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	<title>Comments on: Weekend link-o-rama 2/21/09</title>
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		<title>By: Jared Bond</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jared Bond</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 07:48:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regarding the &quot;Baboon Business&quot; study, no one seems to have pointed out how ludicrous it is to be feeding baboons high cholesterol or fat in the first place.  For those who are not familiar, no plant foods contain cholesterol, and baboons are mostly herbivores.  It&#039;s like that study that fed rabbits cholesterol and then pointed out all the negative health effects.  (Well duh!)  But I suppose the researchers assumed that fat and cholesterol are as foreign a food for humans as they are for baboons and rabbits.

Just to be sure, I looked up baboons&#039; natural diet:

http://www.primatecare.com/odiet.htm
In the wild baboons eat leaves, blossoms, seeds, gum, pods from acacia trees, green grass, roots, flowers, herbs, bushes, roots and small animals.

http://content.karger.com/ProdukteDB/produkte.asp?Doi=156287
The habitat and plant feeding of 64 well-habituated, individually identified adult male and female yellow baboons was studied for 5 years at Mikumi National Park  ... Of the 50 most common grass, shrub and herb genera, 93% included plant foods.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding the &#8220;Baboon Business&#8221; study, no one seems to have pointed out how ludicrous it is to be feeding baboons high cholesterol or fat in the first place.  For those who are not familiar, no plant foods contain cholesterol, and baboons are mostly herbivores.  It&#8217;s like that study that fed rabbits cholesterol and then pointed out all the negative health effects.  (Well duh!)  But I suppose the researchers assumed that fat and cholesterol are as foreign a food for humans as they are for baboons and rabbits.</p>
<p>Just to be sure, I looked up baboons&#8217; natural diet:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.primatecare.com/odiet.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.primatecare.com/odiet.htm</a><br />
In the wild baboons eat leaves, blossoms, seeds, gum, pods from acacia trees, green grass, roots, flowers, herbs, bushes, roots and small animals.</p>
<p><a href="http://content.karger.com/ProdukteDB/produkte.asp?Doi=156287" rel="nofollow">http://content.karger.com/ProdukteDB/produkte.asp?Doi=156287</a><br />
The habitat and plant feeding of 64 well-habituated, individually identified adult male and female yellow baboons was studied for 5 years at Mikumi National Park  &#8230; Of the 50 most common grass, shrub and herb genera, 93% included plant foods.</p>
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		<title>By: Susan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Susan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 11:08:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for your hard work! I confess addiction to your blog, which is better than my previous addiction to Poilane bread, Brittany butter and dark chocolate.

I do research  myself but rely on you to make sense of conflicting or confusing nutritional information. I have been following your low carb way of eating for a few years now with great success so I weight what I should (hurrah). Occasionally, say three times a year or so, I fall off the wagon, go face down in carbs and gain a huge amount in just a week or two. I combat this weight gain with IF but wonder if this is wise. 

Could you please update your considered view on intermittant fasting? Hate to nag but you did promise....

Thank you,
Susan

&lt;em&gt;Coming soon, I promise.&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for your hard work! I confess addiction to your blog, which is better than my previous addiction to Poilane bread, Brittany butter and dark chocolate.</p>
<p>I do research  myself but rely on you to make sense of conflicting or confusing nutritional information. I have been following your low carb way of eating for a few years now with great success so I weight what I should (hurrah). Occasionally, say three times a year or so, I fall off the wagon, go face down in carbs and gain a huge amount in just a week or two. I combat this weight gain with IF but wonder if this is wise. </p>
<p>Could you please update your considered view on intermittant fasting? Hate to nag but you did promise&#8230;.</p>
<p>Thank you,<br />
Susan</p>
<p><em>Coming soon, I promise.</em></p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 20:20:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After contemplating LC and IF for a year or two, I&#039;ve embarked just this past week.  One meal a day, between approx 6-8pm.  Grass-fed buffalo or lamb, fish, eggs, butter, some other natural fats as well, maybe an oz or two of nuts/seeds; plus always an enormous 3-lb salad with tbsp olive oil and tbsp cider vinegar; no fruit for the moment but will add back in some LC fruit eventually.

I&#039;m 5&#039;10&quot; male, 147 lbs.  I&#039;d like to reach 130 lbs (would be a 29&quot; waist) and then try to put on a decent amount of muscle while keeping the boyish waistsize.  An analysis of the meal done on www.nutridiary.com (_very_ convenient website, IMHO) shows calories = ~1800; fat = 66%; protein = 19%, carbs = 15%.  total carbs = 70 and dietary fiber = 40.  Looks to me like I&#039;ve achieved saintliness regarding the 30 EC per day.  However, since it&#039;s all in one meal I&#039;m wondering if I&#039;m inadvertently somehow defeating the benefits of LC.

In other words, and here&#039;s the general question for you:   If a LC&#039;er gets down to 30 EC a day, but it&#039;s all in IF&#039;er&#039;s one meal a day, is that a problem?  I.e.  is the good ~30 EC per day somehow undone by the bad ~30 EC per meal?

Thanks.  Couldn&#039;t find a discussion of this in PP, PPL, or on the blog, but maybe I didn&#039;t search properly for it.

&lt;em&gt;I don&#039;t think it is a problem if you are IFing.  If you&#039;re losing and doing well, I wouldn&#039;t worry about it.&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After contemplating LC and IF for a year or two, I&#8217;ve embarked just this past week.  One meal a day, between approx 6-8pm.  Grass-fed buffalo or lamb, fish, eggs, butter, some other natural fats as well, maybe an oz or two of nuts/seeds; plus always an enormous 3-lb salad with tbsp olive oil and tbsp cider vinegar; no fruit for the moment but will add back in some LC fruit eventually.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m 5&#8242;10&#8243; male, 147 lbs.  I&#8217;d like to reach 130 lbs (would be a 29&#8243; waist) and then try to put on a decent amount of muscle while keeping the boyish waistsize.  An analysis of the meal done on <a href="http://www.nutridiary.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.nutridiary.com</a> (_very_ convenient website, IMHO) shows calories = ~1800; fat = 66%; protein = 19%, carbs = 15%.  total carbs = 70 and dietary fiber = 40.  Looks to me like I&#8217;ve achieved saintliness regarding the 30 EC per day.  However, since it&#8217;s all in one meal I&#8217;m wondering if I&#8217;m inadvertently somehow defeating the benefits of LC.</p>
<p>In other words, and here&#8217;s the general question for you:   If a LC&#8217;er gets down to 30 EC a day, but it&#8217;s all in IF&#8217;er&#8217;s one meal a day, is that a problem?  I.e.  is the good ~30 EC per day somehow undone by the bad ~30 EC per meal?</p>
<p>Thanks.  Couldn&#8217;t find a discussion of this in PP, PPL, or on the blog, but maybe I didn&#8217;t search properly for it.</p>
<p><em>I don&#8217;t think it is a problem if you are IFing.  If you&#8217;re losing and doing well, I wouldn&#8217;t worry about it.</em></p>
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		<title>By: Julie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Julie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 07:19:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I too found the article on food and sex interesting, although her model 50&#039;s housewife has...amnesia? I think the author must be a bit too young to remember that era firsthand, but she should have done a little arithmetic first.

If she&#039;s 30 in 1958, why would her parents have to tell her about the Depression? Seems like she&#039;d remember it just fine. That was her childhood. And wartime rationing--wasn&#039;t she a teenager?--and Victory gardens and the whole bit. One of the ways to survive privation is to learn to make preserved (canned, dried, etc.) foods palatable. The cooking Betty learned at her mother&#039;s side would have emphasized &quot;making do.&quot; And thanks to the sexual mores of the day, Betty is married. She most likely cooks whatever her husband likes best, saving her own favorites for lunches while he is at work. Food is not entirely lacking moral pressure: she nags her children to eat their (overcooked) vegetables, and her husband dutifully eats his &quot;to set a good example.&quot; If the old-country grandparents are still present, no doubt they complain that the children aren&#039;t eating enough, and press more food on them. (Mine certainly did.)

My mother is pretty close to &quot;Betty&#039;s&quot; age, and although I didn&#039;t arrive until &#039;59, I don&#039;t think things had changed much since 1949. Her family had survived the Depression with a garden and a milk cow (right in town!). We had fresh vegetables from our own garden in season, otherwise something from the store, which might be fresh, frozen or canned. (Fresh vegetables were not usually affordable out of season.) Generally the vegetables, fresh or not, were overcooked by today&#039;s standards. Potatoes were peeled every night, often before the rest of the meal was planned. There was often an iceberg-lettuce-and-tomato salad on the table. And we always drank milk with meals. In season, there might be homemade apple pie for dessert. Yes, the pie involved Crisco. But it&#039;s certainly not true that people then ate everything out of cans.

My nieces have no idea how to make apple pie. And low-carb means I&#039;m not making them very often. I think the art of apple pie is dying.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I too found the article on food and sex interesting, although her model 50&#8217;s housewife has&#8230;amnesia? I think the author must be a bit too young to remember that era firsthand, but she should have done a little arithmetic first.</p>
<p>If she&#8217;s 30 in 1958, why would her parents have to tell her about the Depression? Seems like she&#8217;d remember it just fine. That was her childhood. And wartime rationing&#8211;wasn&#8217;t she a teenager?&#8211;and Victory gardens and the whole bit. One of the ways to survive privation is to learn to make preserved (canned, dried, etc.) foods palatable. The cooking Betty learned at her mother&#8217;s side would have emphasized &#8220;making do.&#8221; And thanks to the sexual mores of the day, Betty is married. She most likely cooks whatever her husband likes best, saving her own favorites for lunches while he is at work. Food is not entirely lacking moral pressure: she nags her children to eat their (overcooked) vegetables, and her husband dutifully eats his &#8220;to set a good example.&#8221; If the old-country grandparents are still present, no doubt they complain that the children aren&#8217;t eating enough, and press more food on them. (Mine certainly did.)</p>
<p>My mother is pretty close to &#8220;Betty&#8217;s&#8221; age, and although I didn&#8217;t arrive until &#8216;59, I don&#8217;t think things had changed much since 1949. Her family had survived the Depression with a garden and a milk cow (right in town!). We had fresh vegetables from our own garden in season, otherwise something from the store, which might be fresh, frozen or canned. (Fresh vegetables were not usually affordable out of season.) Generally the vegetables, fresh or not, were overcooked by today&#8217;s standards. Potatoes were peeled every night, often before the rest of the meal was planned. There was often an iceberg-lettuce-and-tomato salad on the table. And we always drank milk with meals. In season, there might be homemade apple pie for dessert. Yes, the pie involved Crisco. But it&#8217;s certainly not true that people then ate everything out of cans.</p>
<p>My nieces have no idea how to make apple pie. And low-carb means I&#8217;m not making them very often. I think the art of apple pie is dying.</p>
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		<title>By: Larry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Larry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 03:57:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The &quot;Baboon business&quot; post/takedown is AWESOME.  Great job!!!  

Are there any books or articles that you&#039;d recommend to help become a more critical reader of these studies? You mention in a response above that you taught yourself how to do it, but was there anything that was particularly influential in the development of your skills?  Thanks

&lt;em&gt;I read a few basic books on statistics along the way (I don&#039;t remember which ones) to familiarize myself with the terminology.  I somehow escaped ever taking a statistics course in college, so my statistics is all self-taught.  I mainly just went through a bunch of medical papers that I thought had come to incorrect conclusions to see where the authors went wrong or tried to fudge their results.  By doing this enough, I ultimately taught myself what to look for.&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The &#8220;Baboon business&#8221; post/takedown is AWESOME.  Great job!!!  </p>
<p>Are there any books or articles that you&#8217;d recommend to help become a more critical reader of these studies? You mention in a response above that you taught yourself how to do it, but was there anything that was particularly influential in the development of your skills?  Thanks</p>
<p><em>I read a few basic books on statistics along the way (I don&#8217;t remember which ones) to familiarize myself with the terminology.  I somehow escaped ever taking a statistics course in college, so my statistics is all self-taught.  I mainly just went through a bunch of medical papers that I thought had come to incorrect conclusions to see where the authors went wrong or tried to fudge their results.  By doing this enough, I ultimately taught myself what to look for.</em></p>
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		<title>By: Trinkwasser</title>
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		<dc:creator>Trinkwasser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Mar 2009 18:52:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From Harvard Women’s Health Watch page 8:
“Some people have an inherited predisposition to high triglycerides. Other contributing factors are obesity, excessive alcohol use, a diet high in saturated fats, and various medical conditions, such as poorly controlled diabetes . . .”
“If there are medical reasons for your high triglycerides, you’ll need to work with your clinician to address them, possibly with medications. If not, concentrate on lifestyle strategies, including a diet that emphasizes whole grains, fruits, vegetables, and healthy fats.”

How’s that for the latest medical information?

Judas F Priest!!!

Replacing the carbs with fats decimated my trigs, and I mean that literally.

Do these people breed??? If so they should be stopped immediately

&lt;em&gt;Indeed they should be stopped.  What a bunch of twaddle.  Saturated fats have nothing to do with driving up triglycerides.&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From Harvard Women’s Health Watch page 8:<br />
“Some people have an inherited predisposition to high triglycerides. Other contributing factors are obesity, excessive alcohol use, a diet high in saturated fats, and various medical conditions, such as poorly controlled diabetes . . .”<br />
“If there are medical reasons for your high triglycerides, you’ll need to work with your clinician to address them, possibly with medications. If not, concentrate on lifestyle strategies, including a diet that emphasizes whole grains, fruits, vegetables, and healthy fats.”</p>
<p>How’s that for the latest medical information?</p>
<p>Judas F Priest!!!</p>
<p>Replacing the carbs with fats decimated my trigs, and I mean that literally.</p>
<p>Do these people breed??? If so they should be stopped immediately</p>
<p><em>Indeed they should be stopped.  What a bunch of twaddle.  Saturated fats have nothing to do with driving up triglycerides.</em></p>
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		<title>By: William Trumbower  MD</title>
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		<dc:creator>William Trumbower  MD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Feb 2009 19:45:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dr. Eades       This may be unrelated to the topic, but what do you think of the hype about the new &quot;research&quot; concerning lasofoxifene.  The numbers in the media sound so good that I am very suspicious.  I tried to find a copy of the entire study on line, but was unable to get it.  I would appreciate your comments.

&lt;em&gt;I guess I&#039;m not aware of any new studies.  Last I heard, this drug had been hammered by the FDA.&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr. Eades       This may be unrelated to the topic, but what do you think of the hype about the new &#8220;research&#8221; concerning lasofoxifene.  The numbers in the media sound so good that I am very suspicious.  I tried to find a copy of the entire study on line, but was unable to get it.  I would appreciate your comments.</p>
<p><em>I guess I&#8217;m not aware of any new studies.  Last I heard, this drug had been hammered by the FDA.</em></p>
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		<title>By: Carlos</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carlos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Feb 2009 00:14:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On more unexplored data point on IF that might be worth looking at is the way zoos intermittently fast their carnivores to maintain them in optimal health. Lions, tigers, et al, and typically fed one meal a day, then not fed at all one or two days a week. So a total of 5 or 6 meals per week.

I&#039;ve been zero carb and IF (all meat diet) eating one meal a day for the past five months, and lost 60 pounds that way. But I stalled out last month, did the math and realized that even eating once a day I was exceeding my BMR by about 50% calorically (the joy of fatty 2.5 pound ribeyes). Rather than cut back on the size of my meals I elected to try the lions-and-tigers IF method above. Dropping two eating days a week still kept the weekly calories just above my total weekly BMR. Thus far, eating five meals a week and fasting on Mondays and Fridays has broken my stall and gotten the weight loss rolling again.

I know my example is anecdotal, but the feeding of lions and tigers is an established practice and you may be able to find references that I can&#039;t get to.

Additionally, back when you posted your request for article requests, I didn&#039;t think to ask for you to do an article on the benefits/nutrition of the all meat diet. You often mention it as the best stall breaker, but all meat is something that I&#039;ve never seen you go into in depth here or in your PPLP.

&lt;em&gt;No, I haven&#039;t written a post yet on an all-meat diet.  I&#039;ve got one twirling around in my head, but I haven&#039;t committed it to electrons yet.  I will post on the subject at some point, but it seems like there is always some new form of idiocy that needs to be addressed on a more timely basis, so I never get to the all-meat diet post.  If the media would only learn to read these studies critically and quit giving coverage to them, then I could devote my time to more valuable subjects rather than trying to do what the media should have done in the first place.&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On more unexplored data point on IF that might be worth looking at is the way zoos intermittently fast their carnivores to maintain them in optimal health. Lions, tigers, et al, and typically fed one meal a day, then not fed at all one or two days a week. So a total of 5 or 6 meals per week.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been zero carb and IF (all meat diet) eating one meal a day for the past five months, and lost 60 pounds that way. But I stalled out last month, did the math and realized that even eating once a day I was exceeding my BMR by about 50% calorically (the joy of fatty 2.5 pound ribeyes). Rather than cut back on the size of my meals I elected to try the lions-and-tigers IF method above. Dropping two eating days a week still kept the weekly calories just above my total weekly BMR. Thus far, eating five meals a week and fasting on Mondays and Fridays has broken my stall and gotten the weight loss rolling again.</p>
<p>I know my example is anecdotal, but the feeding of lions and tigers is an established practice and you may be able to find references that I can&#8217;t get to.</p>
<p>Additionally, back when you posted your request for article requests, I didn&#8217;t think to ask for you to do an article on the benefits/nutrition of the all meat diet. You often mention it as the best stall breaker, but all meat is something that I&#8217;ve never seen you go into in depth here or in your PPLP.</p>
<p><em>No, I haven&#8217;t written a post yet on an all-meat diet.  I&#8217;ve got one twirling around in my head, but I haven&#8217;t committed it to electrons yet.  I will post on the subject at some point, but it seems like there is always some new form of idiocy that needs to be addressed on a more timely basis, so I never get to the all-meat diet post.  If the media would only learn to read these studies critically and quit giving coverage to them, then I could devote my time to more valuable subjects rather than trying to do what the media should have done in the first place.</em></p>
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		<title>By: Walter Norris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Walter Norris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 21:46:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You were the one who made it clear to me about the difference between ketosis and ketoacidosis and that there was only a saftey issue with type one diabetics and gave me the courage to go zero carb back in July, but your explanation above is just brilliant.  It makes the entire issue really clear.  I only thought I understood it before.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You were the one who made it clear to me about the difference between ketosis and ketoacidosis and that there was only a saftey issue with type one diabetics and gave me the courage to go zero carb back in July, but your explanation above is just brilliant.  It makes the entire issue really clear.  I only thought I understood it before.</p>
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		<title>By: Todd</title>
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		<dc:creator>Todd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 21:17:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>More on the Pounds Lost study:

Wow, did that story ever get picked up by the media. They ate it up; had a picnic with it; devoured it like piranhas; had a feeding frenzy; so to speak. The message the media presented was  &#039;all those wacky diets people try don&#039;t really make any difference&#039;. I suppose one could turn that on its face and say the low fat diet isn&#039;t any better for weight loss than any other diet. 

And of course, their low carb diet wasn&#039;t what you or I would consider low carb.

Or in a more positive light, it could mean they (mainstream) are beginning to develop a face-saving path to a future low carb sanity. Nah, that&#039;s too rosey a picture methinks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More on the Pounds Lost study:</p>
<p>Wow, did that story ever get picked up by the media. They ate it up; had a picnic with it; devoured it like piranhas; had a feeding frenzy; so to speak. The message the media presented was  &#8216;all those wacky diets people try don&#8217;t really make any difference&#8217;. I suppose one could turn that on its face and say the low fat diet isn&#8217;t any better for weight loss than any other diet. </p>
<p>And of course, their low carb diet wasn&#8217;t what you or I would consider low carb.</p>
<p>Or in a more positive light, it could mean they (mainstream) are beginning to develop a face-saving path to a future low carb sanity. Nah, that&#8217;s too rosey a picture methinks.</p>
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