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		<title>By: Psyllium - Page 2 - Atkins Diet</title>
		<link>http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/fast-food/meat-and-mortality/#comment-242935</link>
		<dc:creator>Psyllium - Page 2 - Atkins Diet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Feb 2010 16:01:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] even more important is what they ignore... good post on this topic i read yesterday randomly:  Meat and mortality &#124; The Blog of Michael R. Eades, M.D.  2) the other thing that can happen is authors put something in the &#039;abstract&#039; that really doesn&#039;t [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] even more important is what they ignore&#8230; good post on this topic i read yesterday randomly:  Meat and mortality | The Blog of Michael R. Eades, M.D.  2) the other thing that can happen is authors put something in the &#39;abstract&#39; that really doesn&#39;t [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Wayne</title>
		<link>http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/fast-food/meat-and-mortality/#comment-242189</link>
		<dc:creator>Wayne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jan 2010 10:20:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Media journalists have to sell the hype and alot of times they fudge the facts. Spot on for calling them out and revealing the true results of the study.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Media journalists have to sell the hype and alot of times they fudge the facts. Spot on for calling them out and revealing the true results of the study.</p>
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		<title>By: How To Follow a Low-Carb or &#8220;Paleo&#8221; Lifestyle &#171; Military Family, Food, &#38; Fitness Fenestrations</title>
		<link>http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/fast-food/meat-and-mortality/#comment-241444</link>
		<dc:creator>How To Follow a Low-Carb or &#8220;Paleo&#8221; Lifestyle &#171; Military Family, Food, &#38; Fitness Fenestrations</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 07:02:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] trip&#8230;). Eat the skin of chicken and all the melt-in-your-mouth fat found on other meats. Meat is health food (another Dr. Eades [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] trip&#8230;). Eat the skin of chicken and all the melt-in-your-mouth fat found on other meats. Meat is health food (another Dr. Eades [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Dale</title>
		<link>http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/fast-food/meat-and-mortality/#comment-226059</link>
		<dc:creator>Dale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 16:47:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LEF also recommends a high carb diet for diabetics!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LEF also recommends a high carb diet for diabetics!</p>
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		<title>By: kris</title>
		<link>http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/fast-food/meat-and-mortality/#comment-212573</link>
		<dc:creator>kris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 15:34:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is a tv show out there called &quot;The Doctors&quot;. They recently featured a segment on red meat, claiming it caused everything from cancer to heart disease. They recommended eating no more than 3oz of only very lean beef daily. One of the docs claimed his father attributed his acquired colon cancer to eating red meat and has not touched it since. I believe he is an also an MD. Most the MDs on the show are rather young. Now we have to wait for these guys to die off? I haven&#039;t got that much time.  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a tv show out there called &#8220;The Doctors&#8221;. They recently featured a segment on red meat, claiming it caused everything from cancer to heart disease. They recommended eating no more than 3oz of only very lean beef daily. One of the docs claimed his father attributed his acquired colon cancer to eating red meat and has not touched it since. I believe he is an also an MD. Most the MDs on the show are rather young. Now we have to wait for these guys to die off? I haven&#8217;t got that much time.  <img src='http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Joe Matasic</title>
		<link>http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/fast-food/meat-and-mortality/#comment-210605</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe Matasic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 19:05:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dr. Eades,

I downloaded the article by Layman you linked to and read it.  I&#039;m wondering how this will mesh with IF?  Especially regarding IF and strength training (and diet w/ regard to recovery).  Eagerly awaiting you&#039;re post on IF when you get around to it.  I thought you said were going to do a post on it and you were leaning towards it again.

Thanks for all you do again.
Joe</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr. Eades,</p>
<p>I downloaded the article by Layman you linked to and read it.  I&#8217;m wondering how this will mesh with IF?  Especially regarding IF and strength training (and diet w/ regard to recovery).  Eagerly awaiting you&#8217;re post on IF when you get around to it.  I thought you said were going to do a post on it and you were leaning towards it again.</p>
<p>Thanks for all you do again.<br />
Joe</p>
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		<title>By: Lyn P</title>
		<link>http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/fast-food/meat-and-mortality/#comment-210433</link>
		<dc:creator>Lyn P</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 01:34:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Anna, I&#039;ve been a fan of sat fat for yrs (enig et al, re coconut oil esp), I ignored all that whole grain nonsense and tried to find specifics for the Irvingia gabonensis extract.  If it produces these effects in those consuming a low carb diet, then it&#039;s something to seriously consider.  But, I can&#039;t tell from what I&#039;ve read on the net; the LEF article seems the most comprehensive BUT it states ya gotta be eating lots of carbs...just plain insane.  But, maybe if ya eat high carb, then this extract ameliorates the biochemical derangement that &#039;diet&#039; causes.  My question remains:  does it have these effects when combined with a low-carb diet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Anna, I&#8217;ve been a fan of sat fat for yrs (enig et al, re coconut oil esp), I ignored all that whole grain nonsense and tried to find specifics for the Irvingia gabonensis extract.  If it produces these effects in those consuming a low carb diet, then it&#8217;s something to seriously consider.  But, I can&#8217;t tell from what I&#8217;ve read on the net; the LEF article seems the most comprehensive BUT it states ya gotta be eating lots of carbs&#8230;just plain insane.  But, maybe if ya eat high carb, then this extract ameliorates the biochemical derangement that &#8216;diet&#8217; causes.  My question remains:  does it have these effects when combined with a low-carb diet.</p>
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		<title>By: Marilyn</title>
		<link>http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/fast-food/meat-and-mortality/#comment-210158</link>
		<dc:creator>Marilyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Apr 2009 18:55:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On the subject of meat—have you seen Jennifer McLagan&#039;s beautiful new book titled simply &quot;Fat&quot;?  Most recipes aren&#039;t low-carb, but lots of interesting information.

&lt;em&gt;Yes, we own the book.  It is beautifully done.&lt;/em&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the subject of meat—have you seen Jennifer McLagan&#8217;s beautiful new book titled simply &#8220;Fat&#8221;?  Most recipes aren&#8217;t low-carb, but lots of interesting information.</p>
<p><em>Yes, we own the book.  It is beautifully done.</em></p>
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		<title>By: Anna</title>
		<link>http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/fast-food/meat-and-mortality/#comment-209887</link>
		<dc:creator>Anna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2009 14:12:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lyn,
The first paragraph of that article you linked to stopped me cold.  It was completely false, so I didn&#039;t bother reading the rest.  

The American diet actually isn&#039;t too high in saturated fat (in fact, saturated fat intake has gone down over the past 40+ years or so.  Furthermore it says that American&#039;s don&#039;t get enough complex carbohydrates.  What?!  If anything, we get too many complex carbohydrates, hence the world of hurt we&#039;re in, health-wise.  

Not enough fiber in the American diet?  That premise is a flawed one, based on misguided observations, by people like Denis Burkett, a British physician, who missed the boat in his observations that people eating native diets in other parts of the world didn&#039;t have GI disease rates that westernized countries had (they also squat to eliminate instead of sitting unnaturally on toilets, ferment many of their high fiber foods to increase digestibility, and in many cases, remove fiber if they can, to make the nutrients more absorbable and less likely to bind up minerals).  It&#039;s comparing apple to oranges to look at fiber rates in Africa and the US and come up with a meaningful comparison.  There are too many other variables to consider.

Some  big epidemiological studies might support the fiber theory, but intervention studies (when study subjects increased fiber and outcomes were compared to control subjects who did not) have not provided ANY support for the fiber theory.  It&#039;s also possible to tease out from some data that fiber from grains actually do more harm than good (the body works hard to get rid of toxic harsh grain fiber, hence the &quot;movement&quot;), but TBTB haven&#039;t seriously considered that option enough to actually study it in depth, because everyone *knows* wheat bran is good for us, right?  

Personally, my GI function improved tremendously when I dropped all sources of grain fiber and fiber supplements.  Now I just get whatever fiber is in my non-starchy veggies and some fruit and would never go back to seeking fiber in my diet.  I&#039;m learning that the science actually supports what I&#039;ve noticed myself, too.

In addition to the posts and comments on this blog, that I interpret as strongly stating that saturated fat consumption in the US is not &quot;too high&quot;, nor fiber intake &quot;too low&quot;, there are some good scientifically oriented posts on fat and fiber over at Whole Health Source and Hyperlipid blogs.   Fiber, it&#039;s not all it&#039;s cracked up to be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lyn,<br />
The first paragraph of that article you linked to stopped me cold.  It was completely false, so I didn&#8217;t bother reading the rest.  </p>
<p>The American diet actually isn&#8217;t too high in saturated fat (in fact, saturated fat intake has gone down over the past 40+ years or so.  Furthermore it says that American&#8217;s don&#8217;t get enough complex carbohydrates.  What?!  If anything, we get too many complex carbohydrates, hence the world of hurt we&#8217;re in, health-wise.  </p>
<p>Not enough fiber in the American diet?  That premise is a flawed one, based on misguided observations, by people like Denis Burkett, a British physician, who missed the boat in his observations that people eating native diets in other parts of the world didn&#8217;t have GI disease rates that westernized countries had (they also squat to eliminate instead of sitting unnaturally on toilets, ferment many of their high fiber foods to increase digestibility, and in many cases, remove fiber if they can, to make the nutrients more absorbable and less likely to bind up minerals).  It&#8217;s comparing apple to oranges to look at fiber rates in Africa and the US and come up with a meaningful comparison.  There are too many other variables to consider.</p>
<p>Some  big epidemiological studies might support the fiber theory, but intervention studies (when study subjects increased fiber and outcomes were compared to control subjects who did not) have not provided ANY support for the fiber theory.  It&#8217;s also possible to tease out from some data that fiber from grains actually do more harm than good (the body works hard to get rid of toxic harsh grain fiber, hence the &#8220;movement&#8221;), but TBTB haven&#8217;t seriously considered that option enough to actually study it in depth, because everyone *knows* wheat bran is good for us, right?  </p>
<p>Personally, my GI function improved tremendously when I dropped all sources of grain fiber and fiber supplements.  Now I just get whatever fiber is in my non-starchy veggies and some fruit and would never go back to seeking fiber in my diet.  I&#8217;m learning that the science actually supports what I&#8217;ve noticed myself, too.</p>
<p>In addition to the posts and comments on this blog, that I interpret as strongly stating that saturated fat consumption in the US is not &#8220;too high&#8221;, nor fiber intake &#8220;too low&#8221;, there are some good scientifically oriented posts on fat and fiber over at Whole Health Source and Hyperlipid blogs.   Fiber, it&#8217;s not all it&#8217;s cracked up to be.</p>
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		<title>By: Lyn P</title>
		<link>http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/fast-food/meat-and-mortality/#comment-209802</link>
		<dc:creator>Lyn P</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2009 02:46:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re the post on Irvingia gabonensis extract:  check the following link; seems like LEF is saying ya gotta eat carbs for this extract to work.  Is this just more low-carb bashing or are the claims in the paragraph at the top of column 2 accurate?  Or, is it that the extract worked to correct the probs caused by the high carb diet in the first place?  Does it have the same benefits when a low-carb diet is consumed.  Nothing much when googled but I did find some say it&#039;s not the miracle that it&#039;s claimed to be.

http://lowcarbconfidential.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/irvingia-letter-from-lef-010909.pdf</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re the post on Irvingia gabonensis extract:  check the following link; seems like LEF is saying ya gotta eat carbs for this extract to work.  Is this just more low-carb bashing or are the claims in the paragraph at the top of column 2 accurate?  Or, is it that the extract worked to correct the probs caused by the high carb diet in the first place?  Does it have the same benefits when a low-carb diet is consumed.  Nothing much when googled but I did find some say it&#8217;s not the miracle that it&#8217;s claimed to be.</p>
<p><a href="http://lowcarbconfidential.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/irvingia-letter-from-lef-010909.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://lowcarbconfidential.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/irvingia-letter-from-lef-010909.pdf</a></p>
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