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		<title>By: Alan</title>
		<link>http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/metabolism/gary-taubes-berkeley-lecture/comment-page-2/#comment-199457</link>
		<dc:creator>Alan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Dec 2008 15:39:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gary, i have to thank you for your work. If it wasn&#039;t for you and your article &#039;What If Its Big One Big Fat lie?&#039; I would never have been interested in seeing your online lecture that you did in the UK. And this clearly made me see why i lost so much weight on a LowCarb diet and why i put it on so quickly when i started missing my bread! 
Removal of carbs has changed my life (I still have days when i eat more though) - but i&#039;ve changed so much in shape that friends who hadn&#039;t seen me for a while didn&#039;t recognize me - even my own sister didn&#039;t and i was sitting next to our mum. Where&#039;s Alan? He&#039;s here!
I can now buy clothes from the high st. and don&#039;t have to worry about only buying from the big mans shop - where they are so expensive.
What is it going to take for the medical establishment to except (even if they don&#039;t admit it was their fault) that carbs are the cause. The science is there to back it there was none for the fat = fat theory and as Walter Willet says &#039;the low Kcal/Low Fat hypothesis has effectively failed the test of time&#039; - and of public money as well; the studies have shown it just doesn&#039;t work in comparison to a low carb diet.
What do you think is going to be needed to prove that low-Carb is better than Low Kcal/Low Fat - they say it has to be overwhelming evidence but they never had any to begin with did they ? - It was just politics (good that its now come back to hit them in the face).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gary, i have to thank you for your work. If it wasn&#8217;t for you and your article &#8216;What If Its Big One Big Fat lie?&#8217; I would never have been interested in seeing your online lecture that you did in the UK. And this clearly made me see why i lost so much weight on a LowCarb diet and why i put it on so quickly when i started missing my bread!<br />
Removal of carbs has changed my life (I still have days when i eat more though) &#8211; but i&#8217;ve changed so much in shape that friends who hadn&#8217;t seen me for a while didn&#8217;t recognize me &#8211; even my own sister didn&#8217;t and i was sitting next to our mum. Where&#8217;s Alan? He&#8217;s here!<br />
I can now buy clothes from the high st. and don&#8217;t have to worry about only buying from the big mans shop &#8211; where they are so expensive.<br />
What is it going to take for the medical establishment to except (even if they don&#8217;t admit it was their fault) that carbs are the cause. The science is there to back it there was none for the fat = fat theory and as Walter Willet says &#8216;the low Kcal/Low Fat hypothesis has effectively failed the test of time&#8217; &#8211; and of public money as well; the studies have shown it just doesn&#8217;t work in comparison to a low carb diet.<br />
What do you think is going to be needed to prove that low-Carb is better than Low Kcal/Low Fat &#8211; they say it has to be overwhelming evidence but they never had any to begin with did they ? &#8211; It was just politics (good that its now come back to hit them in the face).</p>
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		<title>By: Keren</title>
		<link>http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/metabolism/gary-taubes-berkeley-lecture/comment-page-2/#comment-103956</link>
		<dc:creator>Keren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2008 20:44:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What DOES &quot;re-esterified&quot; mean&gt;

&lt;em&gt;fatty acids are attached to a glycerol molecule to make a triglyceride, the storage form of fat.  The bonds that attach the fatty acids to the glycerol are a type of bond called an ester bond.  When these fats come off the glycerol molecule (i.e., the ester bonds are broken) the fats are de-esterified.  When they come back together, they are re-esterified.&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What DOES &#8220;re-esterified&#8221; mean&gt;</p>
<p><em>fatty acids are attached to a glycerol molecule to make a triglyceride, the storage form of fat.  The bonds that attach the fatty acids to the glycerol are a type of bond called an ester bond.  When these fats come off the glycerol molecule (i.e., the ester bonds are broken) the fats are de-esterified.  When they come back together, they are re-esterified.</em></p>
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		<title>By: robyn cardy</title>
		<link>http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/metabolism/gary-taubes-berkeley-lecture/comment-page-2/#comment-103417</link>
		<dc:creator>robyn cardy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2008 12:55:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dr. Mike:

I did not make myself clear in the question I asked you about how long does one need to fast before a test for the amount of insulin in the blood after a fast.  I apologize, and I also apologize for asking again, but I am going to have a measure of the insulin in my blood taken, and the individual doing the test does not have a good handle on how long I should fast before the blood draw.  How long did you tell your patients to fast?

Also, I read a post above from somebody who wonders how people do the PPLP long term without falling prey to carb foods or meals. We have been on it four years now, and it seems to get easier with time.  I don&#039;t have the foods in the house, basically, and we never eat out.  I cook three low carb meals per day, and snacks are nuts or cheese, and occasionally low carb ice cream.  I mean occasionally, because that stuff is expensive, as is the low carb bread that I stopped buying.  Carb foods make us so sick that on my birthday this past January, i made a tiny homemade birthday cake and we pitched most of it.  When you really look at other people, even small children, and see the effects of carb eating, it turns you off to it even more.  For awhile, bread and pie and so forth was so alluring, because I make all that stuff homemade and it IS tasty, but you get so weary of the resulting nausea, stomach pain and bloating and swollen hands and feet that you just get past most dietary vacations.  Food in restaurants and carb loading in the grocery stores, as the economy worsens, seems to be getting worse, anyway.  Just stay home and cook for yourself and the habit will come on its own.   robyn cardy

&lt;em&gt;Sorry if I misunderstood.  I had my patients fast for about 12 hours (overnight) before checking their fasting insulin levels.&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr. Mike:</p>
<p>I did not make myself clear in the question I asked you about how long does one need to fast before a test for the amount of insulin in the blood after a fast.  I apologize, and I also apologize for asking again, but I am going to have a measure of the insulin in my blood taken, and the individual doing the test does not have a good handle on how long I should fast before the blood draw.  How long did you tell your patients to fast?</p>
<p>Also, I read a post above from somebody who wonders how people do the PPLP long term without falling prey to carb foods or meals. We have been on it four years now, and it seems to get easier with time.  I don&#8217;t have the foods in the house, basically, and we never eat out.  I cook three low carb meals per day, and snacks are nuts or cheese, and occasionally low carb ice cream.  I mean occasionally, because that stuff is expensive, as is the low carb bread that I stopped buying.  Carb foods make us so sick that on my birthday this past January, i made a tiny homemade birthday cake and we pitched most of it.  When you really look at other people, even small children, and see the effects of carb eating, it turns you off to it even more.  For awhile, bread and pie and so forth was so alluring, because I make all that stuff homemade and it IS tasty, but you get so weary of the resulting nausea, stomach pain and bloating and swollen hands and feet that you just get past most dietary vacations.  Food in restaurants and carb loading in the grocery stores, as the economy worsens, seems to be getting worse, anyway.  Just stay home and cook for yourself and the habit will come on its own.   robyn cardy</p>
<p><em>Sorry if I misunderstood.  I had my patients fast for about 12 hours (overnight) before checking their fasting insulin levels.</em></p>
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		<title>By: robyn cardy</title>
		<link>http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/metabolism/gary-taubes-berkeley-lecture/comment-page-2/#comment-101693</link>
		<dc:creator>robyn cardy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2008 14:45:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HI Dr. Mike:

I have a question.  How long does a person need to fast before having a fasting insulin blood test?  This is the only test I can get my insurance to pay for-- they balked at the other tests described in Protein Power.  No one seems to know how long the fast prior to the test should last.  What did you used to recommend for your patients in the old days?

thanks for your help.  robyn cardy

&lt;em&gt;If you want to see what happens during the intermittent fast, you should get your insulin checked before you start.  I always checked my own patients before they started the program and then again 6 weeks into it to see the changes.&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HI Dr. Mike:</p>
<p>I have a question.  How long does a person need to fast before having a fasting insulin blood test?  This is the only test I can get my insurance to pay for&#8211; they balked at the other tests described in Protein Power.  No one seems to know how long the fast prior to the test should last.  What did you used to recommend for your patients in the old days?</p>
<p>thanks for your help.  robyn cardy</p>
<p><em>If you want to see what happens during the intermittent fast, you should get your insulin checked before you start.  I always checked my own patients before they started the program and then again 6 weeks into it to see the changes.</em></p>
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		<title>By: Theresa (in Sweden)</title>
		<link>http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/metabolism/gary-taubes-berkeley-lecture/comment-page-2/#comment-88510</link>
		<dc:creator>Theresa (in Sweden)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jan 2008 14:05:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dr E, please tell Gary to have a website set up, where all the latest news and links about interviews with him, the lectures he gives and such, can be gathered. I&#039;m sure his publisher courd arrange for it, and I&#039;m sure the benefits will outgun the cost of maintaining it.

&lt;em&gt;Hi Theresa--

I&#039;ve had that conversation with him.  He thinks it will take too much of his time and detract from time spent on other projects.  He&#039;s seen how much time I spend.

Cheers--

MRE&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr E, please tell Gary to have a website set up, where all the latest news and links about interviews with him, the lectures he gives and such, can be gathered. I&#8217;m sure his publisher courd arrange for it, and I&#8217;m sure the benefits will outgun the cost of maintaining it.</p>
<p><em>Hi Theresa&#8211;</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve had that conversation with him.  He thinks it will take too much of his time and detract from time spent on other projects.  He&#8217;s seen how much time I spend.</p>
<p>Cheers&#8211;</p>
<p>MRE</em></p>
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		<title>By: Richard Tamesis, M.D.</title>
		<link>http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/metabolism/gary-taubes-berkeley-lecture/comment-page-1/#comment-88378</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Tamesis, M.D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jan 2008 21:08:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Part two of the Taubes interview is at http://www.blog.sethroberts.net/2008/01/04/interview-with-gary-taubes-part-2/ and part three is at http://www.blog.sethroberts.net/2008/01/04/interview-with-gary-taubes-part-3/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Part two of the Taubes interview is at <a href="http://www.blog.sethroberts.net/2008/01/04/interview-with-gary-taubes-part-2/" rel="nofollow">http://www.blog.sethroberts.net/2008/01/04/interview-with-gary-taubes-part-2/</a> and part three is at <a href="http://www.blog.sethroberts.net/2008/01/04/interview-with-gary-taubes-part-3/" rel="nofollow">http://www.blog.sethroberts.net/2008/01/04/interview-with-gary-taubes-part-3/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Richard Tamesis, M.D.</title>
		<link>http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/metabolism/gary-taubes-berkeley-lecture/comment-page-1/#comment-88377</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Tamesis, M.D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jan 2008 21:06:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seth Roberts, author of The Shangri-La Diet, interviewed Gary Taubes shortly after his UC Berkeley talk. He posted it in in three parts starting at http://www.blog.sethroberts.net/2008/01/03/interview-with-gary-taubes-part-1/ and this interview gives us all more background on how Taubes latched onto this topic and what he traits considers as indicative of a good scientist and a bad scientist. You won&#039;t be disappointed.

&lt;em&gt;Hey Richard--

I read these interviews when Seth put them up but it never occurred to me to post them here.  Thanks for they links.  They are certainly all worth reading.

Best--

MRE&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seth Roberts, author of The Shangri-La Diet, interviewed Gary Taubes shortly after his UC Berkeley talk. He posted it in in three parts starting at <a href="http://www.blog.sethroberts.net/2008/01/03/interview-with-gary-taubes-part-1/" rel="nofollow">http://www.blog.sethroberts.net/2008/01/03/interview-with-gary-taubes-part-1/</a> and this interview gives us all more background on how Taubes latched onto this topic and what he traits considers as indicative of a good scientist and a bad scientist. You won&#8217;t be disappointed.</p>
<p><em>Hey Richard&#8211;</p>
<p>I read these interviews when Seth put them up but it never occurred to me to post them here.  Thanks for they links.  They are certainly all worth reading.</p>
<p>Best&#8211;</p>
<p>MRE</em></p>
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		<title>By: Richard Tamesis, M.D.</title>
		<link>http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/metabolism/gary-taubes-berkeley-lecture/comment-page-1/#comment-87677</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Tamesis, M.D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2008 01:21:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I suspect it will take a private foundation rather than from the NIH to fund the clinical trial that he described in his talk.

&lt;em&gt;I suspect you are right, but Gary did say there was some interest from the NIH.

Cheers--

MRE&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suspect it will take a private foundation rather than from the NIH to fund the clinical trial that he described in his talk.</p>
<p><em>I suspect you are right, but Gary did say there was some interest from the NIH.</p>
<p>Cheers&#8211;</p>
<p>MRE</em></p>
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		<title>By: Rick H</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rick H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jan 2008 20:42:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great video, well worth the two hours.I have also read the book cover to cover twice now.

A question I have - in the book Taubes mentions certain populations like the post-war Asians that manage to NOT gain weight on high carb diets...presumably due to calorie restriction. Yet, at the same time he makes the case that an obese person isn&#039;t likely to reduce weight on a high carb restricted calorie diet, or the Amerind populations that become obese eating such diets, or animal experiments showing obese animals can actually starve, while remaining obese, on a restricted calorie diet. These observations are somewhat contrary and given his ideas on explaining things simply and through empirical observations I wonder how this issue is reconciled.

&lt;em&gt;I think these notions have to do more with the difference between gaining and losing weight.  I&#039;m not sure the Amerindian population on the reservations were on calorically restricted diets.  But I don&#039;t think the composition of their diets was such that they would provide for growth for children, resulting in a situation in which the adults were obese and the children starving.

I&#039;ll run this by Gary next time I talk to him to see what his take is.

Cheers--

MRE&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great video, well worth the two hours.I have also read the book cover to cover twice now.</p>
<p>A question I have &#8211; in the book Taubes mentions certain populations like the post-war Asians that manage to NOT gain weight on high carb diets&#8230;presumably due to calorie restriction. Yet, at the same time he makes the case that an obese person isn&#8217;t likely to reduce weight on a high carb restricted calorie diet, or the Amerind populations that become obese eating such diets, or animal experiments showing obese animals can actually starve, while remaining obese, on a restricted calorie diet. These observations are somewhat contrary and given his ideas on explaining things simply and through empirical observations I wonder how this issue is reconciled.</p>
<p><em>I think these notions have to do more with the difference between gaining and losing weight.  I&#8217;m not sure the Amerindian population on the reservations were on calorically restricted diets.  But I don&#8217;t think the composition of their diets was such that they would provide for growth for children, resulting in a situation in which the adults were obese and the children starving.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll run this by Gary next time I talk to him to see what his take is.</p>
<p>Cheers&#8211;</p>
<p>MRE</em></p>
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		<title>By: Richard Tamesis, M.D.</title>
		<link>http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/metabolism/gary-taubes-berkeley-lecture/comment-page-1/#comment-86401</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Tamesis, M.D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Dec 2007 21:21:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You said that Taubes recently gave the obesity lecture at the NIH. Can you give more details about the talk like when it was done and how was it received?

&lt;em&gt;Yep, I heard from him a few days ago.  He said that the talk went well and that he spent about 30 minutes after talking to people at the NIH in charge of grant giving.  He is working on funding for a couple of studies to confirm or refute his hypothesis, but so far, no takers.

Cheers--

MRE&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You said that Taubes recently gave the obesity lecture at the NIH. Can you give more details about the talk like when it was done and how was it received?</p>
<p><em>Yep, I heard from him a few days ago.  He said that the talk went well and that he spent about 30 minutes after talking to people at the NIH in charge of grant giving.  He is working on funding for a couple of studies to confirm or refute his hypothesis, but so far, no takers.</p>
<p>Cheers&#8211;</p>
<p>MRE</em></p>
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