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		<title>By: gallier2</title>
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		<dc:creator>gallier2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2008 21:49:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Larded beef meat is still very common in France and I once saw the butcher actually doing the &quot;bardage&quot;, it&#039;s quite impressing the skill needed. Tournedos are also &quot;bardés&quot;.
As for the spelling, I didn&#039;t want to appear to be a spelling nazi, but will offer correction for french or german (I&#039;m bilingual) when it is too bad.
On another note, have you read the hyperlipid blog of an Englishman named Peter?
http://high-fat-nutrition.blogspot.com/

He makes some quite interesting points, especially concerning fat metabolism. Especially the part about what he calls fiaf, the influence of gut bacteria on fat storage, fascinating.

&lt;em&gt;Hey gallier2--

Sounds to me since you also speak and write English that you are trilingual.  Feel free to correct any spelling in any language.

Hadn&#039;t read the hyperlipid blog.  Looks interesting, at least what I looked over.  Thanks for the link.  It&#039;s just what I need: something else to read.

Cheers--

MRE&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Larded beef meat is still very common in France and I once saw the butcher actually doing the &#8220;bardage&#8221;, it&#8217;s quite impressing the skill needed. Tournedos are also &#8220;bardés&#8221;.<br />
As for the spelling, I didn&#8217;t want to appear to be a spelling nazi, but will offer correction for french or german (I&#8217;m bilingual) when it is too bad.<br />
On another note, have you read the hyperlipid blog of an Englishman named Peter?<br />
<a href="http://high-fat-nutrition.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://high-fat-nutrition.blogspot.com/</a></p>
<p>He makes some quite interesting points, especially concerning fat metabolism. Especially the part about what he calls fiaf, the influence of gut bacteria on fat storage, fascinating.</p>
<p><em>Hey gallier2&#8211;</p>
<p>Sounds to me since you also speak and write English that you are trilingual.  Feel free to correct any spelling in any language.</p>
<p>Hadn&#8217;t read the hyperlipid blog.  Looks interesting, at least what I looked over.  Thanks for the link.  It&#8217;s just what I need: something else to read.</p>
<p>Cheers&#8211;</p>
<p>MRE</em></p>
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		<title>By: EB</title>
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		<dc:creator>EB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 22:41:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Has anyone ever looked into how orphaned baby birds are raised? Wildlife rehabbers regularly feed baby birds with a tube into the crop. That&#039;s how parent birds feed their young! They put the food directly into the crop!

I myself raised an orphaned baby goldfinch to adulthood. When he was two weeks old, I fed him with an eyedropper in the mouth, which is dangerous and could lead to pneumonia. I didn&#039;t have experience or the proper pipettes- however, all the literature I read on the subject told me that handfed baby birds are generally fed in that manner, with a tube (or pipette) down their throat directly into the crop. (This isn&#039;t recommended for people who are not professionals because there is a danger of aspirating the baby if you accidentally miss the crop and get the food into their lungs.)

The babies are grateful for the food and beg for more by flapping their wings and peeping and opening their mouths!

&lt;em&gt;Excellent point!  Thanks for the comment.

Cheers--

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Has anyone ever looked into how orphaned baby birds are raised? Wildlife rehabbers regularly feed baby birds with a tube into the crop. That&#8217;s how parent birds feed their young! They put the food directly into the crop!</p>
<p>I myself raised an orphaned baby goldfinch to adulthood. When he was two weeks old, I fed him with an eyedropper in the mouth, which is dangerous and could lead to pneumonia. I didn&#8217;t have experience or the proper pipettes- however, all the literature I read on the subject told me that handfed baby birds are generally fed in that manner, with a tube (or pipette) down their throat directly into the crop. (This isn&#8217;t recommended for people who are not professionals because there is a danger of aspirating the baby if you accidentally miss the crop and get the food into their lungs.)</p>
<p>The babies are grateful for the food and beg for more by flapping their wings and peeping and opening their mouths!</p>
<p><em>Excellent point!  Thanks for the comment.</p>
<p>Cheers&#8211;</p>
<p>MRE</em></p>
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		<title>By: Bob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 20:30:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Apologies on the spelling, I think I got it started wrong to begin with. I didn&#039;t have the book handy and the only languages I&#039;ve studied are German and a little Japanese and Koine Greek. (I&#039;m sure the French would be THRILLED to know that I pronounce their language with decidedly GERMAN pronunciations).

I should have guessed that the Les Halles Cook Book would already be part of the Eades&#039; culinary references. You may also already have Jacques Pepin&#039;s &#039;Complete Techniques,&#039; which is another one of my favorites (I&#039;m a huge Alton Brown fan, too). In Pepin&#039;s book, he has a section for &#039;larding&#039; meats, where they&#039;d take strips of lard and basically &#039;sew&#039; them into larger roasts. Of course he has the usual caveat about that no longer being common due to low-fat and health concerns, but he includes it for &#039;completeness.&#039; Have you or MD ever tried that? How did it turn out? I&#039;m thinking it might be a good option for free-range, grass-fed beef which doesn&#039;t tend to have the &#039;marbling&#039; that grain/corn fed beef does.

Of course, using lard may not be any better than eating well marbled corn fed beef, either. I don&#039;t know.

&lt;em&gt;Hey Bob--

MD and I have not tried the larding technique, although we do ow Pepin&#039;s book.  I&#039;ll have to exert my husbandly prerogative and encourage her to give it a try.  It sounds delicious.

As far as Pepin including it only for completeness sake, I&#039;m sure that was the compromise he came to with his publisher.
Cheers--

MRE&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apologies on the spelling, I think I got it started wrong to begin with. I didn&#8217;t have the book handy and the only languages I&#8217;ve studied are German and a little Japanese and Koine Greek. (I&#8217;m sure the French would be THRILLED to know that I pronounce their language with decidedly GERMAN pronunciations).</p>
<p>I should have guessed that the Les Halles Cook Book would already be part of the Eades&#8217; culinary references. You may also already have Jacques Pepin&#8217;s &#8216;Complete Techniques,&#8217; which is another one of my favorites (I&#8217;m a huge Alton Brown fan, too). In Pepin&#8217;s book, he has a section for &#8216;larding&#8217; meats, where they&#8217;d take strips of lard and basically &#8216;sew&#8217; them into larger roasts. Of course he has the usual caveat about that no longer being common due to low-fat and health concerns, but he includes it for &#8216;completeness.&#8217; Have you or MD ever tried that? How did it turn out? I&#8217;m thinking it might be a good option for free-range, grass-fed beef which doesn&#8217;t tend to have the &#8216;marbling&#8217; that grain/corn fed beef does.</p>
<p>Of course, using lard may not be any better than eating well marbled corn fed beef, either. I don&#8217;t know.</p>
<p><em>Hey Bob&#8211;</p>
<p>MD and I have not tried the larding technique, although we do ow Pepin&#8217;s book.  I&#8217;ll have to exert my husbandly prerogative and encourage her to give it a try.  It sounds delicious.</p>
<p>As far as Pepin including it only for completeness sake, I&#8217;m sure that was the compromise he came to with his publisher.<br />
Cheers&#8211;</p>
<p>MRE</em></p>
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		<title>By: gallier2</title>
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		<dc:creator>gallier2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 14:10:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Only nitpicking: it&#039;s &quot;côte de boeuf&quot;   (the e after the o). If it is written differently in the book, then it is him who is wrong.

&lt;em&gt;He was right; I was wrong.

Cheers--

MRE&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Only nitpicking: it&#8217;s &#8220;côte de boeuf&#8221;   (the e after the o). If it is written differently in the book, then it is him who is wrong.</p>
<p><em>He was right; I was wrong.</p>
<p>Cheers&#8211;</p>
<p>MRE</em></p>
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		<title>By: Bob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 18:37:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You really should check out some of Anthony Bourdain&#039;s books. I have his &quot;Les Halles Cook Book.&quot; Just read the introduction section or two next time you&#039;re in a bookstore to get some of the flavor for it. The language might be a bit strong for Mary-Dan, though. I&#039;ve never seen the &#039;F-bomb&#039; used so much in a cookbook! ;-)

He&#039;s not a strict low-carb advocate by any means, but he&#039;s a BIG supporter of how people &#039;used&#039; to eat (As in past centuries), meaning A LOT of animal products, using just about every SCRAP of the animal, organ meats, fat, using the bones for stock, etc. He even has recipes for veal and foi-gras, with some commentary about his take on animal cruelty (Something like, &#039;I&#039;m generally against animal cruelty, but if I tasted that good after being locked up in a pen most of my life, I couldn&#039;t blame you for trying...&#039;).

I might have quoted the book in a previous post. I remember something you&#039;d posted before making me look up his section on &#039;Pig,&#039; probably something to the effect of &#039;a highly intelligent animal died so you could have bacon, so make sure to enjoy it&#039; or something along those lines.

And read through his recipe for &#039;Cote De Bouef&#039; for his opinions on certain government recommendations, too (See previous comment about his use of the &#039;F-word&#039;).

&lt;em&gt;Hey Bob--

Bourdain&#039;s &#039;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/gp/redirect.html?ie=UTF8&amp;location=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.amazon.com%2FAnthony-Bourdains-Halles-Cookbook-Strategies%2Fdp%2F158234180X%3Fie%3DUTF8%26s%3Dbooks%26qid%3D1199905060%26sr%3D1-2&amp;tag=proteinpowerc-20&amp;linkCode=ur2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=9325&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Les Halles Cook Book&lt;/a&gt;&#039; is one of MD&#039;s favorites.  And his recipe for Cote de Bouef is at the top of the list.  I love the thought of bringing great bloody chunks of meat to the table.  We both love his irreverence, which we find really refreshing in a cookbook.  In the midst of her own cooking misadventures MD has been known to utter the &#039;F-bomb&#039; herself.

And we love Les Halles in NY.  We go there every chance we get.  The steak tartare is unbelievable.  Not to be missed.

Cheers--

MRE&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You really should check out some of Anthony Bourdain&#8217;s books. I have his &#8220;Les Halles Cook Book.&#8221; Just read the introduction section or two next time you&#8217;re in a bookstore to get some of the flavor for it. The language might be a bit strong for Mary-Dan, though. I&#8217;ve never seen the &#8216;F-bomb&#8217; used so much in a cookbook! <img src='http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>He&#8217;s not a strict low-carb advocate by any means, but he&#8217;s a BIG supporter of how people &#8216;used&#8217; to eat (As in past centuries), meaning A LOT of animal products, using just about every SCRAP of the animal, organ meats, fat, using the bones for stock, etc. He even has recipes for veal and foi-gras, with some commentary about his take on animal cruelty (Something like, &#8216;I&#8217;m generally against animal cruelty, but if I tasted that good after being locked up in a pen most of my life, I couldn&#8217;t blame you for trying&#8230;&#8217;).</p>
<p>I might have quoted the book in a previous post. I remember something you&#8217;d posted before making me look up his section on &#8216;Pig,&#8217; probably something to the effect of &#8216;a highly intelligent animal died so you could have bacon, so make sure to enjoy it&#8217; or something along those lines.</p>
<p>And read through his recipe for &#8216;Cote De Bouef&#8217; for his opinions on certain government recommendations, too (See previous comment about his use of the &#8216;F-word&#8217;).</p>
<p><em>Hey Bob&#8211;</p>
<p>Bourdain&#8217;s &#8216;<a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/redirect.html?ie=UTF8&#038;location=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.amazon.com%2FAnthony-Bourdains-Halles-Cookbook-Strategies%2Fdp%2F158234180X%3Fie%3DUTF8%26s%3Dbooks%26qid%3D1199905060%26sr%3D1-2&#038;tag=proteinpowerc-20&#038;linkCode=ur2&#038;camp=1789&#038;creative=9325" rel="nofollow">Les Halles Cook Book</a>&#8216; is one of MD&#8217;s favorites.  And his recipe for Cote de Bouef is at the top of the list.  I love the thought of bringing great bloody chunks of meat to the table.  We both love his irreverence, which we find really refreshing in a cookbook.  In the midst of her own cooking misadventures MD has been known to utter the &#8216;F-bomb&#8217; herself.</p>
<p>And we love Les Halles in NY.  We go there every chance we get.  The steak tartare is unbelievable.  Not to be missed.</p>
<p>Cheers&#8211;</p>
<p>MRE</em></p>
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		<title>By: Laura (paleo_huntress)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laura (paleo_huntress)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 17:23:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dr. Mike,

My apologies to MD- I confused the segment you posted from her blog with the one beneath it from Michael Pollan- &quot;But do we have any reason to believe that feeding ducks and geese corn through tubes put down their throats is any more brutal than snipping off tails and beaks?&quot; My point was that the fact that it&#039;s no MORE brutal doesn&#039;t mean it&#039;s OK. The &quot;two wrongs&quot; argument, etc.

I can&#039;t help but wonder.. if this video was made to assuage the fears that animal lovers have about foie gras, wouldn&#039;t it make sense to show their time outdoors on film? Most animal rights people consider this a very important part of an animal&#039;s life.  We saw everyone else out in the sunshine, just not the ducks.

I love your blog, and thank you for the personal response. That&#039;s something Dr. Joseph Mercola NEVER manages.

-Laura

&lt;em&gt;Hi Laura--

I&#039;ll pass your apology on.

I wondered why they didn&#039;t show the ducks outdoors more in the video myself.  They do on other stuff I&#039;ve seen.  Maybe it was a matter of time constraints.

Cheers--
MRE&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr. Mike,</p>
<p>My apologies to MD- I confused the segment you posted from her blog with the one beneath it from Michael Pollan- &#8220;But do we have any reason to believe that feeding ducks and geese corn through tubes put down their throats is any more brutal than snipping off tails and beaks?&#8221; My point was that the fact that it&#8217;s no MORE brutal doesn&#8217;t mean it&#8217;s OK. The &#8220;two wrongs&#8221; argument, etc.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t help but wonder.. if this video was made to assuage the fears that animal lovers have about foie gras, wouldn&#8217;t it make sense to show their time outdoors on film? Most animal rights people consider this a very important part of an animal&#8217;s life.  We saw everyone else out in the sunshine, just not the ducks.</p>
<p>I love your blog, and thank you for the personal response. That&#8217;s something Dr. Joseph Mercola NEVER manages.</p>
<p>-Laura</p>
<p><em>Hi Laura&#8211;</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll pass your apology on.</p>
<p>I wondered why they didn&#8217;t show the ducks outdoors more in the video myself.  They do on other stuff I&#8217;ve seen.  Maybe it was a matter of time constraints.</p>
<p>Cheers&#8211;<br />
MRE</em></p>
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		<title>By: Lizzie Vonhurst</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lizzie Vonhurst</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 17:32:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for a great compilation of the viewpoints supporting foie gras production. The process has been studied by independent scientists and veterenarians and has been found to be humane. The process does not cause fear, anxiety, pain or disease in the animals, as many animal rights propagandists would have us all believe. To learn more about the animal welfare aspects of foie gras production, check out the links at http://legalfoiegras.blogspot.com/ . 

The video posted is a welcome breath of fresh air in the face of all the anti-foie films out there. Some call those other videos &quot;animal snuff films,&quot; and with good reason. It is clear that many have been overly edited and do not represent actual foie gras farming. To learn more about how these videos have been made recently and historically, check out http://www.furcommission.com/news/newsC7.htm .

&lt;em&gt;Hi Lizzie--

Thanks for the links, especially the last one.  It&#039;s amazing to what cruel lengths anti-cruelty types will go to in an effort to spread their propaganda.  Simply stunning.

Best--

MRE&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for a great compilation of the viewpoints supporting foie gras production. The process has been studied by independent scientists and veterenarians and has been found to be humane. The process does not cause fear, anxiety, pain or disease in the animals, as many animal rights propagandists would have us all believe. To learn more about the animal welfare aspects of foie gras production, check out the links at <a href="http://legalfoiegras.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://legalfoiegras.blogspot.com/</a> . </p>
<p>The video posted is a welcome breath of fresh air in the face of all the anti-foie films out there. Some call those other videos &#8220;animal snuff films,&#8221; and with good reason. It is clear that many have been overly edited and do not represent actual foie gras farming. To learn more about how these videos have been made recently and historically, check out <a href="http://www.furcommission.com/news/newsC7.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.furcommission.com/news/newsC7.htm</a> .</p>
<p><em>Hi Lizzie&#8211;</p>
<p>Thanks for the links, especially the last one.  It&#8217;s amazing to what cruel lengths anti-cruelty types will go to in an effort to spread their propaganda.  Simply stunning.</p>
<p>Best&#8211;</p>
<p>MRE</em></p>
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		<title>By: Laura (paleo_huntress)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laura (paleo_huntress)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 12:29:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps I&#039;ll be the only one to notice this- but as I already buy free-roaming animals from organic sources for this reason, it is glaringly obvious to me. Not once did I see any of these ducks outside- no sun on their bodies, no earth or water beneath their feet. This blog seems dedicated to helping folks eat the diet that is best for humans- but it is disgusting to do so at the cost of the animal&#039;s natural diet and living conditions. Of course the ducks don&#039;t look unhappy.. they&#039;ve never known anything else. And certainly if it came down to a choice between my good health and theirs, I think people should come first. But it doesn&#039;t. I can be perfectly healthy eating duck that led a healthy, free-roaming life. Fois gras is a luxury food- and it&#039;s production is insidiously simple, and the fact that MD would suggest it is benign and then compare it other disgusting factory farming practices is extremely disappointing.

&lt;em&gt;Hi Laura--

I don&#039;t believe that the ducks are trapped inside from birth.  I&#039;ve seen many photos of this particular operation (Hudson Valley FG), and the ducks are running around outside.  They are brought in for the gavage, which is when they were shown on the video.  That doesn&#039;t mean they are inside all the time.  The video of me making Cafe Americano was shot in my kitchen, but that certainly doesn&#039;t mean I spend all my time there.  and I certainly don&#039;t think that because I (and MD) don&#039;t have a problem with ducks being raised humanely for fois gras that were advocates of factory farming.  There is a world of difference between a factory farm and the Nudson Valley FG operation.  Anyone who doesn&#039;t believe that is obviously unaware of the difference between the two.

Cheers--

MRE

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps I&#8217;ll be the only one to notice this- but as I already buy free-roaming animals from organic sources for this reason, it is glaringly obvious to me. Not once did I see any of these ducks outside- no sun on their bodies, no earth or water beneath their feet. This blog seems dedicated to helping folks eat the diet that is best for humans- but it is disgusting to do so at the cost of the animal&#8217;s natural diet and living conditions. Of course the ducks don&#8217;t look unhappy.. they&#8217;ve never known anything else. And certainly if it came down to a choice between my good health and theirs, I think people should come first. But it doesn&#8217;t. I can be perfectly healthy eating duck that led a healthy, free-roaming life. Fois gras is a luxury food- and it&#8217;s production is insidiously simple, and the fact that MD would suggest it is benign and then compare it other disgusting factory farming practices is extremely disappointing.</p>
<p><em>Hi Laura&#8211;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t believe that the ducks are trapped inside from birth.  I&#8217;ve seen many photos of this particular operation (Hudson Valley FG), and the ducks are running around outside.  They are brought in for the gavage, which is when they were shown on the video.  That doesn&#8217;t mean they are inside all the time.  The video of me making Cafe Americano was shot in my kitchen, but that certainly doesn&#8217;t mean I spend all my time there.  and I certainly don&#8217;t think that because I (and MD) don&#8217;t have a problem with ducks being raised humanely for fois gras that were advocates of factory farming.  There is a world of difference between a factory farm and the Nudson Valley FG operation.  Anyone who doesn&#8217;t believe that is obviously unaware of the difference between the two.</p>
<p>Cheers&#8211;</p>
<p>MRE</p>
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