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		<title>By: Colesterol HDL LDL VLDL trigliceride &#124; Kaciula.ro</title>
		<link>http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/cardiovascular-disease/the-statinator-paradox/#comment-243121</link>
		<dc:creator>Colesterol HDL LDL VLDL trigliceride &#124; Kaciula.ro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Feb 2010 09:29:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] de hormoni, reglarea glicemiei. Doctor Eades are pornita o adevarata cruciada(cum ar fi aici sau aici) impotriva statins-urilor (Zetia, Lipitor etc.) insa nu multi doctori stau cu urechile [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] de hormoni, reglarea glicemiei. Doctor Eades are pornita o adevarata cruciada(cum ar fi aici sau aici) impotriva statins-urilor (Zetia, Lipitor etc.) insa nu multi doctori stau cu urechile [...]</p>
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		<title>By: mreades</title>
		<link>http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/cardiovascular-disease/the-statinator-paradox/#comment-242693</link>
		<dc:creator>mreades</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 07:33:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sounds good to me except for the vegetable oil part.  I&#039;m not sure that vegetable oils make LDL particles smaller; I think that comes primarily from carbohydrate and lack of fat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sounds good to me except for the vegetable oil part.  I&#8217;m not sure that vegetable oils make LDL particles smaller; I think that comes primarily from carbohydrate and lack of fat.</p>
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		<title>By: imsovain</title>
		<link>http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/cardiovascular-disease/the-statinator-paradox/#comment-242667</link>
		<dc:creator>imsovain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 23:26:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A long long time ago, I think I asked you if there was anything approaching the truth at all to the animal-fat-is-bad-for-you meme that has taken hold of the world.  I believe your response was none at all.  (I may be mistaking you with somebody else.)

I have recently been thinking about ways to convert others to my way of nutritional thinking that people will take seriously.  In order for this to happen for most people, I think my views have to be stated in a way that doesn&#039;t invoke any cognitive dissonance.  So I think the following has to be true of my argument:

1) it can&#039;t suggest that the conventional wisdom is COMPLETELY wrong
2) it can&#039;t suggest that conventional wisdom researchers are COMPLETELY incompetent
3) it can&#039;t make reference to a self-interested cabal of researchers validating each others work, because that makes me sound like I&#039;m suggesting a conspiracy which makes me the loony person
4) it can&#039;t suggest that the listener is a fool for continuing to believe the conventional wisdom


I&#039;m wondering if you&#039;d agree with the following, in respect to the facts:

Early measurements and studies on LDL cholesterol suggested to many researchers that increased LDL cholesterol was linked to heart disease, so they recommended behaviors such as avoiding avoiding animal fat consumption, which is known to increase LDL in many individuals.  However, more precise, more recent studies measuring subtypes of LDL strongly suggest that small, dense LDL (typically increased by carbohydrate and most vegetable oil consumption) is a better marker of heart disease risk than total LDL.  So earlier recommendations to reduce animal fat consumption and increase carbohydrate and vegetable oil consumption may have been a reasonable recommendations to make based on the earlier studies, but the newer studies suggest that those recommendations actually increase heart attack risk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A long long time ago, I think I asked you if there was anything approaching the truth at all to the animal-fat-is-bad-for-you meme that has taken hold of the world.  I believe your response was none at all.  (I may be mistaking you with somebody else.)</p>
<p>I have recently been thinking about ways to convert others to my way of nutritional thinking that people will take seriously.  In order for this to happen for most people, I think my views have to be stated in a way that doesn&#8217;t invoke any cognitive dissonance.  So I think the following has to be true of my argument:</p>
<p>1) it can&#8217;t suggest that the conventional wisdom is COMPLETELY wrong<br />
2) it can&#8217;t suggest that conventional wisdom researchers are COMPLETELY incompetent<br />
3) it can&#8217;t make reference to a self-interested cabal of researchers validating each others work, because that makes me sound like I&#8217;m suggesting a conspiracy which makes me the loony person<br />
4) it can&#8217;t suggest that the listener is a fool for continuing to believe the conventional wisdom</p>
<p>I&#8217;m wondering if you&#8217;d agree with the following, in respect to the facts:</p>
<p>Early measurements and studies on LDL cholesterol suggested to many researchers that increased LDL cholesterol was linked to heart disease, so they recommended behaviors such as avoiding avoiding animal fat consumption, which is known to increase LDL in many individuals.  However, more precise, more recent studies measuring subtypes of LDL strongly suggest that small, dense LDL (typically increased by carbohydrate and most vegetable oil consumption) is a better marker of heart disease risk than total LDL.  So earlier recommendations to reduce animal fat consumption and increase carbohydrate and vegetable oil consumption may have been a reasonable recommendations to make based on the earlier studies, but the newer studies suggest that those recommendations actually increase heart attack risk.</p>
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		<title>By: EddieVos</title>
		<link>http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/cardiovascular-disease/the-statinator-paradox/#comment-242640</link>
		<dc:creator>EddieVos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 19:59:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess you mean LDL 114 and HDL 67. People would &quot;die&quot; to have those numbers as per conventional wisdom.  How about 1 gram fish oil/day and use canola for omega-3 and make sure you get enough electrolytes, especifically magnesium, both antiarrhythmics.

Has anyone ever checked your homocysteine level?  Its only remedy a fairly high dose multivitamin pill.  I have rarely seen heart problems when that number is near 7, near 11 is probably average and above 16 is a stroke / heart attack waiting to happen.  That stuff is one genetic factor that OVER TIME causes artery damage but lowering it is no quick fix.  

Statins don&#039;t lower calcification rate either and with your lipid numbers, few conventional doctors would put you on a statin [unless they&#039;re afraid getting sued for not doing so].  

I&#039;m not sure about vitamin D but that also could be a factor but that&#039;s not nearly as clear as is homocysteine.

One risk of being in a cardiac ward is that you may be surrounded by people making a carreer out of putting stents into arteries, something that all agree does not prevent the next heart attack or make you live longer -- if this is done in a planned fashion.

If the cardiogram was clear and troponin was zip, I&#039;d take a cab out (for better food) but that is your decision after you&#039;ve studied all the charts and discussed all the options.  If there was troponin, I&#039;d take it easy for at least a month; that is a sign of heart damage.  Something else than heart?  Best of luck, E.V., a non-MD</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess you mean LDL 114 and HDL 67. People would &#8220;die&#8221; to have those numbers as per conventional wisdom.  How about 1 gram fish oil/day and use canola for omega-3 and make sure you get enough electrolytes, especifically magnesium, both antiarrhythmics.</p>
<p>Has anyone ever checked your homocysteine level?  Its only remedy a fairly high dose multivitamin pill.  I have rarely seen heart problems when that number is near 7, near 11 is probably average and above 16 is a stroke / heart attack waiting to happen.  That stuff is one genetic factor that OVER TIME causes artery damage but lowering it is no quick fix.  </p>
<p>Statins don&#8217;t lower calcification rate either and with your lipid numbers, few conventional doctors would put you on a statin [unless they're afraid getting sued for not doing so].  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure about vitamin D but that also could be a factor but that&#8217;s not nearly as clear as is homocysteine.</p>
<p>One risk of being in a cardiac ward is that you may be surrounded by people making a carreer out of putting stents into arteries, something that all agree does not prevent the next heart attack or make you live longer &#8212; if this is done in a planned fashion.</p>
<p>If the cardiogram was clear and troponin was zip, I&#8217;d take a cab out (for better food) but that is your decision after you&#8217;ve studied all the charts and discussed all the options.  If there was troponin, I&#8217;d take it easy for at least a month; that is a sign of heart damage.  Something else than heart?  Best of luck, E.V., a non-MD</p>
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		<title>By: edward doran</title>
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		<dc:creator>edward doran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 03:29:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yesterday I started having chest pains and ended up in the cardiac unit at the local hospital. I opened my tray this morning and low and behold a low fat/low salt &quot;heart healthy&quot; breakfast of six pieces of white toast, a big pile of potatoes, and about two tablespoons of egg beaters. 
Dr. Eades I would be interested to hear what you have to say about calcium scores in a more detailed fashion. My calcium score is 45 but I&#039;m not sure exactly what that means. My HDL&#039;s are 114, LDL&#039;s are 67, triglycerides are 72, overall is 195. Blood pressure is 116/68 and pulse is 65 bpm. The cardiologist here says these are decent scores but I&#039;m worried about the chest pains. I exercise regularly and although I do eat low carb, high protien, I also eat a ton of saturated fat. So with this pain I&#039;m wondering more than ever which direction to move as far as diet. Supposedly a calcium score of 45 puts me in the 90th percentile of males 30-41 years old which sounds pretty ominous.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yesterday I started having chest pains and ended up in the cardiac unit at the local hospital. I opened my tray this morning and low and behold a low fat/low salt &#8220;heart healthy&#8221; breakfast of six pieces of white toast, a big pile of potatoes, and about two tablespoons of egg beaters.<br />
Dr. Eades I would be interested to hear what you have to say about calcium scores in a more detailed fashion. My calcium score is 45 but I&#8217;m not sure exactly what that means. My HDL&#8217;s are 114, LDL&#8217;s are 67, triglycerides are 72, overall is 195. Blood pressure is 116/68 and pulse is 65 bpm. The cardiologist here says these are decent scores but I&#8217;m worried about the chest pains. I exercise regularly and although I do eat low carb, high protien, I also eat a ton of saturated fat. So with this pain I&#8217;m wondering more than ever which direction to move as far as diet. Supposedly a calcium score of 45 puts me in the 90th percentile of males 30-41 years old which sounds pretty ominous.</p>
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		<title>By: Curious</title>
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		<dc:creator>Curious</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jan 2010 14:46:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Never mind. I found substantive rebuttals here (the wonders of google): http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/cardiovascular-disease/the-statinator-paradox/comment-page-1/#comment-242276</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Never mind. I found substantive rebuttals here (the wonders of google): <a href="http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/cardiovascular-disease/the-statinator-paradox/comment-page-1/#comment-242276" rel="nofollow">http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/cardiovascular-disease/the-statinator-paradox/comment-page-1/#comment-242276</a></p>
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		<title>By: Curious</title>
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		<dc:creator>Curious</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jan 2010 14:38:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So does anybody have a substantive response to NP&#039;s post?
&quot;Statins do reduce all-cause mortality. A meta-analysis published in the BMJ by Brugts et al. (2009) showed that for primary prevention in patients with cardiovascular risk factors, all-cause mortality was reduced significantly by 12% (ARR: 0.6%) over an average follow-up period of four years. A meta-analysis published by Wilt et al. (2004) in the Archives of Internal Medicine showed that for secondary prevention, all-cause mortality was reduced by 16% (ARR: 1.8%). This translates to a number needed to treat of 167 for primary prevention, and 56 for secondary prevention to prevent one death from any cause, give or take.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So does anybody have a substantive response to NP&#8217;s post?<br />
&#8220;Statins do reduce all-cause mortality. A meta-analysis published in the BMJ by Brugts et al. (2009) showed that for primary prevention in patients with cardiovascular risk factors, all-cause mortality was reduced significantly by 12% (ARR: 0.6%) over an average follow-up period of four years. A meta-analysis published by Wilt et al. (2004) in the Archives of Internal Medicine showed that for secondary prevention, all-cause mortality was reduced by 16% (ARR: 1.8%). This translates to a number needed to treat of 167 for primary prevention, and 56 for secondary prevention to prevent one death from any cause, give or take.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Trusted.MD Network</title>
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		<dc:creator>Trusted.MD Network</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 13:08:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Comment Highlight: Jake, Art DeVany, &amp; Cartography...&lt;/strong&gt;

Better maps do exist.Art DeVany&#039;s upcoming book will be one such epistemocratic map (and I look forward to reading and reviewing it).I want to thank Jake for chiming in to my previous post and spurring this installment of Comment Highlight:
Jake said....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Comment Highlight: Jake, Art DeVany, &amp; Cartography&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>Better maps do exist.Art DeVany&#8217;s upcoming book will be one such epistemocratic map (and I look forward to reading and reviewing it).I want to thank Jake for chiming in to my previous post and spurring this installment of Comment Highlight:<br />
Jake said&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: EddieVos</title>
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		<dc:creator>EddieVos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 12:01:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, NHANES showed &#039;bad&#039; LDL is going down in the U.S. and thus total cholesterol.  Have a look here: in 150,000 white folk in Austria, being in the lowest 25% for cholesterol predicts early death, repeat early death.  In WOMEN over age 50, that increased risk equalled the risk of [life long] smoking!!!  Why would more people with low cholesterol be good if statistically that means earlier death?
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15006277?dopt=Abstract

From http://www.health-heart.org/cholesterol.htm here&#039;s some perspective:
http://www.health-heart.org/CRESTOR-rosuva_JUPITER-in-perspective.gif

A superb cartoon that NAILS it better than any scientist or MD
http://www.health-heart.org/NoBadCholesterol.jpg  It&#039;s not how much cholesterol, it&#039;s how clean that particle: has it got enough omega-3, enough CoQ10, vitamin E or carotene-like stuff [carotenoids] or too much tans fats and heat burnt cholesterol or heat damaged polyunsaturates?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, NHANES showed &#8216;bad&#8217; LDL is going down in the U.S. and thus total cholesterol.  Have a look here: in 150,000 white folk in Austria, being in the lowest 25% for cholesterol predicts early death, repeat early death.  In WOMEN over age 50, that increased risk equalled the risk of [life long] smoking!!!  Why would more people with low cholesterol be good if statistically that means earlier death?<br />
<a href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15006277?dopt=Abstract" rel="nofollow">http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15006277?dopt=Abstract</a></p>
<p>From <a href="http://www.health-heart.org/cholesterol.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.health-heart.org/cholesterol.htm</a> here&#8217;s some perspective:<br />
<a href="http://www.health-heart.org/CRESTOR-rosuva_JUPITER-in-perspective.gif" rel="nofollow">http://www.health-heart.org/CRESTOR-rosuva_JUPITER-in-perspective.gif</a></p>
<p>A superb cartoon that NAILS it better than any scientist or MD<br />
<a href="http://www.health-heart.org/NoBadCholesterol.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://www.health-heart.org/NoBadCholesterol.jpg</a>  It&#8217;s not how much cholesterol, it&#8217;s how clean that particle: has it got enough omega-3, enough CoQ10, vitamin E or carotene-like stuff [carotenoids] or too much tans fats and heat burnt cholesterol or heat damaged polyunsaturates?</p>
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		<title>By: Dan`</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan`</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2009 02:25:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>great Blog.  Reading Tabes GCBC&#039;s.  Known as the diet delusion in Aus.   Facinating.  (I don&#039;t think I&#039;ve ever said that about anything...ever...appart from sarcastic effect.)   Thanks for your great insights looking forward to reading more</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>great Blog.  Reading Tabes GCBC&#8217;s.  Known as the diet delusion in Aus.   Facinating.  (I don&#8217;t think I&#8217;ve ever said that about anything&#8230;ever&#8230;appart from sarcastic effect.)   Thanks for your great insights looking forward to reading more</p>
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