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		<title>By: Eric</title>
		<link>http://www.proteinpower.com/drmd_blog/nutrition/lardy-lardy-when-will-they-learn/comment-page-1/#comment-28722</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 19:27:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your reasoning that palmitic acid can&#039;t be bad for you because there is so much in human milk, and that lard must be healthy do to a resemblance in composition to human milk is utterly unsound.

What is healthy for an infant for a few years can hardly be extrapolated to an adult life. It would also be extremely unnatural. 

I&#039;m not claiming lard is bad for you. Frankly the evidence either way looks pretty muddy to me, and while I don&#039;t trust the mainstream lipid theory, the data and thinking from the advocates of various alternative theories (such as those that advocate palm oil or lard) aren&#039;t any more convincing to me. In any case, it does not help the cause of de-vilifying lard by employing faulty logic to advocate it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your reasoning that palmitic acid can&#8217;t be bad for you because there is so much in human milk, and that lard must be healthy do to a resemblance in composition to human milk is utterly unsound.</p>
<p>What is healthy for an infant for a few years can hardly be extrapolated to an adult life. It would also be extremely unnatural. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not claiming lard is bad for you. Frankly the evidence either way looks pretty muddy to me, and while I don&#8217;t trust the mainstream lipid theory, the data and thinking from the advocates of various alternative theories (such as those that advocate palm oil or lard) aren&#8217;t any more convincing to me. In any case, it does not help the cause of de-vilifying lard by employing faulty logic to advocate it.</p>
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		<title>By: Hammad H.</title>
		<link>http://www.proteinpower.com/drmd_blog/nutrition/lardy-lardy-when-will-they-learn/comment-page-1/#comment-28152</link>
		<dc:creator>Hammad H.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Aug 2009 19:43:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are fully hydrogenated oils (given that, technically, they don&#039;t have much trans fat)just as unhealthy as the partially hydrogenated kind? Thanks in advance.

COMMENT from MD EADES:  A fully hydrogenated oil can&#039;t take on a &#039;trans&#039; configuration, which a partially hydrogenated oil will do, so yes it&#039;s better from a health standpoint.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are fully hydrogenated oils (given that, technically, they don&#8217;t have much trans fat)just as unhealthy as the partially hydrogenated kind? Thanks in advance.</p>
<p>COMMENT from MD EADES:  A fully hydrogenated oil can&#8217;t take on a &#8216;trans&#8217; configuration, which a partially hydrogenated oil will do, so yes it&#8217;s better from a health standpoint.</p>
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		<title>By: Drawbacks of a low-carb lifestyle &#124; Divine Mind</title>
		<link>http://www.proteinpower.com/drmd_blog/nutrition/lardy-lardy-when-will-they-learn/comment-page-1/#comment-24568</link>
		<dc:creator>Drawbacks of a low-carb lifestyle &#124; Divine Mind</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2009 18:05:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Lardy, Lardy - great post on the health benefits of lard by Dr. Mary Dan Eades (Protein Power)  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Lardy, Lardy &#8211; great post on the health benefits of lard by Dr. Mary Dan Eades (Protein Power)</p>
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		<title>By: Hammad H.</title>
		<link>http://www.proteinpower.com/drmd_blog/nutrition/lardy-lardy-when-will-they-learn/comment-page-1/#comment-21805</link>
		<dc:creator>Hammad H.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 03:24:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve noticed that sometimes food packages list 0.5 or more grams of trans fat, but don&#039;t list shortening or hydrogenated or partially hydrogenated oil under &quot;Ingredients.&quot; Does this mean that the trans fat content is of the naturally occurring type? In these cases, I&#039;ve often noticed &quot;hydrolyzed soy protein&quot; under &quot;Ingredients.&quot; Does that also contain trans fat like hydrogenated oils? Thanks in advance for any answer you can provide.

COMMENT from MD EADES:  I&#039;m not sure what it might be coming from, but it could be soybean oil, which is often a source of transfat even if it&#039;s not listed as &#039;partially hydrogenated&#039; and it could be that there is some portion of trans fat containing oil remaining in the hydrolyzed soy protein.  That&#039;s just a WAG, though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve noticed that sometimes food packages list 0.5 or more grams of trans fat, but don&#8217;t list shortening or hydrogenated or partially hydrogenated oil under &#8220;Ingredients.&#8221; Does this mean that the trans fat content is of the naturally occurring type? In these cases, I&#8217;ve often noticed &#8220;hydrolyzed soy protein&#8221; under &#8220;Ingredients.&#8221; Does that also contain trans fat like hydrogenated oils? Thanks in advance for any answer you can provide.</p>
<p>COMMENT from MD EADES:  I&#8217;m not sure what it might be coming from, but it could be soybean oil, which is often a source of transfat even if it&#8217;s not listed as &#8216;partially hydrogenated&#8217; and it could be that there is some portion of trans fat containing oil remaining in the hydrolyzed soy protein.  That&#8217;s just a WAG, though.</p>
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		<title>By: JLL</title>
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		<dc:creator>JLL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 17:30:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good post.

I wish I could get lard easier here in Finland, but like with most countries, saturated fat is still being looked upon with suspicion and vegetable fats are king. It&#039;s a shame.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good post.</p>
<p>I wish I could get lard easier here in Finland, but like with most countries, saturated fat is still being looked upon with suspicion and vegetable fats are king. It&#8217;s a shame.</p>
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		<title>By: Rachel Webb</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rachel Webb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 12:47:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dr. Eades,

Thank you for the excellent article.

Here is another organic lard source for you:
texasgrassfedbeef.com
The pigs are 100% grass fed too!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr. Eades,</p>
<p>Thank you for the excellent article.</p>
<p>Here is another organic lard source for you:<br />
texasgrassfedbeef.com<br />
The pigs are 100% grass fed too!</p>
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		<title>By: Lucy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lucy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 20:11:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Could you comment on the benefits of using a saturated fat like Lard for high temperature cooking (like frying) v. a monounsaturated fat like almond oil?

Some people seem to go by &quot;smoke point&quot; as the judge of what should be used for high temperature cooking, but does &quot;smoking&quot; really indicate any substantive or harmful change in the chemical composition of the oil/fat?  Does it relate to free radical creation (and is that even important?)

Thanks, Lucy

COMMENT from MD EADES:  I can&#039;t say that I&#039;ve ever used almond oil for frying.  The more stable the fat (saturated being more stable than monoun- or polyunsaturated) the better for high temperature frying.  So the best choices would be lard and beef tallow, as I understand it.  Peanut oil tolerates high temperatures pretty well, I think.  I use olive oil or a combo of olive oil and butter for lower temperature pan frying.  Certainly a component is the smoke point, because at that point the taste of the oil (and what&#039;s fried in it) changes.  I would assume, though I don&#039;t know for certain, that there would be higher generation of free radicals as the oil temp increases beyond its smoke point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Could you comment on the benefits of using a saturated fat like Lard for high temperature cooking (like frying) v. a monounsaturated fat like almond oil?</p>
<p>Some people seem to go by &#8220;smoke point&#8221; as the judge of what should be used for high temperature cooking, but does &#8220;smoking&#8221; really indicate any substantive or harmful change in the chemical composition of the oil/fat?  Does it relate to free radical creation (and is that even important?)</p>
<p>Thanks, Lucy</p>
<p>COMMENT from MD EADES:  I can&#8217;t say that I&#8217;ve ever used almond oil for frying.  The more stable the fat (saturated being more stable than monoun- or polyunsaturated) the better for high temperature frying.  So the best choices would be lard and beef tallow, as I understand it.  Peanut oil tolerates high temperatures pretty well, I think.  I use olive oil or a combo of olive oil and butter for lower temperature pan frying.  Certainly a component is the smoke point, because at that point the taste of the oil (and what&#8217;s fried in it) changes.  I would assume, though I don&#8217;t know for certain, that there would be higher generation of free radicals as the oil temp increases beyond its smoke point.</p>
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		<title>By: Rachel Webb</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rachel Webb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Nov 2008 05:41:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dr. Eades,

Thank you for the excellent article.

Here is another organic lard source for you:
http://texasgrassfedbeef.com/  The pigs are 100% grass fed too!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr. Eades,</p>
<p>Thank you for the excellent article.</p>
<p>Here is another organic lard source for you:<br />
<a href="http://texasgrassfedbeef.com/" rel="nofollow">http://texasgrassfedbeef.com/</a>  The pigs are 100% grass fed too!</p>
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		<title>By: mjsteffe;</title>
		<link>http://www.proteinpower.com/drmd_blog/nutrition/lardy-lardy-when-will-they-learn/comment-page-1/#comment-18675</link>
		<dc:creator>mjsteffe;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 21:13:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The person who wrote this is even more ignorant of chemistry and fats than the person being criticized.  The terms &quot;cis&quot; and &quot;trans&quot; describe the positioning of H atoms at a C to C double bond (an unsataurated site) either on the same side of the double bond or the opposite sides of the double bond.   So if a carbon bonding site has &quot;a full complement of hyddrogens&quot; it is a saturated site, not an unsaturated site, and the terms &quot;cis&quot; does not describe it.  If you &quot;force-feed&quot; hydrogen to the double bonds you have a saturated site and so there cannot be a &quot;trans&quot; configuration.  &quot;Alittle bit of hydrogen added&quot;.......does indeed &quot;increase shelf life of the oil&quot; but you have saturated fat, not unsaturated with a trans configuration.  The trans configuration results when oils are  PARTIALLY hydrogenated and some of the cis unsaturated sites rearrange to trans configurations.

COMMENT from MD EADES:  Thank you for your input. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The person who wrote this is even more ignorant of chemistry and fats than the person being criticized.  The terms &#8220;cis&#8221; and &#8220;trans&#8221; describe the positioning of H atoms at a C to C double bond (an unsataurated site) either on the same side of the double bond or the opposite sides of the double bond.   So if a carbon bonding site has &#8220;a full complement of hyddrogens&#8221; it is a saturated site, not an unsaturated site, and the terms &#8220;cis&#8221; does not describe it.  If you &#8220;force-feed&#8221; hydrogen to the double bonds you have a saturated site and so there cannot be a &#8220;trans&#8221; configuration.  &#8220;Alittle bit of hydrogen added&#8221;&#8230;&#8230;.does indeed &#8220;increase shelf life of the oil&#8221; but you have saturated fat, not unsaturated with a trans configuration.  The trans configuration results when oils are  PARTIALLY hydrogenated and some of the cis unsaturated sites rearrange to trans configurations.</p>
<p>COMMENT from MD EADES:  Thank you for your input.</p>
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		<title>By: Jimmy Moore</title>
		<link>http://www.proteinpower.com/drmd_blog/nutrition/lardy-lardy-when-will-they-learn/comment-page-1/#comment-18282</link>
		<dc:creator>Jimmy Moore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Nov 2008 18:38:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Dr. Mary Dan,

You should write a cookbook devoted exclusively to your best recipes using LARD!  Don&#039;t you know that would get the low-fatties all in a tizzy!  Great column.  :)  Jimmy Moore

COMMENT from MD EADES:  Wouldn&#039;t it?  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Dr. Mary Dan,</p>
<p>You should write a cookbook devoted exclusively to your best recipes using LARD!  Don&#8217;t you know that would get the low-fatties all in a tizzy!  Great column.  <img src='http://www.proteinpower.com/drmd_blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />   Jimmy Moore</p>
<p>COMMENT from MD EADES:  Wouldn&#8217;t it?</p>
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