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	<title>Comments on: Are we meat eaters or vegetarians? Part II</title>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
		<link>http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/low-carb-library/are-we-meat-eaters-or-vegetarians-part-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-313918</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Mar 2012 08:51:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fibre is not the be all end all you make it out to be. Fibre can actually be harmful to the digestive tract.

Yes, you can be hungry an hour after eating a chicken breast. This is because it is lean. And you can be hungry an hour later eating a cup of beans as well. What stops you from getting hungry for hours is the amount of fat you consume.

Raising animals in factory farm conditions is a US trait. Same goes with treating them with mass antibiotics. In Europe we have rules that stop this sort of process. All the animals are raised in pasture.

And raising animals on pasture replaces the nitrogen into the land when animals urinate. Plants do not put nitrogen back into the land. This is trypical vegan/vegetarian propaganda. Plants LEACH minerals etc from the land. Animals are responsible for putting some of these goodness back into the land. Same goes with water, as most water is consumed by agriculture - meaning plant farming.

Vegans/vegetarians should really get a clue. You spout the same tired crap that is shot down again and again and again. Don&#039;t you realise that you are talking to a brick wall because NOBODY but FOOLS believe you any more?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fibre is not the be all end all you make it out to be. Fibre can actually be harmful to the digestive tract.</p>
<p>Yes, you can be hungry an hour after eating a chicken breast. This is because it is lean. And you can be hungry an hour later eating a cup of beans as well. What stops you from getting hungry for hours is the amount of fat you consume.</p>
<p>Raising animals in factory farm conditions is a US trait. Same goes with treating them with mass antibiotics. In Europe we have rules that stop this sort of process. All the animals are raised in pasture.</p>
<p>And raising animals on pasture replaces the nitrogen into the land when animals urinate. Plants do not put nitrogen back into the land. This is trypical vegan/vegetarian propaganda. Plants LEACH minerals etc from the land. Animals are responsible for putting some of these goodness back into the land. Same goes with water, as most water is consumed by agriculture &#8211; meaning plant farming.</p>
<p>Vegans/vegetarians should really get a clue. You spout the same tired crap that is shot down again and again and again. Don&#8217;t you realise that you are talking to a brick wall because NOBODY but FOOLS believe you any more?</p>
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		<title>By: AHHURA &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Are we meat eaters or vegetarians? Part III</title>
		<link>http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/low-carb-library/are-we-meat-eaters-or-vegetarians-part-ii/comment-page-13/#comment-313482</link>
		<dc:creator>AHHURA &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Are we meat eaters or vegetarians? Part III</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Mar 2012 22:52:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] convincingly demonstrates we were descended from meat eaters, not vegetarians.  (Click here and here for those posts.) A couple of recent developments have now inspired me to write a [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] convincingly demonstrates we were descended from meat eaters, not vegetarians.  (Click here and here for those posts.) A couple of recent developments have now inspired me to write a [...]</p>
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		<title>By: The Obesity Epidemic, Courtesy of the Agricultural Industry &#124; The Health Matrix</title>
		<link>http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/low-carb-library/are-we-meat-eaters-or-vegetarians-part-ii/comment-page-13/#comment-311571</link>
		<dc:creator>The Obesity Epidemic, Courtesy of the Agricultural Industry &#124; The Health Matrix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Feb 2012 14:28:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] freezing epochs actually encouraged our brains to enlarge and develop so that we became human. We became smart &#8211; homo sapiens sapiens &#8211; because we ate animal fat and meat. Thus, it is not surprising to note that evidence is growing that vegetarians and members of [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] freezing epochs actually encouraged our brains to enlarge and develop so that we became human. We became smart &#8211; homo sapiens sapiens &#8211; because we ate animal fat and meat. Thus, it is not surprising to note that evidence is growing that vegetarians and members of [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Walter Bushell</title>
		<link>http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/low-carb-library/are-we-meat-eaters-or-vegetarians-part-ii/comment-page-4/#comment-309632</link>
		<dc:creator>Walter Bushell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Feb 2012 22:14:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;People who live in glass houses should not cast the first stone until they have removed the beam that is in their own eye.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;People who live in glass houses should not cast the first stone until they have removed the beam that is in their own eye.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Perfekthälsa &#187; Blog Archive &#187; &#8221;Hur kan man veta&#8221; &#38; &#8221;Man levde ju inte&#8221;</title>
		<link>http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/low-carb-library/are-we-meat-eaters-or-vegetarians-part-ii/comment-page-12/#comment-307972</link>
		<dc:creator>Perfekthälsa &#187; Blog Archive &#187; &#8221;Hur kan man veta&#8221; &#38; &#8221;Man levde ju inte&#8221;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jan 2012 14:39:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/low-carb-library/are-we-meat-eaters-or-vegetarians-part-ii/ [...]</description>
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		<title>By: GP</title>
		<link>http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/low-carb-library/are-we-meat-eaters-or-vegetarians-part-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-307884</link>
		<dc:creator>GP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jan 2012 20:47:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What about the many other predators that roam the earth? Many that will begin eating their prey before its dead. The predators that use poison and watch the prey slowly die, waiting for it to be weak enough to start consuming it? Does a pride of lions sit around pondering why the nearby zebras should not be killed for taste? It is nature, and we are a part of it. Plants are living organisms too, shouldn&#039;t they be able to have a life with out being chopped up? The poor carrot being ripped out of the ground, barely being kept alive by a water spray, until you take it home, chop it to pieces, throw it in boiling water. It doesn&#039;t matter for them though, they don&#039;t have the bambi eyes, or the mouths to cry out.

You want to fundamentally change nature, to you its okay for a wolf to eat deer, but bad for a human to do it. Its fine a killer whales to eat seals, bad for humans too. It is the archaic thinking that we are somehow above nature when we are a part of it, and always will be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What about the many other predators that roam the earth? Many that will begin eating their prey before its dead. The predators that use poison and watch the prey slowly die, waiting for it to be weak enough to start consuming it? Does a pride of lions sit around pondering why the nearby zebras should not be killed for taste? It is nature, and we are a part of it. Plants are living organisms too, shouldn&#8217;t they be able to have a life with out being chopped up? The poor carrot being ripped out of the ground, barely being kept alive by a water spray, until you take it home, chop it to pieces, throw it in boiling water. It doesn&#8217;t matter for them though, they don&#8217;t have the bambi eyes, or the mouths to cry out.</p>
<p>You want to fundamentally change nature, to you its okay for a wolf to eat deer, but bad for a human to do it. Its fine a killer whales to eat seals, bad for humans too. It is the archaic thinking that we are somehow above nature when we are a part of it, and always will be.</p>
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		<title>By: mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jan 2012 06:00:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>seriously. your kidding right. you get fat from eating protein based foods but not from carbohydrate food. a man a lot smarter than you or i figured out we are natural hunters and therefore meat eaters and eating that keeps us lean and fit and is good for our kids to eat also. we have always been hunter gatherers from the very first time our ancestors opened there eyes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>seriously. your kidding right. you get fat from eating protein based foods but not from carbohydrate food. a man a lot smarter than you or i figured out we are natural hunters and therefore meat eaters and eating that keeps us lean and fit and is good for our kids to eat also. we have always been hunter gatherers from the very first time our ancestors opened there eyes.</p>
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		<title>By: George Henderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>George Henderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jan 2012 22:23:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I suspect that cannibalism was important in our evolution.
And maybe we retained the genetic defect that prevents us making vit C so we could then spare the extra glucose for the brain (an extra 10g or so per day) during carb-fasting states.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suspect that cannibalism was important in our evolution.<br />
And maybe we retained the genetic defect that prevents us making vit C so we could then spare the extra glucose for the brain (an extra 10g or so per day) during carb-fasting states.</p>
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		<title>By: Mijnheer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mijnheer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jan 2012 22:48:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The blogger in question insisted himself that it would be flying in the face of evidence to claim that early man was a vegetarian: he wasn&#039;t. As for the science about the ETH that he was referring to in his post, here&#039;s the original article from Nature:
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v480/n7375/full/nature10629.html
Science is an ongoing conversation. If the latest scientific evidence refutes the idea that meat made us smart, then we should at least tentatively accept that refutation. Perhaps Aiello and Wheeler will have an even better response.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The blogger in question insisted himself that it would be flying in the face of evidence to claim that early man was a vegetarian: he wasn&#8217;t. As for the science about the ETH that he was referring to in his post, here&#8217;s the original article from Nature:<br />
<a href="http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v480/n7375/full/nature10629.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v480/n7375/full/nature10629.html</a><br />
Science is an ongoing conversation. If the latest scientific evidence refutes the idea that meat made us smart, then we should at least tentatively accept that refutation. Perhaps Aiello and Wheeler will have an even better response.</p>
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		<title>By: Jack</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jan 2012 22:10:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Even using potatoes as an example of an early vegetable is kinder to the vegan argument than might be warranted, as they&#039;re native to South America and didn&#039;t leave that continent until the 1500s.

http://history-magazine.com/potato.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even using potatoes as an example of an early vegetable is kinder to the vegan argument than might be warranted, as they&#8217;re native to South America and didn&#8217;t leave that continent until the 1500s.</p>
<p><a href="http://history-magazine.com/potato.html" rel="nofollow">http://history-magazine.com/potato.html</a></p>
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