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		<title>By: Calories In, Calories Out: Fact or Fiction … Redux &#124; bodybuildinghowto247.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>Calories In, Calories Out: Fact or Fiction … Redux &#124; bodybuildinghowto247.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jan 2012 01:49:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Protein Power on the issue: How does this apply to weight [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Calories In, Calories Out: Fact or Fiction &#8230; Redux &#124; The Iron Samurai</title>
		<link>http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/metabolism/thermodynamics-and-weight-loss/#comment-280459</link>
		<dc:creator>Calories In, Calories Out: Fact or Fiction &#8230; Redux &#124; The Iron Samurai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Dec 2011 21:36:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: j</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Dec 2011 19:16:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you are out of your minds if you think an extra 200 calories a day won&#039;t help.  If you train modestly hard for an hour a day, including warm up, with the extra 200, any human would lose a pound of weight per week.  That is not only tremendous, as losing more than 2-3 pounds per week isnt healthy, for weightloss, but think of how easy that is to maintain.

PS if you think 30% protien is high i would disagree.  That percentage is not dangerous longterm and if you follow 1 gram per pound a day that is not a high number to achieve.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you are out of your minds if you think an extra 200 calories a day won&#8217;t help.  If you train modestly hard for an hour a day, including warm up, with the extra 200, any human would lose a pound of weight per week.  That is not only tremendous, as losing more than 2-3 pounds per week isnt healthy, for weightloss, but think of how easy that is to maintain.</p>
<p>PS if you think 30% protien is high i would disagree.  That percentage is not dangerous longterm and if you follow 1 gram per pound a day that is not a high number to achieve.</p>
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		<title>By: Danny Albers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Danny Albers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Oct 2011 19:54:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>God bless you for addressing the most misquoted issue by the most misguided of fools across the internet.

They cling to the first law like bible but do not even understand it, nor can they explain it in simple terms.  They fail to see that calories stored = calories in - calories spent could actually look more like calories stored = calories in - calories spent - &quot;any number of other uses the body may have for that food resource besides energy&quot;

In their small minded and narrow view, the assume that every ounce of every meal is used solely for energy.  They ignore that fact that sometimes useable energy is literally excreted away such as ketones in the urine, or even sugar in the urine.  Obviously, if energy left the body, the only way possible is to burn it up with exercise, or it gets stored right?  I am no physics expert, but to state that we do not sometimes pass useable fuel in our excrement flies in the face of facts as well.

I know enough to know I know next to nothing.  I have noticed that the truly competent people are the ones that are open to learning and admitting they may not have all the answers.  I never find those people supporting the current &quot;Heart healthy balanced approach to nutrition&quot;.  The more we learn, the more we should be realizing we need to learn and that we know very little.  Constant certainty is the mindset of a fool, and clinging to dogma the mindset of a blind fanatic.

Thanks for expanding my knowledge.  Sadly, I will not get a chance to use it to convince believers that a calorie is a calorie is incorrect.  They would rather listen to Jillien Micheals than Einstein in physics circles.

Cheers!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>God bless you for addressing the most misquoted issue by the most misguided of fools across the internet.</p>
<p>They cling to the first law like bible but do not even understand it, nor can they explain it in simple terms.  They fail to see that calories stored = calories in &#8211; calories spent could actually look more like calories stored = calories in &#8211; calories spent &#8211; &#8220;any number of other uses the body may have for that food resource besides energy&#8221;</p>
<p>In their small minded and narrow view, the assume that every ounce of every meal is used solely for energy.  They ignore that fact that sometimes useable energy is literally excreted away such as ketones in the urine, or even sugar in the urine.  Obviously, if energy left the body, the only way possible is to burn it up with exercise, or it gets stored right?  I am no physics expert, but to state that we do not sometimes pass useable fuel in our excrement flies in the face of facts as well.</p>
<p>I know enough to know I know next to nothing.  I have noticed that the truly competent people are the ones that are open to learning and admitting they may not have all the answers.  I never find those people supporting the current &#8220;Heart healthy balanced approach to nutrition&#8221;.  The more we learn, the more we should be realizing we need to learn and that we know very little.  Constant certainty is the mindset of a fool, and clinging to dogma the mindset of a blind fanatic.</p>
<p>Thanks for expanding my knowledge.  Sadly, I will not get a chance to use it to convince believers that a calorie is a calorie is incorrect.  They would rather listen to Jillien Micheals than Einstein in physics circles.</p>
<p>Cheers!</p>
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		<title>By: Fighting Chaos to Maintain Health : The Blogsite for Penrith Chiropractic</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fighting Chaos to Maintain Health : The Blogsite for Penrith Chiropractic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Oct 2011 10:35:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: A Calorie is A Calorie &#8211; Part II &#124; Gatenscscs</title>
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		<dc:creator>A Calorie is A Calorie &#8211; Part II &#124; Gatenscscs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jul 2011 23:54:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: mreades</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 09 May 2011 16:38:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You wrote:


&lt;blockquote&gt;You&#039;ve conjured up a gaggle of old women/witches chanting spells with malevolent glee as they stir the putrid cauldron of their outdated ideas.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

To my unenlightened mind, you&#039;ve hit on the perfect description of Kolata, Brody, Burros et al.  Do you have a better word to describe them?</description>
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<blockquote><p>You&#8217;ve conjured up a gaggle of old women/witches chanting spells with malevolent glee as they stir the putrid cauldron of their outdated ideas.</p></blockquote>
<p>To my unenlightened mind, you&#8217;ve hit on the perfect description of Kolata, Brody, Burros et al.  Do you have a better word to describe them?</p>
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		<title>By: lastdeadmouse</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Apr 2011 15:57:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I did enjoy your article, but I need to point out that your gasoline analogy is wrong. The difference in gasoline grades comes down to the percentage of octane molecules vs. heptane molecules.  91 octane gas contains 91% octane molecules.  Their isn&#039;t anything actually over 100, but some racing fuels are labled as such to indicate proprietary blends more resistant to detonantion.  The fact is that the higher the octane percentage, the more resistant the fuel is to detonation.  Premium fuel actually burns less efficiently, but this is precicely why its required for high performance engines running more advanced timings and higher compression ratios. Where a lower octane fuel would detonate before spark (a big problem) the higher octane fuel will resist this.  More than you ever wanted to know about gas i&#039;m sure, but had to explain.  Otherwise, great article.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I did enjoy your article, but I need to point out that your gasoline analogy is wrong. The difference in gasoline grades comes down to the percentage of octane molecules vs. heptane molecules.  91 octane gas contains 91% octane molecules.  Their isn&#8217;t anything actually over 100, but some racing fuels are labled as such to indicate proprietary blends more resistant to detonantion.  The fact is that the higher the octane percentage, the more resistant the fuel is to detonation.  Premium fuel actually burns less efficiently, but this is precicely why its required for high performance engines running more advanced timings and higher compression ratios. Where a lower octane fuel would detonate before spark (a big problem) the higher octane fuel will resist this.  More than you ever wanted to know about gas i&#8217;m sure, but had to explain.  Otherwise, great article.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeanie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeanie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Apr 2011 00:11:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doctor, 

I&#039;m a big fan of Gary Taubes and think he represents the Enlightenment after the Dark Ages.

I agree completely with you regarding the biases of Kolata and Brody, but your using the term &quot;coven&quot; several times to describe them betrays a dated, sexist mindset.  You&#039;ve conjured up a gaggle of old women/witches chanting spells with malevolent glee as they stir the putrid cauldron of their outdated ideas.  I guarantee you would never define a group of men who hold ideas you disagree with, as a coven.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doctor, </p>
<p>I&#8217;m a big fan of Gary Taubes and think he represents the Enlightenment after the Dark Ages.</p>
<p>I agree completely with you regarding the biases of Kolata and Brody, but your using the term &#8220;coven&#8221; several times to describe them betrays a dated, sexist mindset.  You&#8217;ve conjured up a gaggle of old women/witches chanting spells with malevolent glee as they stir the putrid cauldron of their outdated ideas.  I guarantee you would never define a group of men who hold ideas you disagree with, as a coven.</p>
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		<title>By: A-ron</title>
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		<dc:creator>A-ron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Mar 2011 17:55:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That says nothing about the quality of the protein and carbs you take in.  The gasoline analogy is slightly off, because your comparing apples (carbs) to oranges (protein).  In other words, all proteins are not created equal, just as all carbs are not created equal.  To be more accurate, in reference to your gasoline analogy, higher quality protein will result in less entropy than lower quality protein, and more entropy = good.  I&#039;m not so sure the goal of diet should be to force your body into it&#039;s most inefficient state.  What about the nutrient quality of the food you consume?  What about the taxing effects on your digestive system and other systems in your body?  There&#039;s too many other variables in play to simply christen this as the ultimate weight loss plan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That says nothing about the quality of the protein and carbs you take in.  The gasoline analogy is slightly off, because your comparing apples (carbs) to oranges (protein).  In other words, all proteins are not created equal, just as all carbs are not created equal.  To be more accurate, in reference to your gasoline analogy, higher quality protein will result in less entropy than lower quality protein, and more entropy = good.  I&#8217;m not so sure the goal of diet should be to force your body into it&#8217;s most inefficient state.  What about the nutrient quality of the food you consume?  What about the taxing effects on your digestive system and other systems in your body?  There&#8217;s too many other variables in play to simply christen this as the ultimate weight loss plan.</p>
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