had little to eat but rice and vegetables and they said they were never full. My mother enviously remembers a wealthy family who fed their two children a whole chicken every morning. She remembers that the children grew very robust and healthy.

From what I know of my mother&#039;s diet while pregnant, I&#039;m sure I was born with a ridiculous amount of insulin resistance. Moral I&#039;m taking away from this: Eat meat! 

:)
Joyce</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the way, another anecdote:</p>
<p>When my parents reminisce about the poverty of the Cultural Revolution, they often talk about the scarcity of meat. They had little to eat but rice and vegetables and they said they were never full. My mother enviously remembers a wealthy family who fed their two children a whole chicken every morning. She remembers that the children grew very robust and healthy.</p>
<p>From what I know of my mother&#8217;s diet while pregnant, I&#8217;m sure I was born with a ridiculous amount of insulin resistance. Moral I&#8217;m taking away from this: Eat meat! </p>
<p> <img src='http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
Joyce</p>
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