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		<title>By: Gretchen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gretchen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Mar 2010 13:59:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think this whole debate with vegans is pretty silly. Face it: the bulk of the population will never go vegan just as they&#039;ll never stop smoking, stop eating snacks, stop driving cars, stop watching TV, stop buying stuff they don&#039;t really need, or stop having children.

If we really want to save the world, we should stop wars and devote all that money to health care, education, and energy conservation. But humans seem to have a need to fight, whether about religion, territory, or the best diet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think this whole debate with vegans is pretty silly. Face it: the bulk of the population will never go vegan just as they&#8217;ll never stop smoking, stop eating snacks, stop driving cars, stop watching TV, stop buying stuff they don&#8217;t really need, or stop having children.</p>
<p>If we really want to save the world, we should stop wars and devote all that money to health care, education, and energy conservation. But humans seem to have a need to fight, whether about religion, territory, or the best diet.</p>
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		<title>By: Williamsburg Strength and Conditioning - CrossFit 1776 - Williamsburg, VA &#187; CrossFit strength and conditioning and how to live your best!</title>
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		<dc:creator>Williamsburg Strength and Conditioning - CrossFit 1776 - Williamsburg, VA &#187; CrossFit strength and conditioning and how to live your best!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Mar 2010 11:17:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] #1 The Vegetarian Myth by Lierre Kieth.Â  My review here. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] #1 The Vegetarian Myth by Lierre Kieth.Â  My review here. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: mreades</title>
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		<dc:creator>mreades</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Mar 2010 06:22:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Too bad that the person who wrote this rebuttal didn&#039;t have the balls to put his/her name to it.  At least Lierre doesn&#039;t hide behind the anonymity of an unsigned critique.  Of course, she doesn&#039;t assault people and run either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Too bad that the person who wrote this rebuttal didn&#8217;t have the balls to put his/her name to it.  At least Lierre doesn&#8217;t hide behind the anonymity of an unsigned critique.  Of course, she doesn&#8217;t assault people and run either.</p>
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		<title>By: spot</title>
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		<dc:creator>spot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Mar 2010 23:45:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah. &quot;The vegans did it&quot;. Cause you know they&#039;re all the same...just like all muslims are terrorists, right? Here is some of the counter-argument.

http://tinyurl.com/yk5ew6t</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah. &#8220;The vegans did it&#8221;. Cause you know they&#8217;re all the same&#8230;just like all muslims are terrorists, right? Here is some of the counter-argument.</p>
<p><a href="http://tinyurl.com/yk5ew6t" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/yk5ew6t</a></p>
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		<title>By: LCforevah</title>
		<link>http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/lipid-hypothesis/the-vegetarian-myth/#comment-243703</link>
		<dc:creator>LCforevah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Mar 2010 14:53:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bill, what the vegans did to Lierre Keith was malicious, stupid, and will certainly hurt their reputation for pacifism. What were they thinking? That harming a fellow human being would make them look moral? It just makes it look like they have no counter argument--they actually don&#039;t--as we know.

When I first heard about the incident, I tried to get my head around their reasoning. I realize now that there is no reasoning. The vegans did something that will only hurt their cause.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bill, what the vegans did to Lierre Keith was malicious, stupid, and will certainly hurt their reputation for pacifism. What were they thinking? That harming a fellow human being would make them look moral? It just makes it look like they have no counter argument&#8211;they actually don&#8217;t&#8211;as we know.</p>
<p>When I first heard about the incident, I tried to get my head around their reasoning. I realize now that there is no reasoning. The vegans did something that will only hurt their cause.</p>
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		<title>By: 2009 Bestseller list &#124; The Blog of Michael R. Eades, M.D.</title>
		<link>http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/lipid-hypothesis/the-vegetarian-myth/#comment-243620</link>
		<dc:creator>2009 Bestseller list &#124; The Blog of Michael R. Eades, M.D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 17:40:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] #1 The Vegetarian Myth by Lierre Kieth.  My review here. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] #1 The Vegetarian Myth by Lierre Kieth.  My review here. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
		<link>http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/lipid-hypothesis/the-vegetarian-myth/#comment-243574</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 19:58:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://realfoodblog.com/uncategorized/author-of-the-vegetarian-myth-attacked-by-militant-vegans/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Author Of The Vegetarian Myth Attacked By Militant Vegans&lt;/a&gt;

March 13th, while speaking in the auditorium at the 15th Annual Bay Area Anarchist Bookfair, Lierre Kieth was assaulted by pie throwing goons. The 3 pies were laced with hot pepper and therefor had an effect similar to pepper spray, blinding the author for a time. The painful attack was was carried out by three masked, militant vegans unhappy with the substance of the authors new book, The Vegetarian Myth.</description>
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<p>March 13th, while speaking in the auditorium at the 15th Annual Bay Area Anarchist Bookfair, Lierre Kieth was assaulted by pie throwing goons. The 3 pies were laced with hot pepper and therefor had an effect similar to pepper spray, blinding the author for a time. The painful attack was was carried out by three masked, militant vegans unhappy with the substance of the authors new book, The Vegetarian Myth.</p>
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		<title>By: ak</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Mar 2010 00:25:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>okay. I can&#039;t wait to see.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>okay. I can&#8217;t wait to see.</p>
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		<title>By: mreades</title>
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		<dc:creator>mreades</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Mar 2010 00:13:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t even know where to begin.  I&#039;m not going to get sucked into writing an entire post in the comments section.  You&#039;ll have to wait for part III.  And I&#039;ve even got a part IV in mind now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t even know where to begin.  I&#8217;m not going to get sucked into writing an entire post in the comments section.  You&#8217;ll have to wait for part III.  And I&#8217;ve even got a part IV in mind now.</p>
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		<title>By: ak</title>
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		<dc:creator>ak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 23:47:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The tooth argument matters, because it really doesn&#039;t make sense with the rest of your theory. Primatologists can and have explained the large canines of gorillas - they are for behavioral displays and competition for mates. This is why the canines of the male are 4 times larger than those of the female, and why they do not fully develop until sexual maturity. Silverbacks possess the largest canines. But the canines are not the whole story, in fact, many herbivores and omnivores have large canines for fighting, and usually they show up more prominently in the males (horse, pig, etc). The fact that the gorilla is a herbivore is also the reason that they have large flat molars for grinding plant matter, just like other herbivores do.

Now if we look at the carnivores (lets set aside humans), most of them have cheek teeth called carnassials, which are very sharp, shearing teeth set in the most powerful part of the jaw. This is for shearing tough materials like meat, sinew, and bone. Not all carnivores have these teeth but all carnivores, and herbivores for that matter, have very unique teeth that are extremely well adapted to their diet. There are hypsodonts, lophodonts, brachydonts, bunodonts, etc etc etc. All different types of teeth suited to all different types of diets.

Now you say, our teeth are exempt from these evolutionary constraints because we evolved big brains to figure out ways of handling our meat. However, this creates a catch-22, the way I see it. If you say we were able to evolve our big brains because of our richer, meat-based diet, that would mean that the meat-eating came before our brains. So, without proper equipment to eat the meat before we developed brains, how did we do it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The tooth argument matters, because it really doesn&#8217;t make sense with the rest of your theory. Primatologists can and have explained the large canines of gorillas &#8211; they are for behavioral displays and competition for mates. This is why the canines of the male are 4 times larger than those of the female, and why they do not fully develop until sexual maturity. Silverbacks possess the largest canines. But the canines are not the whole story, in fact, many herbivores and omnivores have large canines for fighting, and usually they show up more prominently in the males (horse, pig, etc). The fact that the gorilla is a herbivore is also the reason that they have large flat molars for grinding plant matter, just like other herbivores do.</p>
<p>Now if we look at the carnivores (lets set aside humans), most of them have cheek teeth called carnassials, which are very sharp, shearing teeth set in the most powerful part of the jaw. This is for shearing tough materials like meat, sinew, and bone. Not all carnivores have these teeth but all carnivores, and herbivores for that matter, have very unique teeth that are extremely well adapted to their diet. There are hypsodonts, lophodonts, brachydonts, bunodonts, etc etc etc. All different types of teeth suited to all different types of diets.</p>
<p>Now you say, our teeth are exempt from these evolutionary constraints because we evolved big brains to figure out ways of handling our meat. However, this creates a catch-22, the way I see it. If you say we were able to evolve our big brains because of our richer, meat-based diet, that would mean that the meat-eating came before our brains. So, without proper equipment to eat the meat before we developed brains, how did we do it?</p>
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