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		<title>By: Lynn Gongaware</title>
		<link>http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/cardiovascular-disease/framingham-flip-flop/#comment-50211</link>
		<dc:creator>Lynn Gongaware</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Sep 2007 19:32:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When my doctor put me on Lipitor I had a 260/45 ratio.  When I gave up my low-fat diet, my HDL has zoomed to 69.  Now I have an explanation!  Thank you.

However, being on Lipitor my total number is now low.  How can I convince my doctor to take me off Lipitor since the total number is being skewed lower and we don&#039;t know what the total number/ratio would be without the Lipitor influence?

Thanks for considering.

&lt;em&gt;I don&#039;t know how you can persuade your doc to take you off Lipitor.  He/she has probably bought the drug company promotions hook, line and sinker.  Maybe you should copy the post on Statin Panic and take it to your physician, though I doubt that it would make a lot of difference.

Good luck.

MRE&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When my doctor put me on Lipitor I had a 260/45 ratio.  When I gave up my low-fat diet, my HDL has zoomed to 69.  Now I have an explanation!  Thank you.</p>
<p>However, being on Lipitor my total number is now low.  How can I convince my doctor to take me off Lipitor since the total number is being skewed lower and we don&#8217;t know what the total number/ratio would be without the Lipitor influence?</p>
<p>Thanks for considering.</p>
<p><em>I don&#8217;t know how you can persuade your doc to take you off Lipitor.  He/she has probably bought the drug company promotions hook, line and sinker.  Maybe you should copy the post on Statin Panic and take it to your physician, though I doubt that it would make a lot of difference.</p>
<p>Good luck.</p>
<p>MRE</em></p>
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		<title>By: Kathy</title>
		<link>http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/cardiovascular-disease/framingham-flip-flop/#comment-36948</link>
		<dc:creator>Kathy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jun 2007 12:04:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Old thread, but just had to write.  You said:

&quot;The rule of thumb is that a good TC/HDL ratio is one below 4, which, according to that calculation, yours is.

&quot;I don’t look at that ratio much, preferring instead to use the Triglyceride/HDL ratio, which I like to see somewhere under 5. Most of our patients on low-carb diets stay around the 2-3 range.&quot;

I&#039;ve been LCing since around 1998.  In 2002 I had my blood work done.  TC/HDL was 2.71, and Triglyceride/HDL was .99.  In 2005 I had it done again.  TC/HDL was 2.82 and Triglyceride/HDL was .85.

Pretty good, huh, for someone who&#039;s killing themselves eating all the saturated fat!

&lt;em&gt;Pretty good indeed!&lt;/em&gt;

&lt;em&gt;Keep it up.&lt;/em&gt;

&lt;em&gt;Cheers--&lt;/em&gt;

&lt;em&gt;MRE &lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Old thread, but just had to write.  You said:</p>
<p>&#8220;The rule of thumb is that a good TC/HDL ratio is one below 4, which, according to that calculation, yours is.</p>
<p>&#8220;I don’t look at that ratio much, preferring instead to use the Triglyceride/HDL ratio, which I like to see somewhere under 5. Most of our patients on low-carb diets stay around the 2-3 range.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been LCing since around 1998.  In 2002 I had my blood work done.  TC/HDL was 2.71, and Triglyceride/HDL was .99.  In 2005 I had it done again.  TC/HDL was 2.82 and Triglyceride/HDL was .85.</p>
<p>Pretty good, huh, for someone who&#8217;s killing themselves eating all the saturated fat!</p>
<p><em>Pretty good indeed!</em></p>
<p><em>Keep it up.</em></p>
<p><em>Cheers&#8211;</em></p>
<p><em>MRE </em></p>
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		<title>By: Richard Daniels</title>
		<link>http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/cardiovascular-disease/framingham-flip-flop/#comment-20039</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Daniels</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Mar 2007 23:25:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A message from Holland. I really like reading articles on your site. A lot easier to read too compared to some literature I got from the library ;-)
I had a small stroke in May 2005 - due to a migraine attack - and all the neurologist could find was a slightly elevated cholesterol level. Further scanning proved no clogging of the arteries whatsoever. However, I was instantly put on statins which &lt;strong&gt;did&lt;/strong&gt; lower my cholesterol levels within a week or so. So I thought I was done. When I asked my physician if I could stop taking the statins now the levels were ok, I was told I was to keep taking them for the rest of my life. Suffering from bothersome side-effects like head-aches and total loss of energy, I tossed the pills that same day.
Then I read the book by Uffe Ravsnkov and some other articles and I started to &#039;see the light&#039;. So now I&#039;m trying to &#039;behave&#039;. I have to admit I don&#039;t excercise as much as I should, but I will, I promise ;-)
Meanwhile, a discussion has started over here about the &#039;forces&#039; steering us into drug use and so called cholesterol lowering products like margerine (health advisory instances heavily sponsored by pharmaceutical industries for instance); there was even a representative of the European counsil on the TV this evening stating there will be a formal inquiry into this matter.
Well, enough ranting from The Lowlands, regards,
Richard

&lt;em&gt;Hi Richard--&lt;/em&gt;

&lt;em&gt;Thanks for writing.  You should take a look at a book available in Europe by Malcolm Kendricks titled &lt;/em&gt;The Great Cholesterol Con&lt;em&gt;.  It may help you get even more clarification on the statin and fat issues.&lt;/em&gt;

&lt;em&gt;Cheers--&lt;/em&gt;

&lt;em&gt;MRE &lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A message from Holland. I really like reading articles on your site. A lot easier to read too compared to some literature I got from the library <img src='http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
I had a small stroke in May 2005 &#8211; due to a migraine attack &#8211; and all the neurologist could find was a slightly elevated cholesterol level. Further scanning proved no clogging of the arteries whatsoever. However, I was instantly put on statins which <strong>did</strong> lower my cholesterol levels within a week or so. So I thought I was done. When I asked my physician if I could stop taking the statins now the levels were ok, I was told I was to keep taking them for the rest of my life. Suffering from bothersome side-effects like head-aches and total loss of energy, I tossed the pills that same day.<br />
Then I read the book by Uffe Ravsnkov and some other articles and I started to &#8216;see the light&#8217;. So now I&#8217;m trying to &#8216;behave&#8217;. I have to admit I don&#8217;t excercise as much as I should, but I will, I promise <img src='http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
Meanwhile, a discussion has started over here about the &#8216;forces&#8217; steering us into drug use and so called cholesterol lowering products like margerine (health advisory instances heavily sponsored by pharmaceutical industries for instance); there was even a representative of the European counsil on the TV this evening stating there will be a formal inquiry into this matter.<br />
Well, enough ranting from The Lowlands, regards,<br />
Richard</p>
<p><em>Hi Richard&#8211;</em></p>
<p><em>Thanks for writing.  You should take a look at a book available in Europe by Malcolm Kendricks titled </em>The Great Cholesterol Con<em>.  It may help you get even more clarification on the statin and fat issues.</em></p>
<p><em>Cheers&#8211;</em></p>
<p><em>MRE </em></p>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Oct 2006 11:52:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Uh... huh? Regarding Total Chol / HDL ratio, Doc said:

&quot;I don’t look at that ratio much, preferring instead to use the Triglyceride/HDL ratio, which I like to see somewhere under 5. Most of our patients on low-carb diets stay around the 2-3 range.&quot;

Unless I have lost my mind, on your forum, there is a sticky thread with recommended lipid ratios and Tri/HDL should be

Hi Bill--

Was there more to this comment?

MRE</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Uh&#8230; huh? Regarding Total Chol / HDL ratio, Doc said:</p>
<p>&#8220;I don’t look at that ratio much, preferring instead to use the Triglyceride/HDL ratio, which I like to see somewhere under 5. Most of our patients on low-carb diets stay around the 2-3 range.&#8221;</p>
<p>Unless I have lost my mind, on your forum, there is a sticky thread with recommended lipid ratios and Tri/HDL should be</p>
<p>Hi Bill&#8211;</p>
<p>Was there more to this comment?</p>
<p>MRE</p>
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		<title>By: David LaCivita</title>
		<link>http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/cardiovascular-disease/framingham-flip-flop/#comment-985</link>
		<dc:creator>David LaCivita</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Oct 2006 20:12:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So what are good numbers and ratios for our cholesterol?  I just got a letter from my dr. telling me to watch my cholesterol, it was 242 total and my good cholesterol (HDL?) was 68.  It was a form letter with my numbers written in, I know he doesn&#039;t pay much attention to what the pharma. Co&#039;s tell him it should be.

Hi David--

The rule of thumb is that a good TC/HDL ratio is one below 4, which, according to that calculation, yours is.

I don&#039;t look at that ratio much, preferring instead to use the Triglyceride/HDL ratio, which I like to see somewhere under 5.  Most of our patients on low-carb diets stay around the 2-3 range.

Best--

MRE
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So what are good numbers and ratios for our cholesterol?  I just got a letter from my dr. telling me to watch my cholesterol, it was 242 total and my good cholesterol (HDL?) was 68.  It was a form letter with my numbers written in, I know he doesn&#8217;t pay much attention to what the pharma. Co&#8217;s tell him it should be.</p>
<p>Hi David&#8211;</p>
<p>The rule of thumb is that a good TC/HDL ratio is one below 4, which, according to that calculation, yours is.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t look at that ratio much, preferring instead to use the Triglyceride/HDL ratio, which I like to see somewhere under 5.  Most of our patients on low-carb diets stay around the 2-3 range.</p>
<p>Best&#8211;</p>
<p>MRE</p>
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		<title>By: Hellistile</title>
		<link>http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/cardiovascular-disease/framingham-flip-flop/#comment-984</link>
		<dc:creator>Hellistile</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Oct 2006 16:03:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Victoria:
You are in a difficult position, however sometimes &quot;tough love&quot; can win out and forgive me if I am stepping out of line here on Dr. Mike&#039;s blog.

My father was an alcoholic and was very abusive verbally. However, I did not cut him out of my life and to make a long story short could figure out the reasons why he was the way he was. One day, when he started on one of his rampages swearing and yelling at my mother, me, my son, my sister (or anyone else), I would calmly tell him that I was leaving and would leave whenever he started yelling because it upset me and was a bad influence on HIS GRANDSON. The first time I didn&#039;t hear from him for 2 weeks because he was so insulted by my comment. Then he invited us over more regularly. I calmly reminded him about the yelling a few more times until it stopped completely, in my presence anyway.

Maybe it would be good to try a version of that on your family. Calmly tell them that you cannot join them in festivities until a lot more low-carb options are available and the reasons why. But it&#039;s up to you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Victoria:<br />
You are in a difficult position, however sometimes &#8220;tough love&#8221; can win out and forgive me if I am stepping out of line here on Dr. Mike&#8217;s blog.</p>
<p>My father was an alcoholic and was very abusive verbally. However, I did not cut him out of my life and to make a long story short could figure out the reasons why he was the way he was. One day, when he started on one of his rampages swearing and yelling at my mother, me, my son, my sister (or anyone else), I would calmly tell him that I was leaving and would leave whenever he started yelling because it upset me and was a bad influence on HIS GRANDSON. The first time I didn&#8217;t hear from him for 2 weeks because he was so insulted by my comment. Then he invited us over more regularly. I calmly reminded him about the yelling a few more times until it stopped completely, in my presence anyway.</p>
<p>Maybe it would be good to try a version of that on your family. Calmly tell them that you cannot join them in festivities until a lot more low-carb options are available and the reasons why. But it&#8217;s up to you.</p>
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		<title>By: Neal Winkler</title>
		<link>http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/cardiovascular-disease/framingham-flip-flop/#comment-983</link>
		<dc:creator>Neal Winkler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Oct 2006 12:34:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another great post, Dr. Eades. Keep up the great work.

BTW, do you know of any resources where one can find a low carb/paleo/cholesterol skeptic doctor, or are they just way too rare of a breed?

Thanks,

Neal

Hi Neal--

I know a few here and there.  Where are you located?  If I don&#039;t know someone in your neck of the woods maybe someone else reading these comments will.

Best--

MRE</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another great post, Dr. Eades. Keep up the great work.</p>
<p>BTW, do you know of any resources where one can find a low carb/paleo/cholesterol skeptic doctor, or are they just way too rare of a breed?</p>
<p>Thanks,</p>
<p>Neal</p>
<p>Hi Neal&#8211;</p>
<p>I know a few here and there.  Where are you located?  If I don&#8217;t know someone in your neck of the woods maybe someone else reading these comments will.</p>
<p>Best&#8211;</p>
<p>MRE</p>
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		<title>By: mrfreddy</title>
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		<dc:creator>mrfreddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Oct 2006 10:33:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ooops, sorry, forgot to say where that inteview was, it&#039;s on jimmy moore&#039;s livin la vida low carb....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ooops, sorry, forgot to say where that inteview was, it&#8217;s on jimmy moore&#8217;s livin la vida low carb&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: mrfreddy</title>
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		<dc:creator>mrfreddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Oct 2006 10:32:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>speaking of HDL, you should check out today&#039;s interview with the great &quot;scientist&quot; Dr. Ornish, he trots out his &quot;garbage trucks&quot; theory again. Yeah. Right. Uh-huh.
I think we should come up with a name for the small dense LDL- how about &quot;tiny assassins?&quot; or &quot;little daggers?&quot; 

Hi mrfreddy--

Ah, yes, the old garbage truck theory.  It&#039;s the last refuge of the ill informed.

Cheers--

MRE</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>speaking of HDL, you should check out today&#8217;s interview with the great &#8220;scientist&#8221; Dr. Ornish, he trots out his &#8220;garbage trucks&#8221; theory again. Yeah. Right. Uh-huh.<br />
I think we should come up with a name for the small dense LDL- how about &#8220;tiny assassins?&#8221; or &#8220;little daggers?&#8221; </p>
<p>Hi mrfreddy&#8211;</p>
<p>Ah, yes, the old garbage truck theory.  It&#8217;s the last refuge of the ill informed.</p>
<p>Cheers&#8211;</p>
<p>MRE</p>
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		<title>By: WaltK</title>
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		<dc:creator>WaltK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Oct 2006 10:23:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good stuff about the ratios.

I noticed that most life insurance companies -- who are chiefly concerned with mortality -- only seem to look at ratios when deciding who they will insure, and for how much, on the basis of their blood work.

Hi Walt--

You&#039;re right.  Best place to look for what is valid are at the policies of those standing to make or lose money.

Cheers--

MRE</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good stuff about the ratios.</p>
<p>I noticed that most life insurance companies &#8212; who are chiefly concerned with mortality &#8212; only seem to look at ratios when deciding who they will insure, and for how much, on the basis of their blood work.</p>
<p>Hi Walt&#8211;</p>
<p>You&#8217;re right.  Best place to look for what is valid are at the policies of those standing to make or lose money.</p>
<p>Cheers&#8211;</p>
<p>MRE</p>
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