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		<title>By: Brian R</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Mar 2012 19:44:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Paleo Huntress:
&quot;There is absolutely nothing, and I mean NOT A SINGLE THING that would support the idea that veganism might be the healthiest diet.&quot;

-&gt; Where did I say &quot;veganism&quot; was the healthiest diet?  There is tons of evidence that a whole foods plant-based diet is healthier than diets that involve meat and dairy.  You should be aware of the evidence since you said you read The China Study (although you must have missed at least chapter 3 and the part at the end that talks about plants&#039; ability to absorb vitamin B12).  There are a lot of studies quoted in that book.  I&#039;m not saying it&#039;s definitive but you say that there is &quot;NOT A SINGLE&quot; bit of evidence which is simply not true.  Some parts of The China Study you can question but you can&#039;t dismiss everything presented in that book or say that it provides no evidence that a whole foods plant-based diet is the healthiest.  You can&#039;t deny that animal protein raises cholesterol levels and is causing the massive amounts of heart disease we see in the West and that one of the remedies is a whole foods plant-based diet.  There are clinics that are using this diet to take people off their meds and reverse heart disease and have been doing so for years now.  Dr. Esselstyn&#039;s clinic was mentioned in The China Study and in Forks Over Knives and there are other clinics mentioned in FOK that are using this diet to manage people&#039;s diabetes without medication not to mention tons of anecdotal reports.  How you can say there isn&#039;t &quot;A SINGLE THING&quot; after all my comments is baffling to me and I&#039;m not going to go around in circles.

If there wasn&#039;t a single thing to support a whole foods plant-based diet as being the healthiest diet, this study http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10555529?dopt=Abstract wouldn&#039;t have concluded: &quot;Vegetarians have a lower risk of dying from ischaemic heart disease than non-vegetarians.&quot;.  Or this study http://www.pmri.org/publications/Lifestyle_Changes_and_Prostate_Cancer.pdf showing the benefits of a primarily whole food vegan diet on cancer.

&quot;From the perspective of evolution and survival of the fittest, the idea that the human body evolved to be healthiest on a diet that can’t be “done right” without supplementation provided by a lab is ludicrous.&quot;

-&gt; This is wrong on many levels.  For one, we evolved to be able to survive on many different diets including plant-based ones.  We can extract all the nutrients we need from plant-based sources and whole foods vegan diets have the highest amount of anti-oxidants from higher levels of fruits and veggies.
Secondly, I&#039;m recommending vegans take vitamin B12 as a precautionary measure.  Many don&#039;t supplement and their vitamin B12 levels are fine.  This may be my fault for not making it clear.
Thirdly, when the soil has vitamin B12 from manure, plants can absorb B12.  The problem has been that over-farming has depleted the soil of micronutrients like B12 and farmers don&#039;t have much incentive to put micronutrients back in the soil.  People from third-world countries where the sanitation isn&#039;t as good  that eat vegan diets acquire B12 from fruits, veggies and other foods that are contaminated with bacteria.  Prehistoric vegans would have been able to acquire B12 in similar ways.
Fourthly, since you brought up evolution, it&#039;s worth noting that we evolved from the apes who eat primarily vegan diets; therefore, according to your logic, this would be the healthiest diet.  I think this idea of yours is a metaphysical belief that doesn&#039;t have any proof.  What period of human history or the history of our ancestors are you referring to anyways and in what part of the world?  There isn&#039;t just one human diet that we evolved on as you seem to imply.
Take a look at the effect of Dr. Oz&#039;s prehistoric diet which is a whole foods plant-based diet: http://www.doctoroz.com/videos/prehistoric-diet-pt-1.  Like he says, if you could put the effects from this diet in a pill it would be phenomenal showing just how healthy a plant-based whole foods diet really is.

&quot;The longest lived people in the world are omnis.&quot;

-&gt; This doesn&#039;t prove anything even if it&#039;s true.  There are way more omnis than vegans giving them a statistically higher chance at having a few that live the longest.  This is flawed logic that doesn&#039;t follow the scientific method as you seem to adhere to.

&quot;There isn’t a shred of evidence, either from the scientific method or from empirical observation that supports your theory, no matter how badly you wish it was so.&quot;

-&gt; I think I provided many shreds no matter how badly you wish they didn&#039;t exist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Paleo Huntress:<br />
&#8220;There is absolutely nothing, and I mean NOT A SINGLE THING that would support the idea that veganism might be the healthiest diet.&#8221;</p>
<p>-&gt; Where did I say &#8220;veganism&#8221; was the healthiest diet?  There is tons of evidence that a whole foods plant-based diet is healthier than diets that involve meat and dairy.  You should be aware of the evidence since you said you read The China Study (although you must have missed at least chapter 3 and the part at the end that talks about plants&#8217; ability to absorb vitamin B12).  There are a lot of studies quoted in that book.  I&#8217;m not saying it&#8217;s definitive but you say that there is &#8220;NOT A SINGLE&#8221; bit of evidence which is simply not true.  Some parts of The China Study you can question but you can&#8217;t dismiss everything presented in that book or say that it provides no evidence that a whole foods plant-based diet is the healthiest.  You can&#8217;t deny that animal protein raises cholesterol levels and is causing the massive amounts of heart disease we see in the West and that one of the remedies is a whole foods plant-based diet.  There are clinics that are using this diet to take people off their meds and reverse heart disease and have been doing so for years now.  Dr. Esselstyn&#8217;s clinic was mentioned in The China Study and in Forks Over Knives and there are other clinics mentioned in FOK that are using this diet to manage people&#8217;s diabetes without medication not to mention tons of anecdotal reports.  How you can say there isn&#8217;t &#8220;A SINGLE THING&#8221; after all my comments is baffling to me and I&#8217;m not going to go around in circles.</p>
<p>If there wasn&#8217;t a single thing to support a whole foods plant-based diet as being the healthiest diet, this study <a href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10555529?dopt=Abstract" rel="nofollow">http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10555529?dopt=Abstract</a> wouldn&#8217;t have concluded: &#8220;Vegetarians have a lower risk of dying from ischaemic heart disease than non-vegetarians.&#8221;.  Or this study <a href="http://www.pmri.org/publications/Lifestyle_Changes_and_Prostate_Cancer.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.pmri.org/publications/Lifestyle_Changes_and_Prostate_Cancer.pdf</a> showing the benefits of a primarily whole food vegan diet on cancer.</p>
<p>&#8220;From the perspective of evolution and survival of the fittest, the idea that the human body evolved to be healthiest on a diet that can’t be “done right” without supplementation provided by a lab is ludicrous.&#8221;</p>
<p>-&gt; This is wrong on many levels.  For one, we evolved to be able to survive on many different diets including plant-based ones.  We can extract all the nutrients we need from plant-based sources and whole foods vegan diets have the highest amount of anti-oxidants from higher levels of fruits and veggies.<br />
Secondly, I&#8217;m recommending vegans take vitamin B12 as a precautionary measure.  Many don&#8217;t supplement and their vitamin B12 levels are fine.  This may be my fault for not making it clear.<br />
Thirdly, when the soil has vitamin B12 from manure, plants can absorb B12.  The problem has been that over-farming has depleted the soil of micronutrients like B12 and farmers don&#8217;t have much incentive to put micronutrients back in the soil.  People from third-world countries where the sanitation isn&#8217;t as good  that eat vegan diets acquire B12 from fruits, veggies and other foods that are contaminated with bacteria.  Prehistoric vegans would have been able to acquire B12 in similar ways.<br />
Fourthly, since you brought up evolution, it&#8217;s worth noting that we evolved from the apes who eat primarily vegan diets; therefore, according to your logic, this would be the healthiest diet.  I think this idea of yours is a metaphysical belief that doesn&#8217;t have any proof.  What period of human history or the history of our ancestors are you referring to anyways and in what part of the world?  There isn&#8217;t just one human diet that we evolved on as you seem to imply.<br />
Take a look at the effect of Dr. Oz&#8217;s prehistoric diet which is a whole foods plant-based diet: <a href="http://www.doctoroz.com/videos/prehistoric-diet-pt-1" rel="nofollow">http://www.doctoroz.com/videos/prehistoric-diet-pt-1</a>.  Like he says, if you could put the effects from this diet in a pill it would be phenomenal showing just how healthy a plant-based whole foods diet really is.</p>
<p>&#8220;The longest lived people in the world are omnis.&#8221;</p>
<p>-&gt; This doesn&#8217;t prove anything even if it&#8217;s true.  There are way more omnis than vegans giving them a statistically higher chance at having a few that live the longest.  This is flawed logic that doesn&#8217;t follow the scientific method as you seem to adhere to.</p>
<p>&#8220;There isn’t a shred of evidence, either from the scientific method or from empirical observation that supports your theory, no matter how badly you wish it was so.&#8221;</p>
<p>-&gt; I think I provided many shreds no matter how badly you wish they didn&#8217;t exist.</p>
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		<title>By: rhytonen</title>
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		<dc:creator>rhytonen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Mar 2012 18:29:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That Beck DOES &quot;make it into her ramblings,&quot; is PLENTY to justify my disinterest in what is already in this description less than worthy of the time I have just squandered on it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That Beck DOES &#8220;make it into her ramblings,&#8221; is PLENTY to justify my disinterest in what is already in this description less than worthy of the time I have just squandered on it.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Feb 2012 22:14:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First point :

The diet that provided the one Dr. in the video (link on Drs Eades website) with such undeniable recovery is first and foremost a diet that requires the consumption of NINE cups of vegetables and fruits per day. How much room do you have for meat and carbohydrates after consuming that volume of vegetable matter? If everyone consumed that amount of plant material, our meat consumption would be drastically reduced.

Second point: 

Agriculture as practiced is wasteful, as wasteful as our lawns. The custom of keeping lawns developed in the middle ages so wealthy landowners could show they did not need to devote the land around their homes to food production. The average American family could raise a substantial portion of their dietary plant requirements on their small suburban plots. Raise what you need, eliminate transportation costs, the the middlemen, and loss of nutrients, pick it when it&#039;s ripe. A much greater variety of plants is available than most people ever are exposed to in the produce aisles of their local supermarkets, or produce stands.

Third point:

The grass fed meats prescribed as part of the diet of are more nutritious, and as a result do not need to be consumed in the same quantities.  The human body&#039;s nutritional requirements cannot easily be met without consuming animal flesh. The anecdotal evidence of the superiority of vegan eating regimens usually does not include the supplements taken, nor the inherited medical histories of the people offered as examples.  We do not all inherit the same physiology.  Some will do better on a strict vegan regimen because it is more healthful than their previous way of eating. Such improvement, however, does not preclude the possibility that judicious, limited consumption of grass fed meats might result in an even higher level of health and vitality.  Consuming a 16 oz marbled corn fed steak five nights per week is not the same as consuming a 3 or 4 oz portion of grass fed meat twice a week.

Point four:

Did anyone notice that the book that Dr. Eades recommends is right alongside the recommendation of another physician who recommends eating NINE cups per day of food from plants? It is the defenders of the vegan diet who are refusing to evaluate new information.  The so called &quot;stupid&quot; comment caused the author to challenge her assumptions, do some RESEARCH, and draw different conclusions. She did not write a book out of thin air without research and evaluation. Come on! Seriously, evaluate what is being said without throwing your prejudices into the mix.

&quot;This guy&quot; referred to above, is a physician, with a history, along with his wife, of helping thousands of people lose weight, normalize blood sugar and blood pressure, lower cholesterol.  

Unless you are growing your own food, you more than likely are consuming a higher quantity of grains than you realize. They are in nearly every packaged, processed food. 

The grains we consume, particularly wheat, have been selectively bred for higher gluten content for over a century to give whiter, lighter, fluffier bread.  Freshly ground natural grains are less problematic because they have more natural oil, more fiber, more nutrition. That in no way is intended to dismiss or minimize the suffering of people who are allergic or sensitive to gluten.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First point :</p>
<p>The diet that provided the one Dr. in the video (link on Drs Eades website) with such undeniable recovery is first and foremost a diet that requires the consumption of NINE cups of vegetables and fruits per day. How much room do you have for meat and carbohydrates after consuming that volume of vegetable matter? If everyone consumed that amount of plant material, our meat consumption would be drastically reduced.</p>
<p>Second point: </p>
<p>Agriculture as practiced is wasteful, as wasteful as our lawns. The custom of keeping lawns developed in the middle ages so wealthy landowners could show they did not need to devote the land around their homes to food production. The average American family could raise a substantial portion of their dietary plant requirements on their small suburban plots. Raise what you need, eliminate transportation costs, the the middlemen, and loss of nutrients, pick it when it&#8217;s ripe. A much greater variety of plants is available than most people ever are exposed to in the produce aisles of their local supermarkets, or produce stands.</p>
<p>Third point:</p>
<p>The grass fed meats prescribed as part of the diet of are more nutritious, and as a result do not need to be consumed in the same quantities.  The human body&#8217;s nutritional requirements cannot easily be met without consuming animal flesh. The anecdotal evidence of the superiority of vegan eating regimens usually does not include the supplements taken, nor the inherited medical histories of the people offered as examples.  We do not all inherit the same physiology.  Some will do better on a strict vegan regimen because it is more healthful than their previous way of eating. Such improvement, however, does not preclude the possibility that judicious, limited consumption of grass fed meats might result in an even higher level of health and vitality.  Consuming a 16 oz marbled corn fed steak five nights per week is not the same as consuming a 3 or 4 oz portion of grass fed meat twice a week.</p>
<p>Point four:</p>
<p>Did anyone notice that the book that Dr. Eades recommends is right alongside the recommendation of another physician who recommends eating NINE cups per day of food from plants? It is the defenders of the vegan diet who are refusing to evaluate new information.  The so called &#8220;stupid&#8221; comment caused the author to challenge her assumptions, do some RESEARCH, and draw different conclusions. She did not write a book out of thin air without research and evaluation. Come on! Seriously, evaluate what is being said without throwing your prejudices into the mix.</p>
<p>&#8220;This guy&#8221; referred to above, is a physician, with a history, along with his wife, of helping thousands of people lose weight, normalize blood sugar and blood pressure, lower cholesterol.  </p>
<p>Unless you are growing your own food, you more than likely are consuming a higher quantity of grains than you realize. They are in nearly every packaged, processed food. </p>
<p>The grains we consume, particularly wheat, have been selectively bred for higher gluten content for over a century to give whiter, lighter, fluffier bread.  Freshly ground natural grains are less problematic because they have more natural oil, more fiber, more nutrition. That in no way is intended to dismiss or minimize the suffering of people who are allergic or sensitive to gluten.</p>
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		<title>By: Ann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Feb 2012 04:49:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Vegans will probably be zealous (or brain-damaged from nutrient deprivation) enough to do it.  They have no idea how things will turn out for them - don&#039;t see many vegans around old enough to make a clear statement about the suitability of a vegan diet for humans.

I&#039;m eager to do it.  I know how I&#039;ll come out.  The same way my ancestors have for at least the past 30,000 years-

Sign me up!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Vegans will probably be zealous (or brain-damaged from nutrient deprivation) enough to do it.  They have no idea how things will turn out for them &#8211; don&#8217;t see many vegans around old enough to make a clear statement about the suitability of a vegan diet for humans.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m eager to do it.  I know how I&#8217;ll come out.  The same way my ancestors have for at least the past 30,000 years-</p>
<p>Sign me up!</p>
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		<title>By: Its da truth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Its da truth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Feb 2012 21:36:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Right on Selena. This book is subjective and lacks common sense facts (like yours) but it&#039;s got lots of little quotes so the doctor thinks it&#039;s a good book. I&#039;m glad my GP works on a more academic level.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right on Selena. This book is subjective and lacks common sense facts (like yours) but it&#8217;s got lots of little quotes so the doctor thinks it&#8217;s a good book. I&#8217;m glad my GP works on a more academic level.</p>
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		<title>By: Its da truth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Its da truth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Feb 2012 21:26:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow. I&#039;m amazed that someone is finding this writing so revolutionary. One ex vegetarian decides after reading a really stupid comment (of which there are many on both sides) to change her view and has to write a book because she needs to indoctrinate people. Hmmm. And the grains, oh the grains. Sorry but most vegetarians I know are not consuming grains like they&#039;re going out of fashion .More likely the livestock industry is growing and feeding them to the stock!!! By the way I like my meat but I like it free range and organic because my doctor said to avoid hormone saturated products due to endometriosis. Plus factory farming is cruel. Me thinks this guy just raves about this book because it fits his view of things and gives him lots of quotes. It is neither intelligent writing nor objective.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow. I&#8217;m amazed that someone is finding this writing so revolutionary. One ex vegetarian decides after reading a really stupid comment (of which there are many on both sides) to change her view and has to write a book because she needs to indoctrinate people. Hmmm. And the grains, oh the grains. Sorry but most vegetarians I know are not consuming grains like they&#8217;re going out of fashion .More likely the livestock industry is growing and feeding them to the stock!!! By the way I like my meat but I like it free range and organic because my doctor said to avoid hormone saturated products due to endometriosis. Plus factory farming is cruel. Me thinks this guy just raves about this book because it fits his view of things and gives him lots of quotes. It is neither intelligent writing nor objective.</p>
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		<title>By: redearth</title>
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		<dc:creator>redearth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Feb 2012 23:39:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>anthocyanins may be inessential George, but does that equate to useless? There&#039;s no suggestion that they are nutrients in your quote, only that the aubergine supplies them when you eat it. Anthocyanins can be helpful in maintenance of health and in the treatment of health issues-http://researchnews.osu.edu/archive/canberry.htm

Also fibre is an indigestible carbohydrate?
How does that equate with the value of soluble fibre, indigestible as it is, to absorb toxins from the bowel and excess Oestrogen metabolites and remove them safely from the body?
Did the article to which you refer suggest that we live off aubergines alone? Or was it perhaps just acting as an editorial and informing interested parties about aubergines.
Fuzzy thinking indeed....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>anthocyanins may be inessential George, but does that equate to useless? There&#8217;s no suggestion that they are nutrients in your quote, only that the aubergine supplies them when you eat it. Anthocyanins can be helpful in maintenance of health and in the treatment of health issues-http://researchnews.osu.edu/archive/canberry.htm</p>
<p>Also fibre is an indigestible carbohydrate?<br />
How does that equate with the value of soluble fibre, indigestible as it is, to absorb toxins from the bowel and excess Oestrogen metabolites and remove them safely from the body?<br />
Did the article to which you refer suggest that we live off aubergines alone? Or was it perhaps just acting as an editorial and informing interested parties about aubergines.<br />
Fuzzy thinking indeed&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Paleo Huntress</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paleo Huntress</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2012 13:44:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brian: There is absolutely nothing, and I mean NOT A SINGLE THING that would support the idea that veganism might be the healthiest diet. From the perspective of evolution and survival of the fittest, the idea that the human body evolved to be healthiest on a diet that can&#039;t be &quot;done right&quot; without supplementation provided by a lab is ludicrous. I&#039;ll suggest instead that it is the omni diet &quot;done right&quot; that is optimum and most certainly healthiest. The longest lived people in the world are omnis. There isn&#039;t a shred of evidence, either from the scientific method or from empirical observation that supports your theory, no matter how badly you wish it was so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian: There is absolutely nothing, and I mean NOT A SINGLE THING that would support the idea that veganism might be the healthiest diet. From the perspective of evolution and survival of the fittest, the idea that the human body evolved to be healthiest on a diet that can&#8217;t be &#8220;done right&#8221; without supplementation provided by a lab is ludicrous. I&#8217;ll suggest instead that it is the omni diet &#8220;done right&#8221; that is optimum and most certainly healthiest. The longest lived people in the world are omnis. There isn&#8217;t a shred of evidence, either from the scientific method or from empirical observation that supports your theory, no matter how badly you wish it was so.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian R</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Feb 2012 22:21:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also, only one of the examples mentioned had anything to do with veganism and athletic performance: Carl Lewis (but he mentions his whole team in the video).  Mike Tyson is retired and Ellen Degeneres is just a popular figure who just seems to radiate health and Bill Clinton is obviously not an athlete but is doing it for his heart issues because all the omnivorous diets he tried didn&#039;t reverse his heart disease like the whole foods, plant-based one did.  I&#039;m not saying that there aren&#039;t people on omnivorous diets that radiate health but I&#039;m trying to show that a whole foods, vegan diet can be very healthy, and maybe even the healthiest diet, if done right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, only one of the examples mentioned had anything to do with veganism and athletic performance: Carl Lewis (but he mentions his whole team in the video).  Mike Tyson is retired and Ellen Degeneres is just a popular figure who just seems to radiate health and Bill Clinton is obviously not an athlete but is doing it for his heart issues because all the omnivorous diets he tried didn&#8217;t reverse his heart disease like the whole foods, plant-based one did.  I&#8217;m not saying that there aren&#8217;t people on omnivorous diets that radiate health but I&#8217;m trying to show that a whole foods, vegan diet can be very healthy, and maybe even the healthiest diet, if done right.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian R</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Feb 2012 19:55:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Paleo Huntress: I thought someone would bring up the &quot;natural&quot; argument.  The issue here is health and that a vegan diet, done right, is way healthier than diets that involve meat and, especially, dairy.  The important thing is, we have the technology to not have to rely on meat or dairy.  If you&#039;re in Tibet maybe you can&#039;t do that but that&#039;s not the situation we&#039;re in in the West.  Plus, we use technology for everything.  I&#039;m not saying anything about what&#039;s natural.  That&#039;s a whole other can of worms especially when it comes to ethics and the Naturalistic Fallacy.

I&#039;m pointing out healthy vegan athletes to show that a vegan diet CAN be healthy and can even improve athletic performance.  There are UFC athletes like Jon Fitch and Frank Mir who attest to this as well.  

I&#039;m largely responding to claims that vegan diets are inherently dangerous and showing cases to disprove this claim.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Paleo Huntress: I thought someone would bring up the &#8220;natural&#8221; argument.  The issue here is health and that a vegan diet, done right, is way healthier than diets that involve meat and, especially, dairy.  The important thing is, we have the technology to not have to rely on meat or dairy.  If you&#8217;re in Tibet maybe you can&#8217;t do that but that&#8217;s not the situation we&#8217;re in in the West.  Plus, we use technology for everything.  I&#8217;m not saying anything about what&#8217;s natural.  That&#8217;s a whole other can of worms especially when it comes to ethics and the Naturalistic Fallacy.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m pointing out healthy vegan athletes to show that a vegan diet CAN be healthy and can even improve athletic performance.  There are UFC athletes like Jon Fitch and Frank Mir who attest to this as well.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m largely responding to claims that vegan diets are inherently dangerous and showing cases to disprove this claim.</p>
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