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		<title>By: Rick Sinn</title>
		<link>http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/book-reviews/mistakes-were-made-but-not-by-me/comment-page-3/#comment-119145</link>
		<dc:creator>Rick Sinn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 15:16:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does the April 8 New York Times article by John Tierney related to this topic give you any cognitive dissonance regarding cognitive dissonance?!

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&lt;em&gt;Yep.  I&#039;ve always been intrigued by the Monty Hall problem.  &lt;a href=&quot;http://tierneylab.blogs.nytimes.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Good article&lt;/a&gt;.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does the April 8 New York Times article by John Tierney related to this topic give you any cognitive dissonance regarding cognitive dissonance?!</p>
<p>Best</p>
<p><em>Yep.  I&#8217;ve always been intrigued by the Monty Hall problem.  <a href="http://tierneylab.blogs.nytimes.com/" rel="nofollow">Good article</a>.<br />
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		<title>By: Linda</title>
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		<dc:creator>Linda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 12:39:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have racked my brain trying to remember where I read or head the quote below but I do know it&#039;s been some years ago.  It has saved my sanity when trying to have &quot;discussions&quot; with certain people in my life.  Be it politics, religion, lowcarbing or any number of other subjects.  I know when I hit that brick wall and I recite this quote in my mind - and just move on.  Besides at 66 I need to keep my blood pressure on an even keel.  LOL

&quot;To those who believe - no proof is necessary.  To those who disbelieve - no amount of proof is sufficient.&quot;

&lt;em&gt;I think the quote is from St. Ignatius of Loyola.  It&#039;s a good one and right on the mark.&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have racked my brain trying to remember where I read or head the quote below but I do know it&#8217;s been some years ago.  It has saved my sanity when trying to have &#8220;discussions&#8221; with certain people in my life.  Be it politics, religion, lowcarbing or any number of other subjects.  I know when I hit that brick wall and I recite this quote in my mind &#8211; and just move on.  Besides at 66 I need to keep my blood pressure on an even keel.  LOL</p>
<p>&#8220;To those who believe &#8211; no proof is necessary.  To those who disbelieve &#8211; no amount of proof is sufficient.&#8221;</p>
<p><em>I think the quote is from St. Ignatius of Loyola.  It&#8217;s a good one and right on the mark.</em></p>
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		<title>By: Kim Huschka</title>
		<link>http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/book-reviews/mistakes-were-made-but-not-by-me/comment-page-3/#comment-116603</link>
		<dc:creator>Kim Huschka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 16:39:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great Post Dr. Mike!

I will definately be getting this book.  I totally understand the message it&#039;s conveying. After a bad divorce and 20+ years in a govt job (horrors!) I adopted a personal mantra.  &quot;The truth is what you believe it to be&quot;.  We all have our own truths, and through rationalization, ignorance, or just plain stubbornness, if we think it&#039;s the TRUTH then it is..period.  A hard and sometimes hurtful lesson to learn, but nonetheless enlightening and if you let it be, very freeing. Hopefully, we can learn from others and adjust our truths as needed, but don&#039;t count on it. After years of hurt and frustration trying to help others see the &quot;real truth&quot; about any number of things, I realized that I should spend those efforts making sure my truths were true for me using facts and resources that I trust (still a perception, but hey..)

Thanks for all your interesting posts.  You&#039;re willingness to explore many avenues of thinking as well as continue to learn all you can is an inspiration and a joy to read :)

-Kim

&lt;em&gt;I look on things a little differently.  I like to think of the real honest-to-God truth as being represented by a big circle.  Then I think of my own definition of the truth as a big circle.  The more these two circles overlap, the greater my sanity.  I also like to use that same representation as a measure of sanity as a function of our picture of ourselves verses other&#039;s pictures of us.  I think of a big circle representing a person&#039;s view of him/herself and another big circle as the rest of the world&#039;s view of that person.  The more overlap, the greater sanity in the individual so evaluated.

Cheers&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great Post Dr. Mike!</p>
<p>I will definately be getting this book.  I totally understand the message it&#8217;s conveying. After a bad divorce and 20+ years in a govt job (horrors!) I adopted a personal mantra.  &#8220;The truth is what you believe it to be&#8221;.  We all have our own truths, and through rationalization, ignorance, or just plain stubbornness, if we think it&#8217;s the TRUTH then it is..period.  A hard and sometimes hurtful lesson to learn, but nonetheless enlightening and if you let it be, very freeing. Hopefully, we can learn from others and adjust our truths as needed, but don&#8217;t count on it. After years of hurt and frustration trying to help others see the &#8220;real truth&#8221; about any number of things, I realized that I should spend those efforts making sure my truths were true for me using facts and resources that I trust (still a perception, but hey..)</p>
<p>Thanks for all your interesting posts.  You&#8217;re willingness to explore many avenues of thinking as well as continue to learn all you can is an inspiration and a joy to read <img src='http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>-Kim</p>
<p><em>I look on things a little differently.  I like to think of the real honest-to-God truth as being represented by a big circle.  Then I think of my own definition of the truth as a big circle.  The more these two circles overlap, the greater my sanity.  I also like to use that same representation as a measure of sanity as a function of our picture of ourselves verses other&#8217;s pictures of us.  I think of a big circle representing a person&#8217;s view of him/herself and another big circle as the rest of the world&#8217;s view of that person.  The more overlap, the greater sanity in the individual so evaluated.</p>
<p>Cheers</em></p>
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		<title>By: simon fellows</title>
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		<dc:creator>simon fellows</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2008 21:25:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sir Webmaster Whomever......were my comments received please ?

I sent two and neither register as  waiting for moderation.

Please advise.

&lt;em&gt;Comments received.&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sir Webmaster Whomever&#8230;&#8230;were my comments received please ?</p>
<p>I sent two and neither register as  waiting for moderation.</p>
<p>Please advise.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2008 16:32:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“What people don’t realize is that even if part of a fat has a beneficial mechanism, it cannot counterbalance the overall effect of fat in the diet,” he (Ornish) said.

That same syntax could be used to temper the &#039;resistant starch&#039; hoopla that&#039;s spreading now.

&lt;em&gt;Agreed.&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“What people don’t realize is that even if part of a fat has a beneficial mechanism, it cannot counterbalance the overall effect of fat in the diet,” he (Ornish) said.</p>
<p>That same syntax could be used to temper the &#8216;resistant starch&#8217; hoopla that&#8217;s spreading now.</p>
<p><em>Agreed.</em></p>
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		<title>By: simon fellows</title>
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		<dc:creator>simon fellows</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2008 16:20:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ahem...did i get erased or am i in suspension plse ?

&lt;em&gt;Nope, I&#039;ve just been traveling and had limited access to the computer.&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ahem&#8230;did i get erased or am i in suspension plse ?</p>
<p><em>Nope, I&#8217;ve just been traveling and had limited access to the computer.</em></p>
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		<title>By: Brian Cunningham</title>
		<link>http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/book-reviews/mistakes-were-made-but-not-by-me/comment-page-3/#comment-114356</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Cunningham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2008 04:10:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A Bear Stearns exec was quoted as saying (to the effect of) &quot;I never knew this much greed dominated Wall Street.&quot; Hello? This is a great example of just how totally clueless people are. 

I worked in a drug company and I can tell you my co-workers really believed they were helping people - even when the statistics showed otherwise. Massive cognitive dissonance. 

From Bear Stearns, to Drug Companies, to a President thinking he is saving the world by blowing it up, human nature is full of endless surprises!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A Bear Stearns exec was quoted as saying (to the effect of) &#8220;I never knew this much greed dominated Wall Street.&#8221; Hello? This is a great example of just how totally clueless people are. </p>
<p>I worked in a drug company and I can tell you my co-workers really believed they were helping people &#8211; even when the statistics showed otherwise. Massive cognitive dissonance. </p>
<p>From Bear Stearns, to Drug Companies, to a President thinking he is saving the world by blowing it up, human nature is full of endless surprises!</p>
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		<title>By: Simon Fellows</title>
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		<dc:creator>Simon Fellows</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2008 03:34:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People of the Forum Hola..Due to Library constraints  and genital cuffing ( and more seriously, slightly that is, me pledging not to buy harcovers anymore) i only ad Good Cals Bad etc for a week or whatever.

So i didn&#039;t read it all.
If Senor Taubes marshalls the evidence that
1 cutting cals doesnt work
2  upping he exercise doesn&#039;t work

Does he actually come to any suggestions aside from the low cal lifestyle ?

As i don&#039;t have a copy it dawned on me the other day i might  have missed massively if he drew other conclusions 

If anyone can edify me i&#039;d  be well chuffed.

Am at supachramp at yahoo dot com

And inadavce thanks so very much for yr kindness in asnwering.
A room in Vancouver await should you visit on hols..seriously.

Simon (Aloicious Fellows)

&lt;em&gt;Hey Simon--

The conclusion is that the scientist who have done most of the nutritional &#039;science&#039; over the past few decades, the ones who have gotten us to the state of confusion we&#039;re in, are a pretty sorry lot.  Since Taubes is neither a scientist nor a diet doctor he doesn&#039;t really come up with recommendations other than for a study or two that ought to be done to clarify things.  He is clearly an advocate for the low-carb diet based on the enormous amount of research that he has unearthed from decades back showing its efficacy.

Cheers--

MRE&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People of the Forum Hola..Due to Library constraints  and genital cuffing ( and more seriously, slightly that is, me pledging not to buy harcovers anymore) i only ad Good Cals Bad etc for a week or whatever.</p>
<p>So i didn&#8217;t read it all.<br />
If Senor Taubes marshalls the evidence that<br />
1 cutting cals doesnt work<br />
2  upping he exercise doesn&#8217;t work</p>
<p>Does he actually come to any suggestions aside from the low cal lifestyle ?</p>
<p>As i don&#8217;t have a copy it dawned on me the other day i might  have missed massively if he drew other conclusions </p>
<p>If anyone can edify me i&#8217;d  be well chuffed.</p>
<p>Am at supachramp at yahoo dot com</p>
<p>And inadavce thanks so very much for yr kindness in asnwering.<br />
A room in Vancouver await should you visit on hols..seriously.</p>
<p>Simon (Aloicious Fellows)</p>
<p><em>Hey Simon&#8211;</p>
<p>The conclusion is that the scientist who have done most of the nutritional &#8216;science&#8217; over the past few decades, the ones who have gotten us to the state of confusion we&#8217;re in, are a pretty sorry lot.  Since Taubes is neither a scientist nor a diet doctor he doesn&#8217;t really come up with recommendations other than for a study or two that ought to be done to clarify things.  He is clearly an advocate for the low-carb diet based on the enormous amount of research that he has unearthed from decades back showing its efficacy.</p>
<p>Cheers&#8211;</p>
<p>MRE</em></p>
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		<title>By: Steve Long</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Long</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 20:43:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As noted above, The NYT article quotes Ornish -- “&#039;What people don’t realize is that even if part of a fat has a beneficial mechanism, it cannot counterbalance the overall effect of fat in the diet&#039;, he said.&quot;

What of fish oil, and krill oil, then?  The words imply a zero-fat diet would be best.  Probably a sound bite, but the careless wording betrays the dissonance.

&lt;em&gt;Indeed!&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As noted above, The NYT article quotes Ornish &#8212; “&#8217;What people don’t realize is that even if part of a fat has a beneficial mechanism, it cannot counterbalance the overall effect of fat in the diet&#8217;, he said.&#8221;</p>
<p>What of fish oil, and krill oil, then?  The words imply a zero-fat diet would be best.  Probably a sound bite, but the careless wording betrays the dissonance.</p>
<p><em>Indeed!</em></p>
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		<title>By: Bruce Kleisner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bruce Kleisner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 06:32:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ornish: “We know that fats and cholesterol are not the whole story of heart disease ... But a single epidemiological study could overlook the things like positive social support systems or low stress that could even offset harmful dietary choices like pate or foie gras.”

The problem with Ornish&#039;s statement is that he has never isolated those effects from his own studies. When will he do a study comparing his diet to a low-carb diet with no other lifestyle interventions? No stress reduction, counseling, group support, meditation, exercise, smoking cessation, etc. He criticizes epidemiological studies for overlooking confounding factors, but then he conducts studies on living people and makes the same unscientific error. He puts all the blame for disease on fat, without even considering all the PUFAs and trans fats as being a causal factor in the modern epidemics of disease. So, he&#039;s a hypocrite, and he never worries about confounding variables in his own mult-intervention studies.

&lt;em&gt;I&#039;ve made the same observation many times.&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ornish: “We know that fats and cholesterol are not the whole story of heart disease &#8230; But a single epidemiological study could overlook the things like positive social support systems or low stress that could even offset harmful dietary choices like pate or foie gras.”</p>
<p>The problem with Ornish&#8217;s statement is that he has never isolated those effects from his own studies. When will he do a study comparing his diet to a low-carb diet with no other lifestyle interventions? No stress reduction, counseling, group support, meditation, exercise, smoking cessation, etc. He criticizes epidemiological studies for overlooking confounding factors, but then he conducts studies on living people and makes the same unscientific error. He puts all the blame for disease on fat, without even considering all the PUFAs and trans fats as being a causal factor in the modern epidemics of disease. So, he&#8217;s a hypocrite, and he never worries about confounding variables in his own mult-intervention studies.</p>
<p><em>I&#8217;ve made the same observation many times.</em></p>
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