Comments on: A request for information

By: Chris Kanakaris

Chris Kanakaris — Sun, 02 Aug 2009 19:14:39 +0000

It is also interesting to note that the man on the Shroud, (Christ?) and many experts do believe it to be a real crucified body, stood between 5′ 11″ and 6.5′ and weighed 180 lbs. His body was that of a mesomorph or modern sprinter.

By: Chris Kanakaris

Chris Kanakaris — Sun, 02 Aug 2009 17:52:39 +0000

Other tests have been done showing that nails through the palms would not support the weight of a man. Ropes would also be needed. French surgeon Dr Pierre Barbet showed that a nail through the wrist would provide perfect support to a suspended body. When done like this, the nail touches the median nerve causing a motor reaction of the thumb snaping into the palm, as is shown on the Shroud of Turin.

By: Allan

Allan — Thu, 30 Jul 2009 00:46:43 +0000

Found this on the web after doing a search. Might help your chase. Grave-Robbing, Crucifixion, Dissection: How Far Should We Go in the Name of Art?
http://www.questia.com/PM.qst%3Bjsessionid=KLwQyTMKPG4KLBQRBmZlrgnp1nJ4SmJvvcd6vjnnZNcTp1psKhLj!497993468!627277496?a=o&d=5000506057
Although this is a magazine article it might have more information for you.

Thanks.

By: Nancy Boy Fellows

Nancy Boy Fellows — Thu, 30 Jul 2009 00:30:18 +0000

Do i take it you’ve tried Powells of Portland ?

Not yet, but I need to know what to ask for.

By: Meliss McDowell

Meliss McDowell — Wed, 29 Jul 2009 21:40:47 +0000

The Ask A Librarian service at the Library of Congress might be useful.

http://www.loc.gov/rr/askalib/ is the URL for that.

Best of luck!

Thanks. I’ll give it a whirl.

By: Jovan

Jovan — Wed, 29 Jul 2009 20:58:55 +0000

I know that the Carpue book about restoring a lost nose does not seem to be the book you’re looking for, but I found a book review that might be of interest.

http://journals.lww.com/plasreconsurg/Citation/1982/08000/The_Management_of_the_Burned_Child.31.aspx

In the review it talks about how the author, Dr. Frank McDowell, relates the macarbe episode you described above.

It seems that Dr. McDowell based his research on the work of Dr. Jerome P. Webster, who planned on writing a biography on Carpue. However, he died before he could complete the feat. This website shows that the research files of Carpue that Dr. Webster conducted are housed at Columbia University.

http://library.cpmc.columbia.edu/hsl/archives/findingaids/websterpapers.html

If the Dr. McDowell book isn’t the right one for you, then it had to be another person who had access to Dr. Webster’s files. I would be surprised if someone else did indepedent research on their own about Carpue.

Hope this helps.

On another note, do you have any recommendations for low-carb docs in the Chicago area?

Thanks for all you do.

Thanks for the info. Unfortunately, I do not know a low-carb doc in Chicago. I wish I did as I’ve been asked for a recommendation by several people.

By: Susan

Susan — Wed, 29 Jul 2009 12:49:08 +0000

I can’t resist a search either�I have no impulse control in the face of a request for information. I did find a reference to a three-page article on the topic that appeared in a Apollo Magazine by the curator of an exhibit on Banks: Julius Bryant, “Thomas Banks ’s Anatomical Crucifixion,” Apollo 133 (June 1991): 409-11. If you can track down the article, the book you’re looking for might be cited.

Thanks. I’ll see if I can locate a copy of Apollo Magazine.

By: Apolloswabbie

Apolloswabbie — Wed, 29 Jul 2009 05:24:05 +0000

Not sure if others already made the point but they did not correctly nail the man’s hands to the cross. It was necessary to put the nails through the arms below the wrist so that the weight and the shifting of the body before death did not pull the nails through the relatively insignificant tissue of the hands. When nailed through the wrist below the wrist bones, the wrist bones served to support the weight until death. Crucifixion btw usually caused death by asphyxiation and/or exposure. To make it more “humane” the crucified’s femurs could be broken. Doing so prevented the use of the legs to make it easier to get a breath, so death would come more rapidly than if the legs left whole. All in all a grizzly way to kill or to die. Certainly might give one pause if thinking of rebellion …

Last bit – the nail through the wrist typically damaged nerves which induced a thumb contraction so that the thumb folded into the palm. Supposedly, the Shroud of Turin shows the effect – fwiw.

Interesting if gruesome story.

By: Stargazey

Stargazey — Wed, 29 Jul 2009 03:44:20 +0000

Dr. Eades, it was my understanding that if a man was nailed to a cross through the palms of his hands, the weight of the body would eventually tear the hands away from the nails. The man on the Shroud of Turin had been nailed through the Space of Destot in the wrists, presumably to prevent this problem.

Yet Mr. Legg was nailed through the palms of his hands and this seemed to cause no problems. Do you have any thoughts on the matter?

None. I haven’t given where the best place to put the nail during a crucifixion a lot of thought.

By: Michael Richards

Michael Richards — Wed, 29 Jul 2009 02:34:29 +0000

Cannot help you in your search. But what a wonderful transcript of the trial you provide! The end is a gem:

“JOHN ADCOCK sworn. – Examined by Mr. Gurney. Q. How long have you known Legg, the prisoner? – A. Very near two years; we were in one room together.
“Q. Have you observed any thing in his conduct to induce you to think he was not in his right mind? – A. Not at all; I am both blind and deaf.
“GUILTY , Death .”

How Mr Adcock could answer the questions put to him is never explained!

Yes, I noticed that, too. And wondered about it.