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		<title>By: jin</title>
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		<dc:creator>jin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Mar 2008 05:38:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi 

I have very low triglycerides, very high hdl, and eat almost vegetarian. Very high carb. Total cholesterol over 460. Any comment?

No manipulation, although I have begun using salmon oil in the past six months. If I remember.

&lt;em&gt;I wouldn&#039;t know without checking of course, but if you&#039;re on  high-carb diet you could easily have the small, dense LDL particle type, although your low triglycerides militates against it.  Might want to get it checked.  Might want to try a different diet.&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi </p>
<p>I have very low triglycerides, very high hdl, and eat almost vegetarian. Very high carb. Total cholesterol over 460. Any comment?</p>
<p>No manipulation, although I have begun using salmon oil in the past six months. If I remember.</p>
<p><em>I wouldn&#8217;t know without checking of course, but if you&#8217;re on  high-carb diet you could easily have the small, dense LDL particle type, although your low triglycerides militates against it.  Might want to get it checked.  Might want to try a different diet.</em></p>
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		<title>By: Theresa (in Sweden)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Theresa (in Sweden)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 21:05:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On another note, this article in a Swedish daily paper says that Frank Hu at Harvard School of Public Health  says they have managed to get some data out of Nurse&#039;s health study that says that High-GI carbs will increase risk of diabetes and heart disease. Low-GI carbs like full grain pasta and brown rice does not, and it also says low-carb does not increase risk, rather it diminishes the risk of getting sick *under the condition that you choose fats of plant origin - canola, olive oil and nuts*. Does it say that, or is that their interpretation or do they just assume it?

&lt;em&gt;Who knows what the Nurses&#039; Health Study says?  This is regarded as a terrible study by most legit epidemiologists.  Knowing the people involved, I suspect they interpret it that way because they can&#039;t bring themselves to face the facts they would have to face were they to interpret it correctly.

Cheers--

MRE&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On another note, this article in a Swedish daily paper says that Frank Hu at Harvard School of Public Health  says they have managed to get some data out of Nurse&#8217;s health study that says that High-GI carbs will increase risk of diabetes and heart disease. Low-GI carbs like full grain pasta and brown rice does not, and it also says low-carb does not increase risk, rather it diminishes the risk of getting sick *under the condition that you choose fats of plant origin &#8211; canola, olive oil and nuts*. Does it say that, or is that their interpretation or do they just assume it?</p>
<p><em>Who knows what the Nurses&#8217; Health Study says?  This is regarded as a terrible study by most legit epidemiologists.  Knowing the people involved, I suspect they interpret it that way because they can&#8217;t bring themselves to face the facts they would have to face were they to interpret it correctly.</p>
<p>Cheers&#8211;</p>
<p>MRE</em></p>
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		<title>By: Theresa (in Sweden)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Theresa (in Sweden)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 15:33:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doc, I didn&#039;t mean risk factor per se, I just wondered wether nearly all people who suffer heart attacks also have high trigs. Or is it more like cholesterol where some people with quite low cholesterol of all shapes and sizes still have heart attacks? Is there any statistics on this anywhere?

&lt;em&gt;I don&#039;t know this for an absolute fact, but I would bet that many more have elevated triglycerides than have elevated cholesterol.&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doc, I didn&#8217;t mean risk factor per se, I just wondered wether nearly all people who suffer heart attacks also have high trigs. Or is it more like cholesterol where some people with quite low cholesterol of all shapes and sizes still have heart attacks? Is there any statistics on this anywhere?</p>
<p><em>I don&#8217;t know this for an absolute fact, but I would bet that many more have elevated triglycerides than have elevated cholesterol.</em></p>
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		<title>By: Richard Tamesis, M.D.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Tamesis, M.D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 02:15:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s a NY Times article ( http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/07/health/07diabetes.html?_r=1&amp;hp=&amp;oref=slogin&amp;pagewanted=all )that should be of interest to everyone regarding diabetes and heart disease. It may be surprising to mainstream docs but not to those who&#039;ve read and understood the carbohydrate hypothesis and the diabetes chapters in Gary Taubes&#039; book. Hopefully, Taubes will right another opinion piece on the subject and get in published in the NY Times just like what he did with regards to the Vytorin disaster.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s a NY Times article ( <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/07/health/07diabetes.html?_r=1&amp;hp=&amp;oref=slogin&amp;pagewanted=all" rel="nofollow">http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/07/health/07diabetes.html?_r=1&amp;hp=&amp;oref=slogin&amp;pagewanted=all</a> )that should be of interest to everyone regarding diabetes and heart disease. It may be surprising to mainstream docs but not to those who&#8217;ve read and understood the carbohydrate hypothesis and the diabetes chapters in Gary Taubes&#8217; book. Hopefully, Taubes will right another opinion piece on the subject and get in published in the NY Times just like what he did with regards to the Vytorin disaster.</p>
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		<title>By: Charles</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2008 21:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dr. Mike:

Instead of proving the low carb diet with Colpo, how about asking him to prove any long term sustained weight loss from calorie counting?  Sure, there was that wierd experiment that Newburgh cited in 1948, who was unique in the annals of obesity literature, but there are no studies that prove cutting calories works.  They&#039;ve tried it with marathons and every other type of exercise imaginable but it&#039;s consistently shown not to work in laboratory studies.  It has been proven over and over again that fat people eat no more than lean persons.  They may underestimate what they eat, but the fact remains that they really eat no more than the lean.  Every creature on the planet only fattens with a purpose.  Those that fatten for no reason can blame diet and with it comes all the diseases of civilization.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr. Mike:</p>
<p>Instead of proving the low carb diet with Colpo, how about asking him to prove any long term sustained weight loss from calorie counting?  Sure, there was that wierd experiment that Newburgh cited in 1948, who was unique in the annals of obesity literature, but there are no studies that prove cutting calories works.  They&#8217;ve tried it with marathons and every other type of exercise imaginable but it&#8217;s consistently shown not to work in laboratory studies.  It has been proven over and over again that fat people eat no more than lean persons.  They may underestimate what they eat, but the fact remains that they really eat no more than the lean.  Every creature on the planet only fattens with a purpose.  Those that fatten for no reason can blame diet and with it comes all the diseases of civilization.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2008 17:23:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dr. Eades (and other readers),

I have enjoyed your books and your blog, and I have an off-topic question for you.  You, as I do, believe that our ancestors evolved to eat a diet that included very little carbohydrate and that &quot;excessive&quot; carb consumption can lead to obesity and many other problems.  But what about the possibility that our body&#039;s response to carbs could also be an evolved response?  Could it be that our ancestors gorged on fruits and berries in the late summer and fall, thus gaining some body fat that could be beneficial in making it through the winter (in colder climes, obviously)?   And could it be that those that did not gain fat on this diet were more likely to die in the winter and not reproduce?  I am sure I am not the first to wonder about this.

&lt;em&gt;Nope, you&#039;re not the first person to have wondered.  Since all animals get fatter in the fall in preparation for winter, it would seem likely that they had been selected by the forces of natural selection to do so.  The enzymatic machinery that converts fructose to fat would appear to be proof.  In a native diet, fructose wouldn&#039;t be found in very high concentrations until the fall when fruits ripened, which corresponds to the time when animals need to fatten the most. Now we eat fructose all the time and wonder why we all get fat.

Cheers--

MRE&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr. Eades (and other readers),</p>
<p>I have enjoyed your books and your blog, and I have an off-topic question for you.  You, as I do, believe that our ancestors evolved to eat a diet that included very little carbohydrate and that &#8220;excessive&#8221; carb consumption can lead to obesity and many other problems.  But what about the possibility that our body&#8217;s response to carbs could also be an evolved response?  Could it be that our ancestors gorged on fruits and berries in the late summer and fall, thus gaining some body fat that could be beneficial in making it through the winter (in colder climes, obviously)?   And could it be that those that did not gain fat on this diet were more likely to die in the winter and not reproduce?  I am sure I am not the first to wonder about this.</p>
<p><em>Nope, you&#8217;re not the first person to have wondered.  Since all animals get fatter in the fall in preparation for winter, it would seem likely that they had been selected by the forces of natural selection to do so.  The enzymatic machinery that converts fructose to fat would appear to be proof.  In a native diet, fructose wouldn&#8217;t be found in very high concentrations until the fall when fruits ripened, which corresponds to the time when animals need to fatten the most. Now we eat fructose all the time and wonder why we all get fat.</p>
<p>Cheers&#8211;</p>
<p>MRE</em></p>
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		<title>By: Laurel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laurel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2008 16:13:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Dr. Mike,

Thought you might appreciate this article regarding gout &amp; sugar/fructose:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/global/main.jhtml?xml=/global/2008/02/01/noindex/ngout101.xml

Regards,

&lt;em&gt;Laurel

Thanks for the link.  I&#039;ll have to pull this paper.  I&#039;ve found the same thing in years of practice.

Cheers--

MRE&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Dr. Mike,</p>
<p>Thought you might appreciate this article regarding gout &amp; sugar/fructose:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/global/main.jhtml?xml=/global/2008/02/01/noindex/ngout101.xml" rel="nofollow">http://www.telegraph.co.uk/global/main.jhtml?xml=/global/2008/02/01/noindex/ngout101.xml</a></p>
<p>Regards,</p>
<p><em>Laurel</p>
<p>Thanks for the link.  I&#8217;ll have to pull this paper.  I&#8217;ve found the same thing in years of practice.</p>
<p>Cheers&#8211;</p>
<p>MRE</em></p>
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		<title>By: Theresa (in Sweden)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Theresa (in Sweden)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2008 09:54:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doc, you mentioned somewhere that trigs are a much better indicator of CHD risk than any type of cholesterol modality. How much better? Is it virtually impossible to have very good trigs and get a heart attack or is it twice as good as cholesterol measurement? It would be very useful to know since I&#039;m fighting my inlaws who want me to stop eating more that 7 eggs per week because of the cholesterol content. Like eggs could raise serum cholesterol... (I&#039;m also a woman of 38 with no risk factors of CHD whatsoever, but that doesn&#039;t seem to sink in with them.)

&lt;em&gt;It&#039;s not known for sure whether triglycerides are a risk factor of if they are merely related to heart disease, so there is no way to quantify their risk level.  A few people have tried to quantify the triglyceride/HDL levels in terms of risk, and it appears that those who have a TGL/HDL level below 3 have fewer heart attacks than those with higher levels.  In practice I found that patients on low-carb diets tend to run TGL/HDL ratios at around 1 or even less.&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doc, you mentioned somewhere that trigs are a much better indicator of CHD risk than any type of cholesterol modality. How much better? Is it virtually impossible to have very good trigs and get a heart attack or is it twice as good as cholesterol measurement? It would be very useful to know since I&#8217;m fighting my inlaws who want me to stop eating more that 7 eggs per week because of the cholesterol content. Like eggs could raise serum cholesterol&#8230; (I&#8217;m also a woman of 38 with no risk factors of CHD whatsoever, but that doesn&#8217;t seem to sink in with them.)</p>
<p><em>It&#8217;s not known for sure whether triglycerides are a risk factor of if they are merely related to heart disease, so there is no way to quantify their risk level.  A few people have tried to quantify the triglyceride/HDL levels in terms of risk, and it appears that those who have a TGL/HDL level below 3 have fewer heart attacks than those with higher levels.  In practice I found that patients on low-carb diets tend to run TGL/HDL ratios at around 1 or even less.</em></p>
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		<title>By: Nicholas Hahn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nicholas Hahn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2008 05:42:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The last time I had my blood checked, I had cholesterol of 128 and triglycerides of 13.  I just want to say that I whole-heartedly agree with you on the carbohydrate restriction.  I cut out carbs much before I read your book, but the results were quite dramatic.  I just wish I could explain to other people about carbohydrate restriction without getting a look of cognitive dissonance from them.  They just don&#039;t comprehend the notion that grains aren&#039;t all that healthy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The last time I had my blood checked, I had cholesterol of 128 and triglycerides of 13.  I just want to say that I whole-heartedly agree with you on the carbohydrate restriction.  I cut out carbs much before I read your book, but the results were quite dramatic.  I just wish I could explain to other people about carbohydrate restriction without getting a look of cognitive dissonance from them.  They just don&#8217;t comprehend the notion that grains aren&#8217;t all that healthy.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Dodge</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Dodge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2008 23:22:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Most health newsletters are just lists of old wife&#039;s tales. They contain lots of rumor and innuendo and little actual scientific facts. Unfortunately, the public, in general, believes all information contained in them is factual.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most health newsletters are just lists of old wife&#8217;s tales. They contain lots of rumor and innuendo and little actual scientific facts. Unfortunately, the public, in general, believes all information contained in them is factual.</p>
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