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		<title>By: Walter Bushell</title>
		<link>http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/low-carb-library/are-we-meat-eaters-or-vegetarians-part-ii/#comment-309632</link>
		<dc:creator>Walter Bushell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Feb 2012 22:14:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;People who live in glass houses should not cast the first stone until they have removed the beam that is in their own eye.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;People who live in glass houses should not cast the first stone until they have removed the beam that is in their own eye.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Perfekthälsa &#187; Blog Archive &#187; &#8221;Hur kan man veta&#8221; &#38; &#8221;Man levde ju inte&#8221;</title>
		<link>http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/low-carb-library/are-we-meat-eaters-or-vegetarians-part-ii/#comment-307972</link>
		<dc:creator>Perfekthälsa &#187; Blog Archive &#187; &#8221;Hur kan man veta&#8221; &#38; &#8221;Man levde ju inte&#8221;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jan 2012 14:39:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: GP</title>
		<link>http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/low-carb-library/are-we-meat-eaters-or-vegetarians-part-ii/#comment-307884</link>
		<dc:creator>GP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jan 2012 20:47:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What about the many other predators that roam the earth? Many that will begin eating their prey before its dead. The predators that use poison and watch the prey slowly die, waiting for it to be weak enough to start consuming it? Does a pride of lions sit around pondering why the nearby zebras should not be killed for taste? It is nature, and we are a part of it. Plants are living organisms too, shouldn&#039;t they be able to have a life with out being chopped up? The poor carrot being ripped out of the ground, barely being kept alive by a water spray, until you take it home, chop it to pieces, throw it in boiling water. It doesn&#039;t matter for them though, they don&#039;t have the bambi eyes, or the mouths to cry out.

You want to fundamentally change nature, to you its okay for a wolf to eat deer, but bad for a human to do it. Its fine a killer whales to eat seals, bad for humans too. It is the archaic thinking that we are somehow above nature when we are a part of it, and always will be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What about the many other predators that roam the earth? Many that will begin eating their prey before its dead. The predators that use poison and watch the prey slowly die, waiting for it to be weak enough to start consuming it? Does a pride of lions sit around pondering why the nearby zebras should not be killed for taste? It is nature, and we are a part of it. Plants are living organisms too, shouldn&#8217;t they be able to have a life with out being chopped up? The poor carrot being ripped out of the ground, barely being kept alive by a water spray, until you take it home, chop it to pieces, throw it in boiling water. It doesn&#8217;t matter for them though, they don&#8217;t have the bambi eyes, or the mouths to cry out.</p>
<p>You want to fundamentally change nature, to you its okay for a wolf to eat deer, but bad for a human to do it. Its fine a killer whales to eat seals, bad for humans too. It is the archaic thinking that we are somehow above nature when we are a part of it, and always will be.</p>
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		<title>By: mark</title>
		<link>http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/low-carb-library/are-we-meat-eaters-or-vegetarians-part-ii/#comment-305299</link>
		<dc:creator>mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jan 2012 06:00:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>seriously. your kidding right. you get fat from eating protein based foods but not from carbohydrate food. a man a lot smarter than you or i figured out we are natural hunters and therefore meat eaters and eating that keeps us lean and fit and is good for our kids to eat also. we have always been hunter gatherers from the very first time our ancestors opened there eyes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>seriously. your kidding right. you get fat from eating protein based foods but not from carbohydrate food. a man a lot smarter than you or i figured out we are natural hunters and therefore meat eaters and eating that keeps us lean and fit and is good for our kids to eat also. we have always been hunter gatherers from the very first time our ancestors opened there eyes.</p>
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		<title>By: George Henderson</title>
		<link>http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/low-carb-library/are-we-meat-eaters-or-vegetarians-part-ii/#comment-302564</link>
		<dc:creator>George Henderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jan 2012 22:23:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I suspect that cannibalism was important in our evolution.
And maybe we retained the genetic defect that prevents us making vit C so we could then spare the extra glucose for the brain (an extra 10g or so per day) during carb-fasting states.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suspect that cannibalism was important in our evolution.<br />
And maybe we retained the genetic defect that prevents us making vit C so we could then spare the extra glucose for the brain (an extra 10g or so per day) during carb-fasting states.</p>
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		<title>By: Mijnheer</title>
		<link>http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/low-carb-library/are-we-meat-eaters-or-vegetarians-part-ii/#comment-302007</link>
		<dc:creator>Mijnheer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jan 2012 22:48:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The blogger in question insisted himself that it would be flying in the face of evidence to claim that early man was a vegetarian: he wasn&#039;t. As for the science about the ETH that he was referring to in his post, here&#039;s the original article from Nature:
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v480/n7375/full/nature10629.html
Science is an ongoing conversation. If the latest scientific evidence refutes the idea that meat made us smart, then we should at least tentatively accept that refutation. Perhaps Aiello and Wheeler will have an even better response.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The blogger in question insisted himself that it would be flying in the face of evidence to claim that early man was a vegetarian: he wasn&#8217;t. As for the science about the ETH that he was referring to in his post, here&#8217;s the original article from Nature:<br />
<a href="http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v480/n7375/full/nature10629.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v480/n7375/full/nature10629.html</a><br />
Science is an ongoing conversation. If the latest scientific evidence refutes the idea that meat made us smart, then we should at least tentatively accept that refutation. Perhaps Aiello and Wheeler will have an even better response.</p>
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		<title>By: Jack</title>
		<link>http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/low-carb-library/are-we-meat-eaters-or-vegetarians-part-ii/#comment-301993</link>
		<dc:creator>Jack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jan 2012 22:10:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Even using potatoes as an example of an early vegetable is kinder to the vegan argument than might be warranted, as they&#039;re native to South America and didn&#039;t leave that continent until the 1500s.

http://history-magazine.com/potato.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even using potatoes as an example of an early vegetable is kinder to the vegan argument than might be warranted, as they&#8217;re native to South America and didn&#8217;t leave that continent until the 1500s.</p>
<p><a href="http://history-magazine.com/potato.html" rel="nofollow">http://history-magazine.com/potato.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: mreades</title>
		<link>http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/low-carb-library/are-we-meat-eaters-or-vegetarians-part-ii/#comment-301982</link>
		<dc:creator>mreades</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jan 2012 21:41:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The sub title of this blog says it all: Humane Hypothesis of a Late Holocene Hominid.  Humane in nice, and we all want to be humane, but there is no place for &#039;humane&#039; in a scientific hypothesis. Science is what it is, humane or not.

This blogger is guessing as what Aiello and Wheeler were thinking.  I&#039;ve spoken with Leslie Aiello, and I can tell you she was talking about meat and fat.  And, as she told me, that&#039;s why she and her colleague had such difficulty getting their paper published - it ran afoul of the low-carb zeitgeist at the time.

All that aside, the most simple explanation of an hypothesis is probably the most accurate.  It&#039;s a lot easier to get plenty of calories from eating animals than it is from eating plants.  Early man decorated caves with paintings of hunting and animals - not potatoes and brussels sprouts - so it is fairly easy to guess what was more important to our ancient ancestors.

Plus, it takes an enormous amount of plant food to provide the calories needed for active humans.  If you look up a red potato, a pretty nutritionally dense plant food, in the &lt;a href=&quot;http://ndb.nal.usda.gov/ndb/foods/show/3153&quot; title=&quot;USDA Nutrient Database Red Potato&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;USDA Nutrient Database&lt;/a&gt;, you will find that it takes 19+ medium red potatoes to get the 3,000 calories an active human requires.  The same 19+ red potatoes provide under 80 gms of protein, but it&#039;s not a complete protein and absolutely no vitamin B12, an essential nutrient found only in foods of animal origin.

Assuming for argument&#039;s sake that the ETH is bogus, the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/low-carb-diets/are-we-meat-eaters-or-vegetarians-part-iii/&quot; title=&quot;Are we meat eaters or vegetarians? Part III&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;stable isotope analysis&lt;/a&gt; puts paid to the notion that early man was a vegetarian.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The sub title of this blog says it all: Humane Hypothesis of a Late Holocene Hominid.  Humane in nice, and we all want to be humane, but there is no place for &#8216;humane&#8217; in a scientific hypothesis. Science is what it is, humane or not.</p>
<p>This blogger is guessing as what Aiello and Wheeler were thinking.  I&#8217;ve spoken with Leslie Aiello, and I can tell you she was talking about meat and fat.  And, as she told me, that&#8217;s why she and her colleague had such difficulty getting their paper published &#8211; it ran afoul of the low-carb zeitgeist at the time.</p>
<p>All that aside, the most simple explanation of an hypothesis is probably the most accurate.  It&#8217;s a lot easier to get plenty of calories from eating animals than it is from eating plants.  Early man decorated caves with paintings of hunting and animals &#8211; not potatoes and brussels sprouts &#8211; so it is fairly easy to guess what was more important to our ancient ancestors.</p>
<p>Plus, it takes an enormous amount of plant food to provide the calories needed for active humans.  If you look up a red potato, a pretty nutritionally dense plant food, in the <a href="http://ndb.nal.usda.gov/ndb/foods/show/3153" title="USDA Nutrient Database Red Potato" rel="nofollow">USDA Nutrient Database</a>, you will find that it takes 19+ medium red potatoes to get the 3,000 calories an active human requires.  The same 19+ red potatoes provide under 80 gms of protein, but it&#8217;s not a complete protein and absolutely no vitamin B12, an essential nutrient found only in foods of animal origin.</p>
<p>Assuming for argument&#8217;s sake that the ETH is bogus, the <a href="http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/low-carb-diets/are-we-meat-eaters-or-vegetarians-part-iii/" title="Are we meat eaters or vegetarians? Part III" rel="nofollow">stable isotope analysis</a> puts paid to the notion that early man was a vegetarian.</p>
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		<title>By: Jack</title>
		<link>http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/low-carb-library/are-we-meat-eaters-or-vegetarians-part-ii/#comment-301955</link>
		<dc:creator>Jack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jan 2012 20:33:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A vegan blog has an anti-meat post?</description>
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		<title>By: Mijnheer</title>
		<link>http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/low-carb-library/are-we-meat-eaters-or-vegetarians-part-ii/#comment-301931</link>
		<dc:creator>Mijnheer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jan 2012 19:41:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Uh, oh. It looks like the &quot;meat made us smart&quot; idea may be wrong.
http://paleovegan.blogspot.com/2011/11/its-curtains-for-expensive-tissue.html
But even if the Expensive-Tissue Hypothesis can be resurrected, so what? As intelligent creatures, regardless of how we got to be that way, we are not strictly bound by our past. We can make choices. It&#039;s called progress.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Uh, oh. It looks like the &#8220;meat made us smart&#8221; idea may be wrong.<br />
<a href="http://paleovegan.blogspot.com/2011/11/its-curtains-for-expensive-tissue.html" rel="nofollow">http://paleovegan.blogspot.com/2011/11/its-curtains-for-expensive-tissue.html</a><br />
But even if the Expensive-Tissue Hypothesis can be resurrected, so what? As intelligent creatures, regardless of how we got to be that way, we are not strictly bound by our past. We can make choices. It&#8217;s called progress.</p>
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